2025 Massillon Tigers

TigerBeast78 said:
Nope according to Oil Filter the other schools play with more integrity than Massillon kids because those kids play for the love of the game and our kids just play for the glory. "They have that over us"
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Right none of those kids want to win the game or have any athletic glory. It’s just an activity for them to do a couple hours each week, most certainly not a lifestyle at all 🙄
Those programs don’t have practices in the summer or maybe some 7v7’s and most certainly don’t have practice 5-6 days a week because it’s just an activity not a lifestyle. 😂
So out of touch with reality….
 
TigerBeast78 said:
Again here we go 😂 😂 😂 sorry your 💯 percent wrong. I understand football quite well prolly forgot more than you will know. I also have watched many teams all over the state and lived in southern Ohio ,West Virginia,and California and watched teams there too and no that football is not average compared to what I've seen in Ohio or any other state I've seen games. MAYBE... maybe they are close to average to some other teams in D6 or D7 but not the bigger Divsions. The worst team that Massillon plays is prolly Glenoak and they would hang 100 on PAC schools.You haven't seen much football if you think D6 PAC teams like Tuslaw, and Fairless are close to average level of play with teams all over the state. Sh#t my 8th grade junior high team which was two Private schools combined, one from Canton and one from Massillon scrimmaged Tuslaw JV and my Junior high team won something like 60-0 funny thing is I didn't even play for the good schools LA or Longfellow.
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If you want to start throwing stats back that far, and you appear to know your history, back when the class of to be Sr's at Tuslaw were in 6th grade I believe it was, we brought a team of "all Tuslaw kids" and hung 35 - 0 on you at PB stadium in the driving rain. I would typically never go there, but since you went as far back as jr. high this conversation is more than fair game and of equal comparison. Course those rosters were before all the transfers happened from both sides, etc. and said Tuslaw class once at around 30-35 kids is now down to 15, I believe. Oh yeah, and before you or anyone else says any kids we lost are nobody's, two of them are contributors on your squad, one is a solid lineman at Perry, one was all-state for Dalton, one all league in the apparently sub-par PAC, and those are just the quick stats off the top of my head.

Look, I get it ya'll are dominant and, on another level, but there is good football and good kids playing in all divisions and all levels, and the transfers in and out of each prove that. Sure, if we retained everyone I'm talking about and scrimmaged/played you guys present time, it would be ugly but lets compare apples to apples with kids in the district grown in the district and stay in the district and might be a different conversation. I cannot speak in detail about the rest of the PAC, but the sad reality of Tuslaw's situation specifically struggles in football in recent years is a high number lost to transfer or other reasons, paired with terrible administration support, specifically a horrible AD for almost 25 years, bad coaching = recipe for disaster. Landing Broc Dial last year was/is a HUGE step in the right direction that will not happen overnight but will happen.
 
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Playoffs??? said:
If you want to start throwing stats back that far, and you appear to know your history, back when the class of to be Sr's at Tuslaw were in 6th grade I believe it was, we brought a team of "all Tuslaw kids" and hung 35 - 0 on you at PB stadium in the driving rain. I would typically never go there, but since you went as far back as jr. high this conversation is more than fair game and of equal comparison. Course those rosters were before all the transfers happened from both sides, etc. and said Tuslaw class once at around 30-35 kids is now down to 15, I believe. Oh yeah, and before you or anyone else says any kids we lost are nobody's, two of them are contributors on your squad, one is a solid lineman at Perry, one was all-state for Dalton, one all league in the apparently sub-par PAC, and those are just the quick stats off the top of my head.

Look, I get it ya'll are dominant and, on another level, but there is good football and good kids playing in all divisions and all levels, and the transfers in and out of each prove that. Sure, if we retained everyone I'm talking about and scrimmaged/played you guys present time, it would be ugly but lets compare apples to apples with kids in the district grown in the district and stay in the district and might be a different conversation. I cannot speak in detail about the rest of the PAC, but the sad reality of Tuslaw's situation specifically struggles in football in recent years is a high number lost to transfer or other reasons, paired with terrible administration support, specifically a horrible AD for almost 25 years, bad coaching = recipe for disaster. Landing Broc Dial last year was/is a HUGE step in the right direction that will not happen overnight but will happen.
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So you you won 35-0 with 6 graders vs 6th graders ? Nice 😂 I'm talking a group of 7th and 8th graders from a private school (the worst junior high in Massillon athletic wise) beating a HIGHSCHOOL JV team 60-0. I said JV in my post not JN. As in my JUNIOR HIGH vs Tuslaw JUNIOR VARSITY. 7&8 graders beating the 10th and 11th graders. Big difference. Again sorry my post offended you just my insight when I watched a PAC game. It was very boring compared to what im use to seeing because neither team moved the ball well and it wasn't because of stellar defense on either side. Also I'm sure the PAC improved by adding Orville and Manchester. They weren't members back in the day
 
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TigerBeast78 said:
So you you won 35-0 with 6 graders vs 6th graders ? Nice 😂 I'm talking a group of 7th and 8th graders from a private school (the worst junior high in Massillon athletic wise) beating a HIGHSCHOOL JV team 60-0. I said JV in my post not JN. As in my JUNIOR HIGH vs Tuslaw JUNIOR VARSITY. 7&8 graders beating the 10th and 11th graders. Big difference
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Well, I guess I can't be totally sure, we didn't check birth certificates or require an id check like pop warner. I get what you're saying, and I think I truly did mis-read that part of your post and thought you said HS team, not JV specifically, my bad. Can the national Champ in NCAA D1 beat the worst team in the NFL? That's always a fun debate.

