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OCEagle

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Figured I'd set this thread up now for the Championships coming up this week. Also to note this bombshell:

Just got a feed from FloWrestling indicating they (not Flo) have re-drawn the seeds for 92Kg (203lbs) and now Taylor will wrestle Sadlaev in the first round on Wednesday morning. Action set to start on Flo at 5:30am.

Who knows if it stays this way, but you would think if they did not have criteria for a top ranking at this weight, they would have at least tried to put them in brackets at the top and the other in the bottom.

Just going off what was sent out by Flo. Edit: Decided to check to see what was available from a different source and sure enough, they are scheduled to wrestle in the opening round with winner going to 1/8ths round (or round of 16)

Crazy.
 
 
Realizing Yankee will come up with a more comprehensive view of the tourney than I am capable of providing, here are some other opening round matches for the US as a teaser of what will come later:

61 kg Vito Arujau (#2 seed) opens with a bye then gets winner of India (Udit) vs. Canada (Merlo)
70 kg James Green gets Canadian Biabani in first round. Know nothing about him.
79 kg Burroughs gets the winner of Romanian Kapraev or Frances Z. Khadjiev 33 wrestlers here. Iranian grabs top seed - Nokhodilarim.

Looked briefly at the women's brackets and saw that Macey Kilty - who just finished second in the U23 championships at 62kg will be the #1 seed at 65Kg for this tourney. She lost to Bondar of Ukraine in the U23 by a 12-3 score. Bondar is also in the Senior World Championships and is a #7 seed.

at 72Kg Kylie Welker is also in the Senior World Championships after winning gold in the U23. Has an opening round qualifying match vs. Canadian Nickel. Looks like they decided to have the US vs. Canada often in the opening rounds. Can't imagine the statistical probabilities of that occurring. Winner slots into where the #10 seed would be - facing the #7. Winner then gets the #2 seed assuming she gets through the first round.
 
OCEagle said:
Figured I'd set this thread up now for the Championships coming up this week. Also to note this bombshell:

Just got a feed from FloWrestling indicating they (not Flo) have re-drawn the seeds for 92Kg (203lbs) and now Taylor will wrestle Sadlaev in the first round on Wednesday morning. Action set to start on Flo at 5:30am.

Who knows if it stays this way, but you would think if they did not have criteria for a top ranking at this weight, they would have at least tried to put them in brackets at the top and the other in the bottom.

Just going off what was sent out by Flo. Edit: Decided to check to see what was available from a different source and sure enough, they are scheduled to wrestle in the opening round with winner going to 1/8ths round (or round of 16)

Crazy.
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Lots of good stuff in these brackets. Believe they redrew the brackets because they incorrectly did seeding (like Vito wasn't seeded in the original bracket). Biggest R1 match looks like Ono v Uguev at 61kg. Uguev was the 2021 Olympic champ, Ono teched Marcus Blaze at U20s this year. At 70kg, Biabani was actually a 2016 U20 world champ for Iran but transferred to Canada earlier this year. Khadjiev is a U20 world champ as well back in 2014, but I think is a bit past his prime (which you could say about Burroughs as well I guess). And I like a bunch of guys at 92kg, but DT v Sadulaev obviously the biggest draw. Reminds me of the Olympic 97kg bracket this year, since one of DT/Sadulaev/Ghasempour can't medal (like Snyder/Azarpira/Tazhudinov).
 
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At 92kg how do you have arguably the two best in the first match. What was the seeding criteria?
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International seeding has everything to do with previous tournament finishes at that weight. I don't think either wrestler had any seeding points because they wrestle at 86/97kg. It's not like Ironman or Super 32- there's not a seeding committee.
 
