PAC 2023

Lyons Den is that way. When I finally played the back 9, I couldn't believe it was the same course.
Lyons Den is underrated. I think people poo-poo it because it doesn't have bunkers, but it's actually a decent track for the price! About 2-3 years ago the old greens keeper at Canton Brookside was hired at The Den, ever since then it's been in great shape
 
It's Friday and What Have We Learned This Week

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T-minus one week to graduation. No time for a long post. But sitting on the deck for the first time this year. Not going to rush it … but it’s one of those monumental moments of the year which means we’ve reached summer (almost) and we’re closer to football season.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t note the loss of the greatest football player ever today.


Jim Brown. Ernie Davis. Floyd Little. The Syracuse 44’s. Two of the three were Cleveland Browns.

And to almost bring it home to the PAC … or at least Summit County, then came Larry Czonka. From Stow. I couldn’t find any Stow Bulldogs schedules from 1960-63 to see if Czonka played any modern day PAC schools. But there is no Czonka at Syracuse without Jim Brown first paving the way. The best there ever was.

91 days til kickoff. Have a great weekend!
 
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"I couldn’t find any Stow Bulldogs schedules from 1960-63 to see if Czonka played any modern day PAC schools."

1960
at Green
Norton
at Kent Roosevelt
at Springfield
Ellet (Of PAC relevance, the BJ's Springfield-Wadsworth prediction for this week said, "With Jim France back at the controls, Springfield figures to win.")
Tallmadge (prediction for the game simply said "Toothless Bulldogs.")
Kent State HS
Coventry
at Wadsworth
Stow was in the Metro Conference in those days. It appears they played a 9-game schedule in 1960. The best I can tell from the writers' weekly predictions, Stow was not very good in 1960.

1961
Green
at Norton
Kent Roosevelt
Springfield
at Ellet
Tallmadge
at Coventry
at Ravenna
Wadsworth
Stow finished the season with a 5-4 record for a major improvement over their 1960 campaign. Not sure if it was Larry, but I noticed in the Wadsworth box score that a Csonka played tackle in the game for Stow.

1962
Hoban (at St. Mary Stadium)
at Green
Norton
at Kent Roosevelt
at Springfield
Ellet
at Tallmadge
Coventry
Ravenna
at Wadsworth
Stow finished the season 9-1 and won the Metro League championship. Their lone defeat came against nonleague foe Hoban. Csonka played FB this season. Incidentally, Wadsworth exited the Metro after this season.

1963
Hoban
Green
at Norton
Kent Roosevelt
Springfield
at Ellet
Tallmadge
at Coventry
at Newton Falls
Ravenna
The Bulldogs finished a disappointing 3-6-1 in 1963.

Attachment is the article from Csonka's last HS game.
 

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"I couldn’t find any Stow Bulldogs schedules from 1960-63 to see if Czonka played any modern day PAC schools."

1960
at Green
Norton
at Kent Roosevelt
at Springfield
Ellet (Of PAC relevance, the BJ's Springfield-Wadsworth prediction for this week said, "With Jim France back at the controls, Springfield figures to win.")
Tallmadge (prediction for the game simply said "Toothless Bulldogs.")
Kent State HS
Coventry
at Wadsworth
Stow was in the Metro Conference in those days. It appears they played a 9-game schedule in 1960. The best I can tell from the writers' weekly predictions, Stow was not very good in 1960.

1961
Green
at Norton
Kent Roosevelt
Springfield
at Ellet
Tallmadge
at Coventry
at Ravenna
Wadsworth
Stow finished the season with a 5-4 record for a major improvement over their 1960 campaign. Not sure if it was Larry, but I noticed in the Wadsworth box score that a Csonka played tackle in the game for Stow.

1962
Hoban (at St. Mary Stadium)
at Green
Norton
at Kent Roosevelt
at Springfield
Ellet
at Tallmadge
Coventry
Ravenna
at Wadsworth
Stow finished the season 9-1 and won the Metro League championship. Their lone defeat came against nonleague foe Hoban. Csonka played FB this season. Incidentally, Wadsworth exited the Metro after this season.

