2024 St. Ignatius Football

PDC said:
Agree 100%. School is way too big.
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I'm not quite as clued into what is going on outside of football there these days. But I'm guessing that the demographics have shifted a lot over the years away from the blue collar families. Would that be true? Or is it just a nostalgic fallacy that it ever was heavily bolstered by working class parents.
 
Doublehelix said:
Have noticed this as well and I think it will get worse honestly.

The best talent is consolidating to like 10 schools state-wide. It's like forming its own BCS.

Mentor
Eds
Pick Central
Pick North
Gahanna
Moe
St X
Lakota West
Winton Woods
Princeton
Springfield

Not sure the Dayton region will compete for state titles anytime soon, outside of Springfield. Elder and Iggy now on the outside looking in.
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I think you have to throw Hoban and Massillon in there. And soon you may have to add Walsh, but I think Walsh may be peaking this year and we could see a small decline. They'll be really good though as long as Alexander is there.
 
David Wooderson said:
I think you have to throw Hoban and Massillon in there. And soon you may have to add Walsh, but I think Walsh may be peaking this year and we could see a small decline. They'll be really good though as long as Alexander is there.
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Walsh is not peaking this year. Within the program they thought next year would be their year. Moten has been fantastic….but next years QB is expected to be just as good if not better.
 
Football Fan 1 said:
Walsh is not peaking this year. Within the program they thought next year would be their year. Moten has been fantastic….but next years QB is expected to be just as good if not better.
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I'm not going to claim to be an expert on Walsh, but if it is who I think it is, no, he won't be just as good or better than Moten. He may have more physical tools. But he's not the leader and team player that Moten is. I'm not saying he is a bad kid or anything. I'm just saying to not underestimate the intangibles that Moten brings. Also, remember that Hoban regressing doesn't necessarily mean Walsh is getting better.
 
David Wooderson said:
I'm not going to claim to be an expert on Walsh, but if it is who I think it is, no, he won't be just as good or better than Moten. He may have more physical tools. But he's not the leader and team player that Moten is. I'm not saying he is a bad kid or anything. I'm just saying to not underestimate the intangibles that Moten brings. Also, remember that Hoban regressing doesn't necessarily mean Walsh is getting better.
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We will have to see. No question that the leadership intangibles that you reference are important.
 
IvyCat89 said:
SIHSAthletics just posted a “hype video” on Instagram with players in sunglasses, dancing, etc.

What an absolutely awful look.
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I love it, but it’s definitely not the traditional Ignatius way of doing business and can understand those that came before being turned off.
 
David Wooderson said:
I think you have to throw Hoban and Massillon in there. And soon you may have to add Walsh, but I think Walsh may be peaking this year and we could see a small decline. They'll be really good though as long as Alexander is there.
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Alexander may be exactly what Ignatius needs. Who knows, maybe it’s already in the works.
 
IvyCat89 said:
SIHSAthletics just posted a “hype video” on Instagram with players in sunglasses, dancing, etc.

What an absolutely awful look.
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I saw it. On one hand, it is kind of embarrassing for a 1-9 team to put that out. On the other hand, this is the kind of thing that kids want and expect these days. So I give some kudos to Ignatius for allowing this to be put out there. This is minor, but it is one of the kind of changes that we've been talking about here.

And while I think that Mentor will win, I do think that Mentor's #1 seed is more of a product of their easy schedule than it is them being good. I said many months ago that I'm not sold on Mentor and think they have mediocre coaching. I still think that. And Iggy only lost by 6 earlier this year when they played. I expect Mentor to win, but it isn't unthinkable for them to lose this one.
 
JazzyJeff said:
Alexander may be exactly what Ignatius needs. Who knows, maybe it’s already in the works.
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I would hate to see that. I'd like Alexander to stay put. But money talks.

For the record, I have not heard this anywhere. So I don't want any parts of making or perpetuating this as a rumor.
 
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
 
jdamdgw130 said:
Not as bad as a coach's wife yelling at people in the comments - geez
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arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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The tuition discussion is worthy of its own thread. I know the school talks up all the aid they give out, but I don’t think they appreciate that the sticker price will scare off a lot of families from even applying.
 
arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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Well said. I have posted time and time again over the last few years the very same thing. Among other issues that don't need to be brought up in this setting.
 
Catholic schools have had to evolve to survive, that means high tuition costs and a need for fundraising constantly. Ignatius is no exception, even with the massive endowment.

I really wonder what the longer-term prospects for all-boys Catholic high schools are. It seems to be working right now but I can assure you that the younger generations aren't going to be willing (even if able) to pay the outrageous price tag for an education at one of the all-boys schools. The voucher program could disappear at some point. That would certainly be the beginning of the end.

Right now it doesn't seem sustainable long-term.
 
eaglesfan216 said:
Catholic schools have had to evolve to survive, that means high tuition costs and a need for fundraising constantly. Ignatius is no exception, even with the massive endowment.

I really wonder what the longer-term prospects for all-boys Catholic high schools are. It seems to be working right now but I can assure you that the younger generations aren't going to be willing (even if able) to pay the outrageous price tag for an education at one of the all-boys schools. The voucher program could disappear at some point. That would certainly be the beginning of the end.

Right now it doesn't seem sustainable long-term.
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Agreed. If and when the voucher goes away, for sure the smaller (boys/girls) schools will close. The larger boys/girls schools will survive for a short period of time. The long term prospects are not very bright for private schools in general.
 
arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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They have a ton of endowment $ that could be used to lower tuition!
 
arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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Well said.
 
Joe Fabetz said:
The tuition discussion is worthy of its own thread. I know the school talks up all the aid they give out, but I don’t think they appreciate that the sticker price will scare off a lot of families from even applying.
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It’s about to for me.
 
arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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I'm sure you understand that your teachers probably had less than $20k salaries that got them by at the time. Today, they have to pay teachers $80k-$90k if they want to keep good ones, and with today's cost of living that really isn't much. I don't blame Ignatius for the tuition, it has risen with inflation like everything else. The school still provides the best of the best in terms of education. I went to Ignatius 20 years ago and it was 85% suburban kids. 10% Westpark. 5% City of Cleveland. That isn't new.
 
arizonawildcat said:
I find it interesting this thread which started out as a discussion of the Ignatius football team has turned into a discussion about the "soul" of Ignatius as a whole. As stated by several Ignatius alums on this post, I believe Ignatius has lost its way. When I first went to Ignatius in 1961, the school's body was made of kids from the middle class, more often the lower middle class. Most of the kids in my homeroom would later become the first boys in their families to attend college. Tuition was $300 per year, and it was a sacrifice for their families to pay that.

Now the tuition is now in excess of $20K. I find it hard to believe that the education provided to today's Ignatius students is nearly 70 times superior than the education I received at Ignatius. The school now seems to be about money and nothing else. The ungodly tuition, the constant hyping of its endowment, the petty treatment of the SIBN students merely for the sake of grubbing for more dollars, etc. Because of education I received at Ignatius, I received a college scholarship which eventually led to a more than respectable career in law and a financially comfortable life. In turn, I have been very generous toward Ignatius over the years. NO LONGER!
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70 times? Pretty sure there's been some inflation since 1961.
 
Having talked during the past several years with members of the administration as well as the Board of Regents, they are well aware of the concerns and issues regarding enrollment and affordability. They are certainly sensitive to the situation and are not ignoring it. If there were easy solutions, they would have deployed them already. This area is a complex situation to come up with solutions even for a school like Ignatius that has more resources and financial wherewithal than perhaps any other Catholic (and also private) school in this geographical area.
Mailman112 is absolutely right on the long-term prospects for private schools.
 
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