Yankeefan33 said:
Lots of good stuff in these brackets. Believe they redrew the brackets because they incorrectly did seeding (like Vito wasn't seeded in the original bracket). Biggest R1 match looks like Ono v Uguev at 61kg. Uguev was the 2021 Olympic champ, Ono teched Marcus Blaze at U20s this year. At 70kg, Biabani was actually a 2016 U20 world champ for Iran but transferred to Canada earlier this year. Khadjiev is a U20 world champ as well back in 2014, but I think is a bit past his prime (which you could say about Burroughs as well I guess). And I like a bunch of guys at 92kg, but DT v Sadulaev obviously the biggest draw. Reminds me of the Olympic 97kg bracket this year, since one of DT/Sadulaev/Ghasempour can't medal (like Snyder/Azarpira/Tazhudinov).
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Slight correction on the Ono - Blaze match at U20. Ono beat Blaze by a 7-2 score.
 
Yankeefan33 said:
International seeding has everything to do with previous tournament finishes at that weight. I don't think either wrestler had any seeding points because they wrestle at 86/97kg. It's not like Ironman or Super 32- there's not a seeding committee.
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I believe you are correct on that - at least that is what I had read elsewhere on Flo. Even still, you would think the organizers would have made up some rule to keep this match up from occurring in the first round. Its not like they haven't done other strange things in years gone by...

Something else to keep in mind is that Taylor will turn 34 on 12/5/24 and Sadlaev turned 28 in May of this year. Men typically peak physically at around age 27. If Taylor can win this match - it would be relatively amazing. The one thing presumably in Taylor's favor is that Sadlaev has to cut to 92kg (theoretically - so does Taylor). To my knowledge, Sadlaev hasn't been there in quite some time. May or may not be an issue. We shall see soon enough.
 
50 years ago I would've agreed that men generally peak physically around age 27... Today, however, especially in sports like wrestling, where strength, nutrition & conditioning have all greatly benefited from modern research, as well as wrestlers now training year round, as opposed to more seasonal, I would argue that 29 or 30 is closer to the peak. At 34, Taylor is definitely pushing the envelope, but he is/has always been at the forefront of these criteria. That said, it might actually be to his advantage to get his toughest match right away, while he's at his freshest.
I can tell you that in the strength sports like powerlifting, lumberjacking, golf long-driving, home-run derby, etc., guys tend to do better even into their late 30's. What gets them are injuries, not failing strength. Endurance though, tends to fade much faster than strength. Dave Schultz said it was loss of flexibility he noticed the most after 30. In contrast, Sadulaev should be right smack in the middle of his best possible condition at age 28. Cutting a little more weight than usual might actually help him be even a little quicker than normal.
 
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OCEagle said:
I believe you are correct on that - at least that is what I had read elsewhere on Flo. Even still, you would think the organizers would have made up some rule to keep this match up from occurring in the first round. Its not like they haven't done other strange things in years gone by...

Something else to keep in mind is that Taylor will turn 34 on 12/5/24 and Sadlaev turned 28 in May of this year. Men typically peak physically at around age 27. If Taylor can win this match - it would be relatively amazing. The one thing presumably in Taylor's favor is that Sadlaev has to cut to 92kg (theoretically - so does Taylor). To my knowledge, Sadlaev hasn't been there in quite some time. May or may not be an issue. We shall see soon enough.
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There has long been rumors that Sadulaev’s actual age is a couple years older. Which would make sense with him going straight from winning the Cadet Worlds to the senior level. He wasn’t a cadet in actuality, he was 18/19 when he won his 2 cadet titles. Now he’d still be quite a bit younger than Taylor but the gap would be closer.

If we see the 100% healthy and on top of his game Sadulaev I’ll take him over Taylor, Taz or anyone else on planet Earth. But he sure wasn’t that the last time we saw him so I guess we’ll see. I’ll be rooting hard for Taylor as I always have since he was in about the 6th grade. Still amazing to me a high school junior who wrestled 112 lbs is at 92 Kilos internationally.
 