1963
Hoban
Green
at Norton
Kent Roosevelt
Springfield
at Ellet
Tallmadge
at Coventry
at Newton Falls
Ravenna
The Bulldogs finished a disappointing 3-6-1 in 1963.

Attachment is the article from Csonka's last HS game.
There is a PAC connection to Csonka. His cousin Tom Csonka played guard and defensive tackle at Manchester 76, 77, 78, and 79 seasons. Of course, Manchester was in the AOL at the time.
 
It's Friday and What Have We Learned This Week

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T-minus one week to graduation. No time for a long post. But sitting on the deck for the first time this year. Not going to rush it … but it’s one of those monumental moments of the year which means we’ve reached summer (almost) and we’re closer to football season.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t note the loss of the greatest football player ever today.


Jim Brown. Ernie Davis. Floyd Little. The Syracuse 44’s. Two of the three were Cleveland Browns.

And to almost bring it home to the PAC … or at least Summit County, then came Larry Czonka. From Stow. I couldn’t find any Stow Bulldogs schedules from 1960-63 to see if Czonka played any modern day PAC schools. But there is no Czonka at Syracuse without Jim Brown first paving the way. The best there ever was.

91 days til kickoff. Have a great weekend!
Nice deck! When you having this PACtion group over for eats and adult beverages!
 
That is an interesting observation....why do you see them wanting to exit?
I've heard rumblings for a few years that they haven't been too happy in the PAC. I could see them wanting to get in a league with other East District schools. Maybe the IVC, maybe even form a new league with other nearby schools that don't like their current situations. If Tuslaw would come along, all the better, but I think Fairless would make a move without them if the opportunity presents itself.
 
I've heard rumblings for a few years that they haven't been too happy in the PAC. I could see them wanting to get in a league with other East District schools. Maybe the IVC, maybe even form a new league with other nearby schools that don't like their current situations. If Tuslaw would come along, all the better, but I think Fairless would make a move without them if the opportunity presents itself.
I just don't see this happening, the commute for them is the best situation possible, the school sizes are about as close to even as you're going to get, and they've been very competitive in the sports that their community cares about
 
I've heard rumblings for a few years that they haven't been too happy in the PAC. I could see them wanting to get in a league with other East District schools. Maybe the IVC, maybe even form a new league with other nearby schools that don't like their current situations. If Tuslaw would come along, all the better, but I think Fairless would make a move without them if the opportunity presents itself.
I just don't see this happening, the commute for them is the best situation possible, the school sizes are about as close to even as you're going to get, and they've been very competitive in the sports that their community cares about
I'm usually behind the wheel or in the front seat of the bus driving over Fairless, but this would really shock me. They got their wish in pushing CVCA out, the newest league members are less than 20 miles from their campus . . . what issues could they have?

That said (getting back in the bus), I just read the article where their new superintendent was announced back in FEB. Missed it the first time, but it looks like they hired a guy that, aside from 4 years in college, has never lived or worked anywhere else but the Fairless district. Has nothing to do with them moving leagues, but that just stuck out to me as slightly odd.
 
I've heard rumblings for a few years that they haven't been too happy in the PAC. I could see them wanting to get in a league with other East District schools. Maybe the IVC, maybe even form a new league with other nearby schools that don't like their current situations. If Tuslaw would come along, all the better, but I think Fairless would make a move without them if the opportunity presents itself.
Fairless should make a decision best for them - not if Tuslaw goes with them or not.

Those schools spent decades being in different leagues and can again.
 
I've heard rumblings for a few years that they haven't been too happy in the PAC. I could see them wanting to get in a league with other East District schools. Maybe the IVC, maybe even form a new league with other nearby schools that don't like their current situations. If Tuslaw would come along, all the better, but I think Fairless would make a move without them if the opportunity presents itself.
I can't imagine any reason the IVC would want to invite Fairless unless there is a single IVC member looking to leave. Even them, I'm not exactly sure how attractive Fairless would be to most of the league.
 
