simkon
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What stadium do you propose the OHSAA should rent? Specify a few if you would like, but please be specific.
OHSAA Wants To Continue To Play State Football Title Games In Canton...WHY?
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Not saying it has to be a specific one. Just saying using rent as an excuse or reason not to go to certain venues is invalid due to the surpluses OHSAA has created.
simkon
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Well Akron Infocision hosted a playoff game for Hoban in the earlier rounds and did so at a large loss, which made them and other MAC schools re-evaluate their facility rental fees and other ancillary charges associated with stadium rental. How much do you think it would cost to rent a MAC stadium?
Basically the larger venues have set their terms to potentially host and the OHSAA does not like the terms so has gone with Benson in Canton. All of the larger venues besdies Benson and PBTS want to get all or most of the ticket revenue in addition to large rental fees and other fees.
The population center of Ohio is about 1/3 of the way between Columbus and Cleveland right off I71. So no, Dayton is going the wrong way.
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That should be just one consideration. Not the sole deciding factor. How many millions is OHSAA sitting on?
I guess you never came to a Div 2 championship that involved Massillon.
simkon
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I have no idea, but just stating the facts. All I know is if the OHSAA would have accepted the bid made by Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, the OHSAA would be bankrupt right now and way in the red, that is what was communicated in a newspaper article from I think the Cincinnati Enquirer.
Then it makes sense to put them at Canton/Massillon no need for this thread.
Feel free to link the article since you are claiming this to be factual information. 17.9 million cash and investments in hand for OHSAA in 2023. Are you claiming holding the playoffs in Cincinnati the last 2 years would have cost OHSAA over 18 million. Please do the math. Partial credit may be given if you show your work.
simkon
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No not over the last 2 years, it was from when Paul Brown Stadium put in their bid to whatever year the article was published. The state championships would not have generated any revenue and instead would have only been an expense if Paul Brown Stadium hosted under their terms, in which the OHSAA would not get any cut of ticket sales and have to pay a large facilities rental fee. I saw the article in passing, when I happened upon that other article which I cited with the quote from Stried about Canton and Massillon offering to host with no facilities rental fees.
Didn't see in any article that 0 revenue would be generated. Did see that host site requested a portion of ticket sales, but definitely not OHSAA getting zero cut. Stried's comment implies the decision was made with the primary implication being OHSAA makes more money.
simkon
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The article was from some time back where the newspaper journalist actually conceded that it makes sense that the football state championship games would never be in Southwest Ohio/Cincy/Dayton etc.
I am busy with paperwork for the State of Indiana so I don't have time to find it again, but it is there. It was back in August when I originally came upon the article.
You claimed to be stating facts, but those don't appear to be discoverable.
One journalist's opinion at the time may be less valid today.
simkon
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Using actual numbers from the bid submitted by Paul Brown Stadium isn't an opinion. That is what was published in this article. The article was from sometime in the mid to late 2000s if that helps any.
Dayride
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There are over 1 million people within an hour of Dayton compared to about 600K within an hour of Canton. if anything it is getting closer to the majority of Ohio's population. Population center do not really do much in this case since there are a lot of rural counties in Ohio.
simkon
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From the 2020 census, 5,633,962 people currently reside within approximately an hour of Canton. FWIW, Cleveland and most of its suburbs are only an hour as well as Akron & Youngstown and their suburbs.
Not sure how relevant a 15 or so year old newspaper report is. My point really is that using rent as your determining factor is irrelevant when your surplus is approaching 20 million.
simkon
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It is relevant when that bid is very similar to what all the major stadiums everyone suggested should host would cost the state. The only bids that made sense financially were those of Canton and Massillon, because all the others would actually be at a loss rather than at a profiit.
Dayride
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Damn I got the large font for a response. I was just going by city population of Dayton Cincy and Cbus. It would probably be at least 5 million if I took into consideration suburbs and surrounding counties. NEO has lost some populations since 2020 Southeastern Ohio has grown in population in that timeframe.
simkon
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This is the esitamted number for 2022 for pretty much all of Southwestern Ohio (includes the Dayton and Cincy area):
2,950,285
Columbus is over an hour away from Dayton, it is about an hour and 30 minutes usually at a minimum.
