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I'd agree-- trying to limit the ability of all football players (and ONLY football players) to play in OHSAA-sanctioned state playoffs, when NO other Ohio HS sport does that IS "moronic".Not complicated, just moronic.
I'd agree-- trying to limit the ability of all football players (and ONLY football players) to play in OHSAA-sanctioned state playoffs, when NO other Ohio HS sport does that IS "moronic".Not complicated, just moronic.
The point was that the team would feel pressured to play that playoff game, no matter what.If they don't want to play football-- don't go out for the football team. There is nothing complicated about that.
This idea that there is this VAST array of low-skilled, low-performing, lowly-motivated HS football players on these lesser teams that would NOT like (and embrace) having the chance to play in an OHSAA-sanctioned state playoff game, regardless of the opponent, is the absurd, obtuse viewpoint-- which should STOP being given credence and reiteration on this forum.The point was that the team would feel pressured to play that playoff game, no matter what.
Not that they would feel pressured to play football in the first instance.
I get your point, but there are other views worth considering as well. Stop being so obtuse.
You should get off your knees and wipe your mouthTakes an idiot to start calling someone else with more and better understanding of a topic an "idiot"-- doesn't really help your "brilliance" argument, when you fill your retort with grammatical and spelling errors.
Your level of juvenile repartee continues to sink to new lows.You should get off your knees and wipe your mouth
Says the guy who cant handle a differing opinion you dont deserve respect clownYour level of juvenile repartee continues to sink to new lows.
You ignore so many facets of this issue.I'd agree-- trying to limit the ability of all football players (and ONLY football players) to play in OHSAA-sanctioned state playoffs, when NO other Ohio HS sport does that IS "moronic".
As long as there are situations like Western Hills in 2021, which are likely to continue to fester across the different city districts with whichever poor program of 25-30 kids winds up on the wrong side of the D1/D2 line, you’ll have situations that make the ‘opt-out’ attractive.This idea that there is this VAST array of low-skilled, low-performing, lowly-motivated HS football players on these lesser teams that would NOT like (and embrace) having the chance to play in an OHSAA-sanctioned state playoff game, regardless of the opponent, is the absurd, obtuse viewpoint-- which should STOP being given credence and reiteration on this forum.
All your inherently contradictory responses have proven is that you have absolutely NO understanding of this topic; you certainly have no idea of the logistics, the impact on the schools and either don't know or don't care how it would impact the kids. What's the old Abe Lincoln saying? "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."Takes an idiot to start calling someone else with more and better understanding of a topic an "idiot"-- doesn't really help your "brilliance" argument, when you fill your retort with grammatical and spelling errors.
I've never seen someone play a Saturday game followed by a Monday or Tuesday game. I believe NFHS rules is, i believe, 4th day after a game can play another game. So, a Saturday game could be followed by a Wednesday games. Some states 'condense' playoffs so that 3 games are played over two weeks. One week will have Thursday games, then on Tuesday, and then Saturday.@Sykotyk you better not tell a certain infamous school they aren't supposed to play 2 varsity games in back to back days.
Although I have seen a few times a team have a Saturday game followed by a Monday or Tuesday game or a Sunday game followed by a Tuesday or Wednesday game.
Are you certain they would be able or rules would permit every other sport to play 16 contests in 2 weeks? I would think some sports only allow one varsity contest per day.
I don't post over here at all because I don't know much about football. But I always loved reading the threads around this time where people were doing the math and talking scenarios to see if their team has a chance at the playoffs. OHSAA killed that for cash.You all see it too.
That's all I got. What are we doing?
Get off my lawn. Go Bucks.
This is absurd-- there is no "slap in the face" to the team that wins in dominant fashion, in a first-round playoff game-- that team just moves on, happy to have won another game (and probably padded its season stats considerably). Also, NO ONE gets a participation trophy just for appearing in a first-round playoff game-- that is also an unfounded claim.
This is absurd-- there is no "slap in the face" to the team that wins in dominant fashion, in a first-round playoff game-- that team just moves on, happy to have won another game (and probably padded its season stats considerably). Also, NO ONE gets a participation trophy just for appearing in a first-round playoff game-- that is also an unfounded claim.
Wow! I tell kids and some adults to think before you talk. Or even before you post!@Sykotyk you better not tell a certain infamous school they aren't supposed to play 2 varsity games in back to back days.