Here's your league:
1. Fairless
2. Tuslaw
3. Smithville
4. Orrville
5. Manchester
6. East Canton
7. Chippewa
8. Dalton

It won't happen but it's the best possible solution for the shrinking and growing that seemingly plagues the long term viability of the PAC in the minds of posters on here while keeping the commute times close to the current PAC for everyone. If that doesn't work in your headcannon feel free to substitute Sandy, Tusky, Springfield, Mogadore, and Rittman in whatever configuration best suits you
 
Here's your league:
1. Fairless
2. Tuslaw
3. Smithville
4. Orrville
5. Manchester
6. East Canton
7. Chippewa
8. Dalton

It won't happen but it's the best possible solution for the shrinking and growing that seemingly plagues the long term viability of the PAC in the minds of posters on here while keeping the commute times close to the current PAC for everyone. If that doesn't work in your headcannon feel free to substitute Sandy, Tusky, Springfield, Mogadore, and Rittman in whatever configuration best suits you
Fairless and Tuslaw leaving the PAC is one thing, but do you really think Smithville, Dalton and Chippewa would dare bolt from the WCAL? Haven't all those Wayne schools been in the same league together for an entire century, or very close to it? Why, the very fabric of Wayne County interscholastic athletics would be torn beyond all repair by such a betrayal! In a world in which conferences are constantly being made and remade, the WCAL has been a beacon of consistency. I shudder to think of a future without it.

The big school division of the IVC stands at six (Indian Valley, Tusky Valley, Ridgewood, Garraway, Sandy Valley and Claymont) so adding Tuslaw and Fairless would make for a solid 8 team league. The EBC is also at six, and makes sense geographically but Fairless and Tuslaw would be the two smallest schools there.

If the Falcons and Mustangs do depart, that does open a new world of possibilities for PACtion. With two open spots, there will no doubt be a plethora of hopeful schools chomping at the bit to join the storied realm that is the PAC. But who will they be? Coventry? Mogadore? Minerva? Bishop Sycamore? My suggestion is that all PAC supporters make preemptive efforts to explore the restaurants and golf courses that potential new members have to offer. Schools may come and go, but PACtion must live on!
 
Here's your league:
1. Fairless
2. Tuslaw
3. Smithville
4. Orrville
5. Manchester
6. East Canton
7. Chippewa
8. Dalton

It won't happen but it's the best possible solution for the shrinking and growing that seemingly plagues the long term viability of the PAC in the minds of posters on here while keeping the commute times close to the current PAC for everyone. If that doesn't work in your headcannon feel free to substitute Sandy, Tusky, Springfield, Mogadore, and Rittman in whatever configuration best suits you
I know this was clickbait, but was curious what it would look like so added this version of Bizzaro-PAC to the map on the league's wikipedia page. Leads to a couple thoughts:
1. That sound you hear is Triway spiting out their morning He Brews coffee.
2. Saving on travel costs is a huge benefit, but, other than East Canton, this version of the PAC is more tightly comingled than an Amish family reunion!
3. Tuslaw administration would be sweating & swearing if they had to join a league with Dalton after dropping them. 🤣
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I can't imagine any reason the IVC would want to invite Fairless unless there is a single IVC member looking to leave. Even them, I'm not exactly sure how attractive Fairless would be to most of the league.
I would highly guess the IVC would add your pick of Coshocton, River View, Harrison Central, and/or allow Conotton Valley to join full time before any other options happen.
 
I know this was clickbait
Yep.
1. That sound you hear is Triway spiting out their morning He Brews coffee.
Yep.
2. Saving on travel costs is a huge benefit, but, other than East Canton, this version of the PAC is more tightly comingled than an Amish family reunion!
Yep.
3. Tuslaw administration would sweating & swear if they had to join a league with Dalton after dropping them. 🤣
Yep.