If you want to count Columbus, I can tack on all the areas of Cleveland and Warren etc that I left out of NEO, and make it within an hour and a half or two hours roughly.
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Why didn't you inlcude the fact that they have just 9 months worth of expenses on hand? Or include what half the 17.9 has already been designated for?
The OHSAA is a business. Paying through the nose because someone doesn't understand the totality of a financial report is no way to run any business.
And before you say it, yes, they screw things up from time to time, but this isn't one of them.
And by the way, the dalily rental fee for Paul Brown Stadium is quite hefty. When you add the fact they persit on demanding a portion of the ticket sales (a deal breaker for the OHSAA), they always get a "thanks, but no thanks..... we can do it cheaper elsewhere".
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Dayride
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1 hour and 30 minutes? Come on "Driving Miss Daisy" people make that trip in an hour. Even driving your speed its still a half hour closer than Canton. Plus it is 6 lanes all the way to the stadium which is right off 75.
simkon
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I actually had occasion to drive from Columbus to Dayton just the other day and it took over 2 hours, but it was during rush hour traffic. And I generally drive 75 mph on the interstate when the speed limit is 70 mph.
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6 lanes ??
Thavoice
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Canton really does seem like the only place that really cares to host the games, and now that their stadium redone, and more going up around it, it really is a good place for the championships.
As much as I thought the games at teh Shoe were cool, and the players loved playing in that iconic stadium, it is just way too cavernous and Ohio state doesnt GAF.
Cincy. Hell No. One of the biggest gripes about NEO is the drive for those on the western half. You cannot complain about that drive but then propose to play in cincy. Also, didnt mikeboybrown not allow, or wanted to not allow, HS bands to play at hafltime years ago?
As much as I thought the games at teh Shoe were cool, and the players loved playing in that iconic stadium, it is just way too cavernous and Ohio state doesnt GAF.
Cincy. Hell No. One of the biggest gripes about NEO is the drive for those on the western half. You cannot complain about that drive but then propose to play in cincy. Also, didnt mikeboybrown not allow, or wanted to not allow, HS bands to play at hafltime years ago?
Dayride
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Three lanes east three lanes west.
Dayride
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You don't drive 80-100 mph and then call your lawyer if you get pulled over? Or is he only on retainer for water disputes?
simkon
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I actually haven't got a legtimate speeding ticket in my life. Though recently I drove my brother to the Cleveland Clinic to perform last rites for one of his parishioners who died shortly after my brother and I arrived, and I had a police escort yet I got quite a few camera speeding tickets. I am presently awaiting a response from several as to how they plan to proceed, a few were smart and apologised already.
I once got pulled over for going too fast for conditions, driving 45 mph in a 55 mph zone on SR 46, then got pulled over for impeding traffic by driving 25-30 mph less than a mile down the road in the same 55 mph zone and then got a third ticket for too fast for conditions for driving 40 mph in the 55 mph zone. I was driving to work at like 3 or 4 AM, and it was very foggy out at the time. One ticket was OSHP, one was Mahoning County Sheriff, and one was Canfield police.
Another time on I-71 someone in an indentical vehicle to me went flying by doing around 100 mph, the person in the aircraft above must have got mixed up or didn't notice the other guy get off immediately on the next ramp for Washington Court House and they tried to say they calculated my speed at 107 mph but offered me the chance to plea guilty to driving 85 in a 70.
Yet another time on I-80 in Girard I got pulled over for driving 64 mph in a 65 mph zone which the Girard police claimed was a 55 mph construction zone because the contractor mistakenly left one sign up on the other side of the highway. I presented an affadavit from the state of Ohio asserting that the speed limit was 65, despite the sign, and judge still ruled against me.
So I have had my fair share of fun with speeding tickets.
Kent State missed an excellent opportunity to relocate the stadium in town during the construction boom of the last 20 years. A new stadium would have been walking distance ( not a bus ride) from campus. In addition the bars and restaurants would have been packed ( especially about the 3rd quarter) when the home team was on the losing end. But hey our KSU motto" WIN OR LOSE, WE STILL GOT BOOZE"!!