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50 years ago I would've agreed that men generally peak physically around age 27... Today, however, especially in sports like wrestling, where strength, nutrition & conditioning have all greatly benefited from modern research, as well as wrestlers now training year round, as opposed to more seasonal, I would argue that 29 or 30 is closer to the peak. At 34, Taylor is definitely pushing the envelope, but he is/has always been at the forefront of these criteria. That said, it might actually be to his advantage to get his toughest match right away, while he's at his freshest.
I can tell you that in the strength sports like powerlifting, lumberjacking, golf long-driving, home-run derby, etc., guys tend to do better even into their late 30's. What gets them are injuries, not failing strength. Endurance though, tends to fade much faster than strength. Dave Schultz said it was loss of flexibility he noticed the most after 30. In contrast, Sadulaev should be right smack in the middle of his best possible condition at age 28. Cutting a little more weight than usual might actually help him be even a little quicker than normal.
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27 is the median age. Men will peak at various times for various reasons. Science says men will peak physically in strength between the ages of 20-35. Examples of some empirical evidence:
The average age of male weightlifters at the Olympics is around 26 years old:
  • Median peak age: The median peak age for men is 26.0 years.
  • Mean age of Olympic weightlifters: The average age of Olympic weightlifters is 25.8 years
  • Peak age in weightlifting: The peak age for weightlifters is 26 years, while the peak age for powerlifters is 35 years.
 
BTW - Welker just made quick work of her Canadian opponent in the first round. It was 8-0 after a take down and 2 turns followed by another take down and working on a turn. Had to do something else and when I came back, it was over. Pretty sure it was a 1st period tech.
 
US got 1 win in the opening rounds of GR for 4 weight classes wrestled so far with Ben Peak beating an Iranian by an 11-3 score, and then losing 9-0 in his next match to a Croatian - who then went on to lose his next match 9-0 - so Peak is out of contention for repechage. All 4 US wrestlers have been eliminated.
 
Jacarra Winchester lost her opening match 2-1 to India's Mansi. Missed it and will watch the replay soon to see how it went.

Kilty won her 1st match via Forfeit according to what I'm seeing in the Brackets on FloArena. Replay video showed nothing and was only 18 seconds long. Apparently the Mexican wrestler did not show up to the mat - may have not made weight. Don't know.

Confirmed that Welker did win on tech fall with 3:44 left 10-0
 
In the Winchester match vs. Mansi, not a lot of action as you can imagine from the score. Mansi was put on the clock at around 4:20 on the clock (time to go) and no points scored - so it was 1-0 Winchester and that was the score at the break.

Winchester went on the clock with 2:25 to go (ref wanted to get that out of the way early it appears) No scoring so it was 1-1 with 1:55 left

Freaking ref hits Winchester with another passivity call and she goes on the clock again with 1:20 left. All caused from Mansi getting a 2 on 1 and Winchester fighting to get out of it while circling the mat. For that, she was hit with passivity just :35 seconds after the first one ended and created the 1-1 tie. And no scoring in the 2nd passivity, so Mansi goes up 2-1

And that is how it ended. I'll leave the justifiable bitching about the ref to myself.
 
Villaescusa goes next at 55kg vs. Yakhyarova of Kaz. - #5 seed.

Villaescusa scores first with a TD. 2-0 after just over a minute.

Another TD at around 4:30 4-0

And a turn 6-0

Damn - a pin with 4:15 left. Villaescusa wins a fast one.

I'd have to say the eye test at the start of the match went heavily in favor of Villaescusa. Yakhyarova looked short and almost pudgy for someone at 55kg. Guess I shouldn't have believed the #5 seeding was meaningful - assuming the 5 next to her name in the bracket was in fact a seeding number and not just where a 5 seed would typically be shown in the bracket.

Will get the wrestler from Turkey in her next match - a 5-2 winner over Poland. Both wrestlers looked good in that match. (final score changed to 6-2 on a lost challenge by Poland at the end of match)
 
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Kylie Welker up now on Mat B. vs LaCarpentier of France. Winner will go against what I believe is the #2 seed from China (assuming she wins her match).