There are some bad JV teams out there especially small schools, which you make a great point that you probably already know, but many don't think about or realize. The main difference between big/small school, D1/2 and everyone else, regardless the sport is the waters are just deeper at the larger schools. The pool is bigger, the talent pool is bigger, not stating anything new there, but I do think that gets lost sometimes, not saying you specifically, but lot of haters out there that think it's D1 or nothing in any sport, not just football.

I'm a wrestling guy too so I'll use a wrestling example. I wish OHSAA would ditch the divisions in wrestling and crown the best of the best. Would never happen because it's a money grab like 90% of what OHSAA does as you know, but other states do it, CA, NJ, PA to name a few. Not discounting any state titles, whether in 1, 2 or 3 as only three for wrestling. Point here is throughout the year, regardless of division the top kids in all divisions are competitive, just not as many of them at the smaller schools. That was my more overall point I was getting at, well that and small schools are capable of being competitive with large schools when the numbers are there.
 
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Playoffs??? said:
Well, I guess I can't be totally sure, we didn't check birth certificates or require an id check like pop warner. I get what you're saying, and I think I truly did mis-read that part of your post and thought you said HS team, not JV specifically, my bad. Can the national Champ in NCAA D1 beat the worst team in the NFL? That's always a fun debate.

There are some bad JV teams out there especially small schools, which you make a great point that you probably already know, but many don't think about or realize. The main difference between big/small school, D1/2 and everyone else, regardless the sport is the waters are just deeper at the larger schools. The pool is bigger, the talent pool is bigger, not stating anything new there, but I do think that gets lost sometimes, not saying you specifically, but lot of haters out there that think it's D1 or nothing in any sport, not just football.

I'm a wrestling guy too so I'll use a wrestling example. I wish OHSAA would ditch the divisions in wrestling and crown the best of the best. Would never happen because it's a money grab like 90% of what OHSAA does as you know, but other states do it, CA, NJ, PA to name a few. Not discounting any state titles, whether in 1, 2 or 3 as only three for wrestling. Point here is throughout the year, regardless of division the top kids in all divisions are competitive, just not as many of them at the smaller schools. That was my more overall point I was getting at, well that and small schools are capable of being competitive with large schools when the numbers are there.
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Right but the reason they are small schools is because of the numbers. That's what makes them a small school. I agree wrestling is one vs one and teams are not made up of a ton of players.Divsions are stupid and nothing more than a money grab for that sport.
 
Playoffs??? said:
Well, I guess I can't be totally sure, we didn't check birth certificates or require an id check like pop warner. I get what you're saying, and I think I truly did mis-read that part of your post and thought you said HS team, not JV specifically, my bad. Can the national Champ in NCAA D1 beat the worst team in the NFL? That's always a fun debate.

There are some bad JV teams out there especially small schools, which you make a great point that you probably already know, but many don't think about or realize. The main difference between big/small school, D1/2 and everyone else, regardless the sport is the waters are just deeper at the larger schools. The pool is bigger, the talent pool is bigger, not stating anything new there, but I do think that gets lost sometimes, not saying you specifically, but lot of haters out there that think it's D1 or nothing in any sport, not just football.

I'm a wrestling guy too so I'll use a wrestling example. I wish OHSAA would ditch the divisions in wrestling and crown the best of the best. Would never happen because it's a money grab like 90% of what OHSAA does as you know, but other states do it, CA, NJ, PA to name a few. Not discounting any state titles, whether in 1, 2 or 3 as only three for wrestling. Point here is throughout the year, regardless of division the top kids in all divisions are competitive, just not as many of them at the smaller schools. That was my more overall point I was getting at, well that and small schools are capable of being competitive with large schools when the numbers are there.
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Since I butted my way in on your thread, genuine question and maybe a sore subject, but going to ask. What ever happened to OTA? I heard some things, none of it great, my youngest played a year and was great for his development, but what gives? I hate to mention Knights up north, but I gotta think someone needs to get something like that going again ala Akron Armour. Maybe it's not needed, and kids are able to get on travel teams or school teams or enough for the young Tigers....
 