Perfect post. LoL
 
Fairless and Tuslaw leaving the PAC is one thing, but do you really think Smithville, Dalton and Chippewa would dare bolt from the WCAL? Haven't all those Wayne schools been in the same league together for an entire century, or very close to it? Why, the very fabric of Wayne County interscholastic athletics would be torn beyond all repair by such a betrayal! In a world in which conferences are constantly being made and remade, the WCAL has been a beacon of consistency. I shudder to think of a future without it.

The big school division of the IVC stands at six (Indian Valley, Tusky Valley, Ridgewood, Garraway, Sandy Valley and Claymont) so adding Tuslaw and Fairless would make for a solid 8 team league. The EBC is also at six, and makes sense geographically but Fairless and Tuslaw would be the two smallest schools there.

If the Falcons and Mustangs do depart, that does open a new world of possibilities for PACtion. With two open spots, there will no doubt be a plethora of hopeful schools chomping at the bit to join the storied realm that is the PAC. But who will they be? Coventry? Mogadore? Minerva? Bishop Sycamore? My suggestion is that all PAC supporters make preemptive efforts to explore the restaurants and golf courses that potential new members have to offer. Schools may come and go, but PACtion must live on!
No offense but.....

Tuslaw joining a league with Salem, West Branch, Minerva, Carrollton, and Marlington.....(n)

Tuslaw joining a league with Indian Valley, Tusky Valley, Ridgewood, Garaway, Sandy Valley and Claymont(n)(n)(n)

The geography is not ideal, travel costs not ideal, attendance would be a decrease, and it will not result in any significant upgrade in wins in the sports that "matter" to the district residents.

Everyone knows Tuslaw has wanted in the Wayne County Athletic League since the Nixon administration and it won't happen. It's funny how historically Tuslaw wants in the WCAL so badly and if that happened....I guess by default DALTON would become their main rival and what would the adults who pushed to deemphasize and/or eliminate that game do about that?

If Fairless wants to dodge buggies and go into the deep woods of Tuscarawas County, they can have at it. It's a great part of Ohio but not my ideal sports league location for The Slaw. I highly doubt the Mustang Mini Van Moms of Sippo Reserves or Kenyon Creek will want to send their softball stars down to West Lafayette Ridgewood on a Tuesday night.

The IVC's only worry should be some of their schools becoming SO small they go to 8-man football (Strasburg, TCC). But even then they'd only need 1-2 schools to add and I believe they'll add someone like Coshocton or River View first. They tend to go "south" in their geography.

If Wildcat 71 can come on here with another comment pushing for Mogadore in the PAC and/or a new league of former Portage County League schools with Manchester and then Stizo floats another Doylestown to the PAC rumor, my internet commenting tenure will be complete.

I wouldn't have been so quick to shove out CVCA, but alas, the PAC is fine at 7 schools.

#PACtion
 
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Fairless and Tuslaw leaving the PAC is one thing, but do you really think Smithville, Dalton and Chippewa would dare bolt from the WCAL? Haven't all those Wayne schools been in the same league together for an entire century, or very close to it? Why, the very fabric of Wayne County interscholastic athletics would be torn beyond all repair by such a betrayal! In a world in which conferences are constantly being made and remade, the WCAL has been a beacon of consistency. I shudder to think of a future without it.

The WCAL is as sturdy as the Amish made furniture in Kidron and as traditional as Hartzler Dairy chocolate milk in a glass bottle.
 
I know this was clickbait, but was curious what it would look like so added this version of Bizzaro-PAC to the map on the league's wikipedia page. Leads to a couple thoughts:
1. That sound you hear is Triway spiting out their morning He Brews coffee.
2. Saving on travel costs is a huge benefit, but, other than East Canton, this version of the PAC is more tightly comingled than an Amish family reunion!
3. Tuslaw administration would sweating & swear if they had to join a league with Dalton after dropping them. 🤣
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Was literally just going to say, switch out East Canton for Triway.
 
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