LeCarpentier put on the clock first. No scoring 1-0 Welker. with 4:00 left. LaCarpentier shorter and stockier than Welker. Welker looks to be very cautious throughout the match so far. She gets her first passivity warning at 3:08. First period ends 1-0 Welker

And Carpentier goes on the clock again with 2:30 left in match. No scoring. 2-0 Welker

Welker now starting to pick up the pace. And just like that - back to little movement or action by either. Expect Welker will go on the clock soon.

0:50 left. 2-0 still the score. Under :30 now - so no clock will show up for Welker.

LaCarpentier tries a shot on Welker and it fails with Welker countering for a TD. It ends at 4-0 for Welker. Moving on.
 
Kilty up after current match underway on Mat B vs. Zelenykh of Romania who looked good in a 11-0 tech fall over Manalova of Kaz. Similar build to Kilty - may be slightly taller and thinner. Her match was 1-0 at the break, then hit a quick TD and a turn to go up 5-0 just 20 seconds into the second period. Then got a TD to back for 4 to make it 9-0 and another turn off that and it ended with 1:26 left

Mansi won her next match 3-0 to keep Winchester alive for possible repechage. Seems to capable of winning by doing as little as possible.

Match underway. Kilty establishes she is going to try to control the center of the mat. Passivity warning to Romanian with 4:47 left. But she forces Kilty off the mat and scores 1-0.

Kilty gets a turn from neutral postion on the mat. 2-1.

And Flo freezes up - no feed...

Comes back on and it is still 2-1 on the restart after the break.

Kilty staying centered in the middle of the mat.

And a big move by the Romanian aided by a mistake by Kilty. Was taken off the mat and Kilty tried to fight it. Gets taken to her back for a 4 pointer 5-2. And now Kilty is taken feet to back again. 9-4. :22 left.

Once again Flo freezes up.

Missed a point before the video came back on. 10-4 Showing :15 left. Challenge going on with last scoring of 1 point on push out that could have gone either way on who was out first. Challenge fails and it is 11-4 Ends that way.
 
Winchester and Kilty now have to wait for repechage opportunities.

And Manisha gets pinned by Chinese wrestler ending Winchester's bid for repechage. Was up 1-0, then got back exposed to go down 2-1 and eventually pinned. May have been a TD for the 2 points - not sure.


Villaescusa out on the mat vs. Suleyman of Turkey

Villaescusa scores a TD at 5:02 to go up 2-0. Looking good so far.

Called that right. Gets a TD feet to back 6-0

And another turn 8-0 with 3:35 left. Almost ended it but 8-0 with 3:09 left.

Goes to the break up 8-0.
 
Back from the break. Suleyman tries an arm spin. Doesn't work. Wait, they are saying it did. Need to see the replay. Gets 2 points. Villaescusa gets a reversal for 1 point. 9-2 1:36 left.

Damn gets that arm spin to work again. 9-4. Followed by a TD by Villaescusa and it ends at 11-4.
 
Welker vs. Jiang of China underway. Jiang with muscular quads. Looks like she doesn't miss leg day at the gym

Goes on the clock first and WElker ends up with the point 1-0

And then Jiang immediately gets a TD and what should be a back exposure as well. only 2 points awarded??? 2-1 Jiang. I don't get it. I would have it at 4-1, but not complaining. Goes to the break at 2-1. I must have missed why no back points were awarded because it was not challenged by the Chinese corner. Watched a quick replay and still don't understand the scoring awarded. May be because Welker initiated the roll that exposed her back vs. Jiang turning her to her back.

Now down to 1:07 left and still 2-1

And just as I type that, Welker hunts Jiang down and takes her off the mat and to her back. They award 4 points, but I think it will be knocked down to 1 on the challenge. Went off the mat first, then taken to her back is my observation. We'll see how it is scored.

I was right. Only 1 point awarded. Score changed from 5-2 to 2-2. Jiang still has criteria off the TD.

