The Last Days of Knight

Omar

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Again, not everyone could play at IU when Knight was there. I'll always say he did a heck of alot more good there than bad. Not even close.
Better question is why anyone wanted to? If you could play for Knight or Dean Smith, it’s not a hard choice.
 

14Red

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Kids are too soft today, but that had nothing to do with choking a player.
There is no doubt that as Knight got older and set in his ways, he took liberty on his power at IU. He was untouchable and was allowed to do alot more than the average coach. Do I feel he always had the kids best interest in mind? Absolutely. He was brought up in a military environment, it worked for him.
Like alot of things you need people around you that will hold you accountable. Knight had alot of yes men around him, and it ultimately led to his demise.
 

Arrogate

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Knight couldn't possibly be held accountable for his actions

It was the shot clock, 3 point line, yes men etc that caused his downfall.

Always some one else's fault in your eyes
 

14Red

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Knight couldn't possibly be held accountable for his actions

It was the shot clock, 3 point line, yes men etc that caused his downfall.

Always some one else's fault in your eyes
In his position at a basketball crazy school, probably not. Heck most of us can't name college presidents. They move every 4-5 years and stay pretty incognito otherwise.
I think you are mistaken in my opinion, again. All I said was that adding the 3 point line and shot clock, takes SOME of the control away from the coaches, not just Knight. Without the shot clock and 3 point line, you can compete with better talent by controlling the tempo, defending and playing defense. By adding those things to the game, it favors the more athletic teams and players. It's really not a hard concept. Judging by the numbers of successful teams IU had, you't think they'd had more long term NBA players, and they didn't. Kent Benson, Scott May, Quin Bucker, Isaiah Thomas, Randy Whitman, Calbert Cheney are really about the only Knight players who had sizable NBA careers. It's because they played a team concept that worked so well in that era. The '87 championship game was probably the best example. Syracuse had Derek Coleman, Sherman Douglas and Rony Seikely, IU had no one that had any kind of an NBA career. Steve Alford was their best player, Keith Smart hit the big shot, Daryl Thomas, Dean Garrett, Joe Hillman...just a bunch of guys who played really well together.

Now, with Knight struggling to get "his" kinds of players and having less control of the game that he was so good at coaching, his temperament took over and he became too much for this era of player.

Not really much different that the situation at Penn State with Paterno. He had no one who kept him accountable. Woody Hayes had to slug a player in public during a game to get the ax. Still alot of people in this state who love Woody Hayes.
 

Arrogate

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No you also said players had more control of their future as if that would defend players speaking out and not playing for knight. You made a dumb point but keep trying to change your argument.

Funny how great lengths you will go to defend an abusive person. You hate LeBron for his ego yet Bobby gets a pass.
 

St.X fan2

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I missed the first thirty minutes of the program but saw the rest of it. I never liked Knight and I always thought he was a jerk. I rooted against IU when he was the coach because of his abusive behavior. I remember when Knight intentionally head butted one of his players and they showed that in the ESPN program. I believe that Knight kicked his son Patrick when he played there. Knight was a bully and I was sad to see in the program that Reid died at a young age leaving behind a wife and kids. That was pretty bad at the end when Knight wished that the whole IU administration was dead (talk about holding a grudge).
 

jtk

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1993 — Is suspended for one game after a sideline tirade in a 101-82 victory over Notre Dame in which he screams at his player son, Pat, and kicks at him. When fans behind the Indiana bench boo, Knight turns and responds with an obscenity.

lol his own son. lol

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14Red

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Better question is why anyone wanted to? If you could play for Knight or Dean Smith, it’s not a hard choice.
Once Knight got rolling at IU in the mid 70's, recruiting was pretty easy. Kids recruited themselves to Bloomington. It was kind of reverse as of today as you were honored if Knight was interested in you coming to Bloomington. There was such prestige being an IU basketball player. It's really not unlike what happens here in Ohio with Ohio State. Some kids will walk on at Ohio State rather than accept a scholarship and more playing time elsewhere.

College recruiting was much more regional back then. You didn't have alot of kids go out of state to school, or at least not several states away. Now you have kids who go cross country for college.
 

14Red

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No you also said players had more control of their future as if that would defend players speaking out and not playing for knight. You made a dumb point but keep trying to change your argument.

Funny how great lengths you will go to defend an abusive person. You hate LeBron for his ego yet Bobby gets a pass.
And you take a snippet of an opinon and run it across every post anyone has ever done. Man it takes alot of time and energy to do that. Don't you have anything better to do? This is a tread on one of the most controversial figures in college basketball history. And you want to make it all or nothing?
 

14Red

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1993 — Is suspended for one game after a sideline tirade in a 101-82 victory over Notre Dame in which he screams at his player son, Pat, and kicks at him. When fans behind the Indiana bench boo, Knight turns and responds with an obscenity.

lol his own son. lol

jtk
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I'd say that's about the time things really started going off the rails for Bobby at IU.
In 1959, Woody Hayes threw a punch at a sportswriter following a loss to USC. In 1965, Hayes nearly started a fight with Iowa's AD, in 1973, Hayes shoved a camera in the face of photographer...after all this, he wasn't let go until he punched the Clemson player on national TV.
 

Arrogate

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And you take a snippet of an opinon and run it across every post anyone has ever done. Man it takes alot of time and energy to do that. Don't you have anything better to do? This is a tread on one of the most controversial figures in college basketball history. And you want to make it all or nothing?
When you continually say stupid sh1t I don't see how this could go any other way. I realize you are trolling but dear God.
 

Omar

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1993 — Is suspended for one game after a sideline tirade in a 101-82 victory over Notre Dame in which he screams at his player son, Pat, and kicks at him. When fans behind the Indiana bench boo, Knight turns and responds with an obscenity.

lol his own son. lol

jtk
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At least he didn’t show favoritism. Anyone remember the ESPN made for TV movie on him? I think it came out in ‘01/‘02. It wasn’t a good movie in terms of quality, but it really made him look like an even bigger azz hole than he already was. There was a player on that team from Cincinnati, Rick Calloway, who ended up transferring out bc of Knight.
 

14Red

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At least he didn’t show favoritism. Anyone remember the ESPN made for TV movie on him? I think it came out in ‘01/‘02. It wasn’t a good movie in terms of quality, but it really made him look like an even bigger azz hole than he already was. There was a player on that team from Cincinnati, Rick Calloway, who ended up transferring out bc of Knight.
Calloway wasn't a fit at IU. As I've said here a bunch of times already, not everyone could play for Knight.
 
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