eaglepride
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It’s been a long argument here on Yappi. Welcome to the forum!Those 90% of teams that would be 0-3 also aren’t getting the BEST kids in the area coming to their school. They get what the community has.
It’s been a long argument here on Yappi. Welcome to the forum!Those 90% of teams that would be 0-3 also aren’t getting the BEST kids in the area coming to their school. They get what the community has.
Here we go again ……. Beating the deadThose 90% of teams that would be 0-3 also aren’t getting the BEST kids in the area coming to their school. They get what the community has.
More than happy to have this debate for the 400th time. It's true private schools like St Edward attract student athletes from a wider net than the geographic boundaries of most public schools. That's a given. So is that all there is to discuss? I guess from your perspective that's all anyone needs, or should, consider. Well, that's a nice universe you live in, but it's not the real world or the real world of Catholic or private education.Those 90% of teams that would be 0-3 also aren’t getting the BEST kids in the area coming to their school. They get what the community has.
This ! The haters think the school just throws free money around to all the primer athletes in north east Ohio. It’s the easy cop out when they get beat by St. Ed’s, or any private for that matter.More than happy to have this debate for the 400th time. It's true private schools like St Edward attract student athletes from a wider net than the geographic boundaries of most public schools. That's a given. So is that all there is to discuss? I guess from your perspective that's all anyone needs, or should, consider. Well, that's a nice universe you live in, but it's not the real world or the real world of Catholic or private education.
It costs about $15,000 a year to send a student to St. Edward or any of the major D1 Catholic schools. Where does that money come from? Do you think the State pays for it? Vouchers (if they're even available) pay a limited amount. You may think these schools are swimming in money (OK, maybe one school is swimming in money) but it is not St. Edward.
Students who come to St. Edward come for the education and experience. And yes, the experience for some includes being a part of a premier football program in Ohio.
Their parents sacrifice a great deal. Every student ends up paying a portion, if not all of their tuition. They come because they want to be a part of something that they have identified as being special. It's a sacrifice to attend St Edward even for students who live next door to the school, let alone those traveling a great distance. They come because it's special experience.
And if you think we get all the best players in every sport you're delusional. We don't. We lose students because of the financial realities. We struggle to compete against what is now the national schedule we must play.
If you want to be a hater based on geographic boundaries, at least appreciate and understand the incredible cost and commitment crossing those boundaries cost these young students and their families.
Yes, hard to imagine we will see an O/D line combination as good as Cherry Creek had. D line especially. Between the speed rush from Purchase and the power rush from Brackney, it took everything Roebuck and Armstrong had to keep Bullock upright on many occasions. Casey's mechanics seemed off from the get go, and the constant pressure didn't help. Several errant throws as you mentioned that could have kept drives going. The offense could not find any semblance of a rhythm the entire first half. Marvin put the team on his back the second half. I think he was down before the goal line on his TD carry, but can't imagine he wouldn't have punched it in from inside the one on the next play anyway. Similarly, I thought Bullock may have fumbled just as he was crossing the goal line for the go-ahead TD.Eagles get a win against a quality opponent. This could very well be the best O-line and D-line they will play against in 2022. The O missed a few opportunities to break open the game with missed throws to Mason. The D found themselves on the field the 1st half far too long...the roughing the kicker error cost the Eagles 3 points. DB's need to play through the receiver...be as deep as the deepest WR. They tried to jump a few passes, but bad angles and misjudging the ball cost them on the late Cherry Creek TD drive.
Next week they play a 3-0 Elder.
Go Eagles!
You’re thinking about the 2014 squad. St. Edward lost to Elder 21-14 at The Pit that year. The Eagles beat the Panthers 31-20 at home in 2015.For this week's game, I am interested to see what happens. Elder to me seems a lot more like Pittsburgh Central Catholic, talented and disciplined but perhaps not the team speed of St. Ed's. Over the years it has been a weird game for St. Ed's. There have been blow outs when I expected a tight game, the massive comeback win in 2018, a tight loss on the road with the 2015 team that may have been the most talented team St. Ed's has ever had. Last year there was a running clock, so I am just interested to see what will happen.
Ah yes, thank you, I knew it was one of those years. The series goes back pretty far at this point, overall record is 10-7 in Ed's favor.You’re thinking about the 2014 squad. St. Edward lost to Elder 21-14 at The Pit that year. The Eagles beat the Panthers 31-20 at home in 2015.
It seems the game notes page has been updated on the athletic websiteI have not seen the game notes updated on any consistency either. Ed’s has taken over the lead over the years.
It would be nice. The so called muny stadium type scoreboard has not worked for years.Are there any plans to fix the First Fed Lakewood scoreboard? The board is pathetic for any High School Stadium. Some of the lights are burnt out.
If you are early, plenty of side streets for parking. If not an hour in advance, its best to park in the HS lot at the intersection of Bunts and Franklin roads.I will be making my first trip up to Lakewood stadium on Saturday. Where is the best place to try and park at ?
The fact it's gotten this bad is pretty terrible. The stands are not much better. They replaced the turf I believe before last season but they need to put a lot more work into it. I always thought Lakewood was one of the better high school stadiums in the 90s but it is in need of some major updating and renovation.Are there any plans to fix the First Fed Lakewood scoreboard? The board is pathetic for any High School Stadium. Some of the lights are burnt out.
First Federal Lakewood is the only thing clear on the sign. I would think they would be embarrassed of the sign. I agree with other enhancements needed throughout the stadium. Does Ed's have a long term lease or year to year?The fact it's gotten this bad is pretty terrible. The stands are not much better. They replaced the turf I believe before last season but they need to put a lot more work into it. I always thought Lakewood was one of the better high school stadiums in the 90s but it is in need of some major updating and renovation.
