2023 Southwestern Buckeye League

The conference has gone the direction it has because those schools turned tail and fled. Of course they aren't coming back. The Small schools that have stayed, for whatever reason it may be, have earned a lot of respect from me. I feel worse for Brookville that had all their close match-ups leave but they have been really been impressive at a Athletic department that past decade or so and I'm glad to have them around still.
I agree 100%! Great post! Also in regards to the attached comment I went back and looked and have found absolutely no season anywhere close to no wins in the fall season. In fact I couldn’t even find last place in all. Not sure where you got that but that seem like a very false narrative and like another poster mentioned sitting on multiple conference champs in other season shows Carlisle more than belongs. Football goes in cycle but coaches often aren’t the right fit. Like John Reed was basically ran out of Lebanon and became a legend at Coldwater. Carlisle had great teams in the 80s, very bad in the 90s and has been great through most of 2000-2017. But something is wrong right now. The old SWBL teams will always be special to me great rivalries history.
 
The conference has gone the direction it has because those schools turned tail and fled. Of course they aren't coming back. The Small schools that have stayed, for whatever reason it may be, have earned a lot of respect from me. I feel worse for Brookville that had all their close match-ups leave but they have been really been impressive at a Athletic department that past decade or so and I'm glad to have them around still.
They turned tail and fled because they were tired of getting their brains beat in every single year.
 
I agree 100%! Great post! Also in regards to the attached comment I went back and looked and have found absolutely no season anywhere close to no wins in the fall season. In fact I couldn’t even find last place in all. Not sure where you got that but that seem like a very false narrative and like another poster mentioned sitting on multiple conference champs in other season shows Carlisle more than belongs. Football goes in cycle but coaches often aren’t the right fit. Like John Reed was basically ran out of Lebanon and became a legend at Coldwater. Carlisle had great teams in the 80s, very bad in the 90s and has been great through most of 2000-2017. But something is wrong right now. The old SWBL teams will always be special to me great rivalries history.

What's wrong with Carlisle is just sheer boredom. I think the kids hate this style of run offense and it doesn't benefit certain kids who play at your skilled positions. These days they want to run high octane, fast paced, big play style offense. It's damn sure hard to believe you can't get at least 10 kids per grade to play football. Winning brings tradition, and winning brings excitement. Look at VV....the most successful team to ever play in the SWBL the last 25-30 years. There's a reason for that...Niswonger brought that fast paced run and shoot offense. He had tons of team speed on offense and it was exciting to watch! With Aaron Focht running the ball back in the day, that's where it all began. He was the fastest kid on the field and it showed.

Even though i was at Carlisle, those days of watching VV play was the most exciting time in football. Carlisle needs to find that fire again. I just don't see it happening until they make a change and it starts with Clod.
 
I agree 100%! Great post! Also in regards to the attached comment I went back and looked and have found absolutely no season anywhere close to no wins in the fall season. In fact I couldn’t even find last place in all. Not sure where you got that but that seem like a very false narrative and like another poster mentioned sitting on multiple conference champs in other season shows Carlisle more than belongs. Football goes in cycle but coaches often aren’t the right fit. Like John Reed was basically ran out of Lebanon and became a legend at Coldwater. Carlisle had great teams in the 80s, very bad in the 90s and has been great through most of 2000-2017. But something is wrong right now. The old SWBL teams will always be special to me great rivalries history.
I would say Madison belongs more than Carlisle. They have very recent playoff success. I think someone said Carlisle has one playoff victory in school history.
 
I would say Madison belongs more than Carlisle. They have very recent playoff success. I think someone said Carlisle has one playoff victory in school history.


Jewell - Beat North College Hill 21-13 but lost to state champ Alter
2020 - Beat Summit Country Day
2021 - Beat Reading 34-23 - Reading 4 seed vs Carlisle 13 seed.

Been to the playoffs many times
 
What's wrong with Carlisle is just sheer boredom. I think the kids hate this style of run offense and it doesn't benefit certain kids who play at your skilled positions. These days they want to run high octane, fast paced, big play style offense. It's damn sure hard to believe you can't get at least 10 kids per grade to play football. Winning brings tradition, and winning brings excitement. Look at VV....the most successful team to ever play in the SWBL the last 25-30 years. There's a reason for that...Niswonger brought that fast paced run and shoot offense. He had tons of team speed on offense and it was exciting to watch! With Aaron Focht running the ball back in the day, that's where it all began. He was the fastest kid on the field and it showed.

Even though i was at Carlisle, those days of watching VV play was the most exciting time in football. Carlisle needs to find that fire again. I just don't see it happening until they make a change and it starts with Clod.
It may start with the coach and it may not. I am not sure and neither are you. Like we have said, most teams in the conference run the ball. Madison tried to get cute with the spread and it got them 0-10 and 1-9. They bring back the exciting wing t and are off to 4-0 start. Always easy to blame the coach which I totally understand. By the way, does Carlisle have the athletes to run that style? Can they block, catch , and throw? Do they have a good QB?
 
What is going on at Carlisle is baffling! How in the world can you only get 30 kids to come out for football. I have seen there per wee teams, all have 20 plus. Kids fall off in every city from pee wee to high school, but if you can’t get 10 kids a grade to come out then there is some serious issues that need to be corrected immediately.
Good question. I wonder if the coaches are too hard on the kids and they do not want to play? Or maybe they are too soft. Or maybe the kids do not see the value of playing football like people used to do.
 
Jewell - Beat North College Hill 21-13 but lost to state champ Alter
2020 - Beat Summit Country Day
2021 - Beat Reading 34-23 - Reading 4 seed vs Carlisle 13 seed.

Been to the playoffs many times
Does that mean the current coach won playoff games in 2020, and 2021? Because the rules changes playoff games won no longer count ?
 
What's wrong with Carlisle is just sheer boredom. I think the kids hate this style of run offense and it doesn't benefit certain kids who play at your skilled positions. These days they want to run high octane, fast paced, big play style offense. It's damn sure hard to believe you can't get at least 10 kids per grade to play football. Winning brings tradition, and winning brings excitement. Look at VV....the most successful team to ever play in the SWBL the last 25-30 years. There's a reason for that...Niswonger brought that fast paced run and shoot offense. He had tons of team speed on offense and it was exciting to watch! With Aaron Focht running the ball back in the day, that's where it all began. He was the fastest kid on the field and it showed.

Even though i was at Carlisle, those days of watching VV play was the most exciting time in football. Carlisle needs to find that fire again. I just don't see it happening until they make a change and it starts with Clod.
Monroe’s numbers were 45-50 2018-2019 and numbers have consistently went up and are now in the 80’s. They run a ball control offense as well. I really think it comes down to the coaches you have and the energy and enthusiasm they bring. Carlisle is lacking that big time.
 
Monroe’s numbers were 45-50 2018-2019 and numbers have consistently went up and are now in the 80’s. They run a ball control offense as well. I really think it comes down to the coaches you have and the energy and enthusiasm they bring. Carlisle is lacking that big time.
Sometimes I think we all want to fit these programs into a nice little box as well. They are all different, all unique. Monroe and Carlisle are similar in their offenses, but as far as actual school size, very different. Monroe is such a growing community while Carlisle is a smaller school. I do agree that the coaching, energy, and enthusiasm are very important. Developing some type of winning atmosphere definitely helps as well.
 
Malara (VVs best defensive player) was also out that half for discipline reasons. VV was forced to shift 3 other players to new positions to try to fill the void. Look for a better half all around for VV. Credit to Carlisle for seeing it and taking advantage of it. At this point for VV just get out with a win and regroup. Team is clearly distracted by the off the field situation
 
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