Although I have seen a few times a team have a Saturday game followed by a Monday or Tuesday game or a Sunday game followed by a Tuesday or Wednesday game.
Are you certain they would be able or rules would permit every other sport to play 16 contests in 2 weeks? I would think some sports only allow one varsity contest per day.
The only reason NEO is in here is to insult folks. He must be practicing some kind of stand up routine. Don’t take it personal. He insults anyone who doesn’t agree with him.Takes an idiot to start calling someone else with more and better understanding of a topic an "idiot"-- doesn't really help your "brilliance" argument, when you fill your retort with grammatical and spelling errors.
I would even say it's worse for 1-9 team to play a high seed in the lower divisions (4-7) in the rural communities. Most rural communities aren't highly populated and in the middle of nowhere so you're all in or you're not. Those schools share athletes, most kids playing football are playing basketball or wrestling then the same kids are participating in whatever spring sport that's offered. So small schools don't have the numbers. If you're 1-9 and still have to play another game trust me, those kids are thinking about there winter sport they could care less about week 11.Posters here must not have been involved with a 1-9 team. By week 11 everyone is done with season and ready to go play other sports. Why waste the time of everyone involved to have a 1-16 match up in d-1. So Eds gets to destroy a winless team so the OHSAA can get some more money to go to Hawaii for their conferences. Its a joke. I am fine with 1-16 in normal sized divisions. 8 still is best but 12 and 16 are ok if you have large regions. By the way, in soccer and basketball...if you get beat 90-0 nobody is being carried off the field . In football mismatches, the losing outmatched teams usually has injuries.
There’s 706 11-man teams currently. 512 is the nearest power of 2 (^9), which means you have four brackets each with 128. What you do with the remaining 194, who knows. It won’t neatly fit a bell curve, because one end is going to have way more teams and size disparities than the other end.How many 11 man teams play in Ohio? How many divisions if you went 128 team brackets of an all in tournament?
11, lol.How many divisions for a 64 team bracket with all in?
Thanks, thought I saw 701 on OHSAA's website. D1 top 64 in enrollment leaves you with 637 teams. Divide that by 5 remaining divisions and you get 127.4 teams per division. If 706 then do 66 or 68 teams in D1 & do the same thing. Make the regular season 9 games with the all in for D2 to D5. D1 could go 10 unless you're one of the play in teams. Guessing most would just take a bye in week 10 instead.There’s 706 11-man teams currently. 512 is the nearest power of 2 (^9), which means you have four brackets each with 128. What you do with the remaining 194, who knows. It won’t neatly fit a bell-curve because one end is going to have way more teams and size disparities than the other end.
11, lol.
I can handle a differing opinion fine-- when you resort to childish name-calling, and scatological references, I stop being respectful of you and your lack of maturity and intellect.Says the guy who cant handle a differing opinion you dont deserve respect clown
You do a better job than some others on here, of supporting your argument-- but, you still don't make a persuasive case. The fact that there is a mismatch in a physical sport is NOT a reason to say "We shouldn't let these players or this team participate in the state playoffs."-- the OHSAA does NOT do that in wrestling (which has the potential for FAR more direct, physical violence and domination than a football game does--and the wrestling tournaments are set up, BY DEFAULT, to match the lowest seeded wrestlers in the first round with the top, most dominant wrestler-- I know the sport intimately-- and getting pulverized by a far more powerful, dominant wrestler for 6 straight minutes of pain and agony is NO fun-- but the loser gets over it, and moves on with life), or in ice hockey (which has MORE concussions, per participant, than football does) or rugby (I know-- not an OHSAA-sanctioned sport yet-- but the principle still holds-- in a physical sport every bit as rough as football)...You ignore so many facets of this issue.
Yes, some individual players do not get to suit up for the playoffs as a 16 (or apparently 30th) seed in the playoffs. So what. Does it matter that basketball has an "all in" tournament? - it's only been that way almost for forever. On the other hand football went with NO PLAYOFFS for most of the 20th century, then when playoffs were adopted in the 1970's, only one team per region made it, with gradual expansion since then. Part of the issue with football is that only 1 game per week is getting played.
There is a practical reason why other sports can (and maybe should) be all inclusive for state championship tournaments. Basketball could conceivably play 3 games per week - and they don't get physically dominated if the 1st round game is a mismatch. The local district track meets are full of teams that may have only 1 athlete who can move on to regionals, whereas the rest of the team finishes 39th in their heats. Great, that one athlete got a chance, but you want the one athlete on a football team to get to experience that when his teammates get physically pounded into the ground?