Playoffs??? said:
Since I butted my way in on your thread, genuine question and maybe a sore subject, but going to ask. What ever happened to OTA? I heard some things, none of it great, my youngest played a year and was great for his development, but what gives? I hate to mention Knights up north, but I gotta think someone needs to get something like that going again ala Akron Armour. Maybe it's not needed, and kids are able to get on travel teams or school teams or enough for the young Tigers....
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Yes they got rid of the OTA because of some problem but from what I hear have a new youth system in place
 
Off topic here, but someone asked the question of the best Win % in HSFB.
Impressive % for us considering the number of games played (despite us obviously being #1 in wins). We have about 30 years of games more than Wyoming and a whole darn lot more than Moeller.

Here are the numbers
Data for the top 110 winners in the state—


Top 10 as of today


#1 .762 - Cincinnati Wyoming, 775-225-48 (1931-2024)


#2 .760 - Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller, 533-168-2 (1963-2024)


#3 .753 - Massillon, 959-302-36 (1891-2024)


#4 .736 - Wheelersburg, 570-203-6 (1956-2024)


#5 .731 - Newark Catholic, 560-205-4 (1958-2024)


#6 .725 - Maria Stein Marion Local, 574-216-7 (1955-2024)


#7 .723 - Upper Arlington, 694-261-18 (1926-2024)


#8 .717 - Steubenville, 874-335-34 (1900-2024)


#9 .709 - Kettering Archbishop Alter, 480-197-0 (1964-2024)


#10 .707 - Mogadore, 729-295-22 (1916-2024)





Interesting look back at 2016


Top 4:


#1 Moeller @79.4% (476 wins; 601 games played)


#2 Newark Catholic @76.8% (500 wins; 662 total games)


#3 Cincinnati Wyoming @75.6% (664 wins; 910 games)


#4 Massillon Tigers @74.3% (853 wins; 1172 games)
 
Seth 🐅🏈 said:
The youth pipeline has been the key to our continued success since the Paul Brown era (he started our system). To keep that spirit alive we must have solid programs… glad Coach Moore realizes that as well.
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That’s the key right there any coach that gets this concept and truly supports it will have a winning program and culture for as long as he wants.
 
Playoffs??? said:
That’s the key right there any coach that gets this concept and truly supports it will have a winning program and culture for as long as he wants.
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I agree. A big key for a public school is to build the program from the youth on up through middle/ junior high school on up to high school. Small school Mogadore has done this for many years. A private school is different as they are bringing kids in from different areas every year. Now also like college you have a lot of transfers moving around every year.
 
petepastromi said:
I agree. A big key for a public school is to build the program from the youth on up through middle/ junior high school on up to high school. Small school Mogadore has done this for many years. A private school is different as they are bringing kids in from different areas every year. Now also like college you have a lot of transfers moving around every year.
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Overused word at all levels but culture matters
 
Playoffs??? said:
Overused word at all levels but culture matters
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I’ll also say this, jr high years are crucial. Crucial from the standpoint of developing the kids you have but also to not lose them to transfer thinking the grass is greener (and sometimes it is) on the other side.

Show me any program in junior high that just feeds the ball to the one or two kids that hit puberty first and do nothing else and I’ll show you a failed or failing high school program
 
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As far as PAC football goes, I do recant some of my boring football drivel.

How many Tiger fans were blessed to watch Poochie play at South a few years ago? ... that kid elevated his entire team. They ran into the Glenville Buzzsaw, but they went toe to toe with them for much of that game.

With PAC football, it does come down to the teams who have kids with special talent who make it exciting. Usually one team of the conference has a special group each season. Last year, Manchester was it... and it's probably true for this season too.
 
Playoffs??? said:
That’s the key right there any coach that gets this concept and truly supports it will have a winning program and culture for as long as he wants.
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When a high school program is struggling my first question is how is the youth program. Varsity coach should at least know and have a line of communication with all of his coaches from 6th grade up IMO. I was shocked/horrified when I found out there are middle schools with different playbooks/terminology than the high school they feed into
 
NEOfan said:
When a high school program is struggling my first question is how is the youth program. Varsity coach should at least know and have a line of communication with all of his coaches from 6th grade up IMO. I was shocked/horrified when I found out there are middle schools with different playbooks/terminology than the high school they feed into
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That is very true. Someone told me a long time ago that Mogadore high school coaches are very involved with the youth and middle school/ junior high programs to the point that the youth and middle school programs run the same offense and defense the high school team does. Mogadore has won 3 state championships in the smaller school divisions and have been a perennial playoff team and contender since the playoffs started in 1972.
 
perry1480 said:
As far as PAC football goes, I do recant some of my boring football drivel.

How many Tiger fans were blessed to watch Poochie play at South a few years ago? ... that kid elevated his entire team. They ran into the Glenville Buzzsaw, but they went toe to toe with them for much of that game.

With PAC football, it does come down to the teams who have kids with special talent who make it exciting. Usually one team of the conference has a special group each season. Last year, Manchester was it... and it's probably true for this season too.
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When I was talking about boring I said I seen a PAC game when I was in 8th grade lol that was 30+ years ago. Canton South, Manchester,and Orville weren't even in the PAC then. I think I watched Tuslaw vs Triway or Tuslaw vs CVCA.
 
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