Patrick Kennedy sends out (on average) 17-20 pages of game notes every week. You'll get them if your on the booster's mailing list. The notes have everything from current rosters for each game, all the stats for the year to date, history of matchups, analysis of the game, and a wealth of other material.It seems the game notes page has been updated on the athletic website
I personally never said I begrudge anyone who sends their kid where they think it is in their kids best interest. If a kid is able to better his current and future situation based on attending a school, by all means.More than happy to have this debate for the 400th time. It's true private schools like St Edward attract student athletes from a wider net than the geographic boundaries of most public schools. That's a given. So is that all there is to discuss? I guess from your perspective that's all anyone needs, or should, consider. Well, that's a nice universe you live in, but it's not the real world or the real world of Catholic or private education.
It costs about $15,000 a year to send a student to St. Edward or any of the major D1 Catholic schools. Where does that money come from? Do you think the State pays for it? Vouchers (if they're even available) pay a limited amount. You may think these schools are swimming in money (OK, maybe one school is swimming in money) but it is not St. Edward.
Students who come to St. Edward come for the education and experience. And yes, the experience for some includes being a part of a premier football program in Ohio.
Their parents sacrifice a great deal. Every student ends up paying a portion, if not all of their tuition. They come because they want to be a part of something that they have identified as being special. It's a sacrifice to attend St Edward even for students who live next door to the school, let alone those traveling a great distance. They come because it's special experience.
And if you think we get all the best players in every sport you're delusional. We don't. We lose students because of the financial realities. We struggle to compete against what is now the national schedule we must play.
If you want to be a hater based on geographic boundaries, at least appreciate and understand the incredible cost and commitment crossing those boundaries cost these young students and their families.
I think our offense is just young and big , we wear ppl out. We need some big plays here and there , offense is still a work in progress. It seems like our stud DEs always show up late when needed.So what was the deal today? Did we come out flat after last weeks big win or is Elder that good? Thanks
A huge advantage over who? The average D1 public school without open enrollment and limited facilities? Yes, St Edward and St. Ignatius have HUGE advantages. But those advantages come with a huge price tag. And that's my point.I personally never said I begrudge anyone who sends their kid where they think it is in their kids best interest. If a kid is able to better his current and future situation based on attending a school, by all means.
But I think anyone who thinks that St. Ed’s and St. I aren’t at a HUGE advantage athletically over a public school is the DELUSIONAL one, DELUSIONAL is the word I think you used.
Ohio Ed choice vouchers pay $7,500 of public tax payer money towards that tuition. Deep pocket boosters pick up the rest. Please don’t tell us these players who live in public housing have parents who are paying this tuition.A huge advantage over who? The average D1 public school without open enrollment and limited facilities? Yes, St Edward and St. Ignatius have HUGE advantages. But those advantages come with a huge price tag. And that's my point.
However, not all public school programs are run of the mill. The Springfield team St Edward defeated in the D1 title game last year had as many or more great athletes than St Edward. IMO St Edward prevailed because of a tougher regular season schedule that better prepared St Edward players for that big stage. There was little difference in those two teams.
Every St Edward player I talked to last year told me Upper Arlington (St Edward won 16-10 to get to the title game) was an amazing team with incredible coaching and discipline. UA certainly didn't think they were overmatched and nearly beat my Eagles.
My point is people say 'You have an advantage!" and never mention or consider the $16,000 a year it costs to attend St Edward. And for the record, we don't have the kind of endowment where we can just "give kids a free ride." We struggle to keep kids in school with the financial demands families face.
So I understand and respect your point. Yes, we have an advantage, but we also envy many of the incredible facilities some major public schools have that we can't afford.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't St. Eds football program also connected to the Cleveland Browns where they can use their facilities and perhaps get access to certain training, instruction, coaching, etc that other HS players don't get?I personally never said I begrudge anyone who sends their kid where they think it is in their kids best interest. If a kid is able to better his current and future situation based on attending a school, by all means.
But I think anyone who thinks that St. Ed’s and St. I aren’t at a HUGE advantage athletically over a public school is the DELUSIONAL one, DELUSIONAL is the word I think you used.
But is that deep pocket booster money used specifically and intentionally to get the best football recruits from all over NE Ohio and possibly beyond? If so, that's wrong and unethical. It's bribery. And it's a huge competitive advantage.Ohio Ed choice vouchers pay $7,500 of public tax payer money towards that tuition. Deep pocket boosters pick up the rest. Please don’t tell us these players who live in public housing have parents who are paying this tuition.
“Deep pocket boosters” lol keep dreaming. It’s called need based …… the kids have to have a certain gpa to keep any money off they might or might not get.Ohio Ed choice vouchers pay $7,500 of public tax payer money towards that tuition. Deep pocket boosters pick up the rest. Please don’t tell us these players who live in public housing have parents who are paying this tuition.
Thank you for finally admitting what everyone already knows. The full 16k tuition rate quoted here is not charged to everyone. My guess is the rate is right around the $7,500 the state pays with my tax dollars for anyone who can play ball.“Deep pocket boosters” lol keep dreaming. It’s called need based …… the kids have to have a certain gpa to keep any money off they might or might not get.
No. Chuck Kyle from Ignatius has a relationship with the Browns. I think his official title is "youth football advisor". St. Edward has no relationship with the Browns, and the extent of the relationship St. Ignatius has is the Eds-Ignatius game is played at FirstEnergy Stadium some years if it isn't intrusive on the Browns schedule.Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't St. Eds football program also connected to the Cleveland Browns where they can use their facilities and perhaps get access to certain training, instruction, coaching, etc that other HS players don't get?