Your proposal to reduce the number of regular season games so that 30th seeded team gets to play a playoff game doesn't jive with any other sport. Ohio HS basketball used to be 18 regular season games, then 20, now 22. Yes, every team still gets in...so we have expanded opportunities to play basketball games. But you want to shorten the regular season in football - which reduces the opportunity for teams (especially weaker teams) to play meaningful, competitive games. Because getting running-clocked 70-0 is not a meaningful game for anyone, especially for the kids on the field. But if that 0-10 team voted to not play, they'd be rung up the flagpole with names not appropriate for typing here.
I'm done. You should be.
Then they can opt out-- that's what it's there for. End of problem.As long as there are situations like Western Hills in 2021, which are likely to continue to fester across the different city districts with whichever poor program of 25-30 kids winds up on the wrong side of the D1/D2 line, you’ll have situations that make the ‘opt-out’ attractive.
I say the same about you-- you have no idea or understanding of this topic. It's obvious that the OHSAA is moving in the direction that I am advocating (they even held an all-teams inclusive playoff, already in 2020)-- and it's also obvious that they have people whose job it is to study this topic and know as much about it as they possibly can-- I'll take the OHSAA as more knowledgable and expert in this topic than you--and they keep adding more and more teams to the playoffs, in every move that they have made since they introduced playoffs in football.All your inherently contradictory responses have proven is that you have absolutely NO understanding of this topic; you certainly have no idea of the logistics, the impact on the schools and either don't know or don't care how it would impact the kids. What's the old Abe Lincoln saying? "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
As I noted in another post-- wrestling is/can be just as violent as football (or more so)-- and the state tournament ALWAYS starts out with severely overmatched wrestlers getting totally dominated by the best wrestlers in their weight class-- there is no effort to prevent that--nor SHOULD there be-- nor should there be in football... The same happens in hockey-- which features more serious head injuries per participant than football.I've lost track of where this debate has gone over the past few pages. But let me just interject:
The biggest issue AGAINST everyone making it to the playoffs (or even 16 in the tournament) is that football is played sparingly through the calendar. The entire season takes 4 months and even the largest playing team will total 16 games. Every other sport could squeeze 16 games in a couple of weeks if needed.
That's the biggest drawback to the play for another round. And you can't take away weeks from the regular season. Regardless the idea that 'oh, it costs the schools money to play'... the players want to play game. They're not signing up for a season if it's 7-8 games long and a first round exit.
The other big argument AGAINST everyone making it is that football is the most 'violent' sport that high schools plays. Followed in a distance 2nd would be Hockey and maybe Wrestling. The worst that happens in every other sport is you lose. Football is much more dangerous for a good team to be pitted against a bad team. We've all seen where a huge mismatch happens and the losing team is basically just trying to survive. They're not even playing to succeed. They're playing to avoid any catastrophic injury. It's why Richmond Heights walked off a few years ago. The mismatch was dangerous to continue. Argue for why games like that happen or why it is or isn't dangerous to continue. Either way, it's still an issue.
The only state that I know fhat has everyone making the playoffs is Indiana. And it's a true tournament. The entire regular season has no bearing on the playoffs. The entire tournament is a blind draw and no advantage based on regular season performance.
You can be 0-9 playing 1-8 and host the game. You could be 1-8 hosting a 9-0 team. You could be 1-8 playing at a 5-4 team. You just don't know because it's a random draw. There's also much fewer teams and Indiana can squeeze all their teams into six classifications and make it happen. For Ohio to do a similar tournament would need about 12 classifications.
Which isn't happening.
There's nothing wrong with limiting participation to the playoffs to teams that qualify for it given how long the playoffs take. The players of an 1-7 team would rather two more regular season games to close out the year with a senior night, etc than dumped into a playoff facing an 8-0 powerhouse at their place just to be annihilated. And then what? Their season is over? Last game is a loss unless you're a state champion.
If you can't figure out why football only plays once a week and not understand that by the end of a season of playing that sport that can only be played once a week, it's not best to foist the 0-10 team against the 10-0 team, I can't help you.
Not true.I don't post over here at all because I don't know much about football. But I always loved reading the threads around this time where people were doing the math and talking scenarios to see if their team has a chance at the playoffs. OHSAA killed that for cash.