Now they changed the score to 3-2 Welker on the scoreboard as they re-start action. Must have allowed a TD off the mat, but not back points. 0:57 left.

Then with 0:49 left, Welker does almost the exact same thing, and when Jiang tries to fight the push out off the mat to make it 4-2, Welker takes her feet to back at the edge of the mat to make it 7-2.

Welker keeps working and at 0:30 left, secures the fall to win it and advance to semis.

Great match for Welker.
 
I'm still confused on the scoring on the Welker match. When it was 2-1 Jiang up, Welker had secured a tight body lock on Jiang and took her off the mat and immediately to her back. Seems to me there were only 2 options available, 4 points for the feet to back - or, 1 point for the push out with the TD occurring after they were both off the mat. Instead, it appears they gave Welker a TD. Might be I don't know the rules on feet to back as you go off the mat. I'll have to watch it again.

So we have 2 into the semis later today. Winchester is out. Kilty needs the Romanian to win in the semis vs. AIN to get into the repechage.

Watched the replay a few times and it looks like what happened is that when Welker took her off the mat and to her back, Jiang landed on her butt first while off the mat - so I think the ruling is that there were not back points. Once she landed off the mat, action would stop there and she only exposed her back after rolling back further while off the mat. Action would have stopped once she "sat down" off the mat. That's the best I can come up with and it makes sense to me now.
 
woke up late and turned on Flo just as they are announcing Taylor and he runs out onto the mat. 6:00 am on the nose.
 
Sadulaev gets the first takedown. He looks too strong for Taylor to handle is my assessment after the first minute. Also quick. Taylor had a leg early and could not score. 2-0

Sadulaev with another takedown. 4-0 3:46 left

4-0 at the break.
 
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Every shot Taylor takes ends up with Sadulaev on top with the chest wrap.
Saduaev counters a shot by Taylor and takes him off the mat. 5-0

Same again. Taylor attacks the leg, Sadelaev drops down gets the chest wrap and gets his own takedown. 7-0

And again, with :54 to go. Sadulaev just holds the position with the chest wrap on top, but does not force a score. Stalemate

And again.

And again.

It ends at 7-0. Taylor had every leg attack rebuffed by Sadulaev .
 
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Just saw a Slovakian wrestler beat an Albanian 10-0 in :14 seconds - while I was waiting for another match to start. He literally tossed him around like a rag doll.

Ghasempour won his opening match vs. Ishiguro Japan by a 6-0 score. Didn't see the match. Would meet Sadulaev in semis if they both keep winning - which seems likely, although the Swiss wrestler (Sherrer) looked good in his opening match. Don't know anything about him and was likely against a weak opponent. I know little to nothing about most of the wrestlers outside of the US unless they wrestled collegiately in the US.
 
Looks to be a long time before the next US wrestler takes the mat. Nearly an hour since Taylor wrestled and just going through the qualifying matches at 61kg which Vito gets a bye in as the #2 seed. Green might be next up since he has a qualifying match at 70kg. Have to get through those and the rest of the qualifying at 61kg before Burroughs would be wrestling at 79.
 
Didn't give an accounting of Welker and Villaescusa yesterday in the semis. Both were beaten easily. Villaescusa lost 8-0 to Zhiang (China) and Welker looked out-matched vs. Ishii of Japan (13-1) with the tech fall coming with just 2 seconds left in the match. Didn't expect that, since neither were seeded (which is often misleading). Also because Welker beat the #2 seed Jiang of China via fall in the quarters.

Welker gets the Romanian Anghel for the bronze later today. Anghel lost to Ishii by a 6-0 score. Ishii was not seeded and Anghel is the #3 seed. Will be a tough match for Welker.

Villaescusa will get the winner of India/France match for the bronze. Debien (France) lost to Zhiang by an 11-0 score and Kirti (India) lost to Zhiang by a 2-0 score in the qualifying round - which was the toughest match Zhiang had on the day. Kirti won a repechage match this morning by a 6-2 score.
 
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