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Insane92 said:
Would Chuck Kyle succeed at those places? Tiger LaVerde? Chip Otten? Tim Tyrell? I mean you could plug any of the great current coaches and ask the same question. Goodwin is, in my opinion, the best HS coach in Ohio ever with using what he has (not being at a huge 1000+ enrollment school where you have hundreds of boys that could go out) and implementing a system that maximizes what he inherits every year.
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This, most HS coaches make players fit their system, Goodwin makes his system fit the players to maximize their talent.
 
I used to wonder how the successful Private school coaches would do at public schools.
I remember the Ursuline coach who won their first state title moved to a public school shortly after. His name and the school are lost to me for the moment (Westerville?) and it did not go well. I also remember following Reardon when he left UHS also after all those titles and went to a Colorado Public I believe. Then came back to McKinley before returning to UHS to turn them around from a long slump.
I can’t think of any others off the top of my head.
 
CJK84 said:
The majority - probably the vast majority - of Marion's football success is due to Tim Goodwin. Perhaps people get tired of hearing about him, but he is amazing.
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You could not be more right! Would love to know what other coaches across the nation, have accomplished this much in this time frame?
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Yes, but for the Flyers to def. teams like Wapak, ML is not going to stand toe to toe usually, need to be able to throw the football as they did this year.
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This is spot on. Watched every game this weekend. MSML consistently does more with what they have than anyone else. Some (most?) have more “talent” but no one is more all-around sound than the Flyers. That doesn’t happen by accident.
 
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Raylan_Givens said:
Think you’re asking the wrong question- do those communities want to win or are they happy fielding teams and not being inconvenienced by what it takes to be great?
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Goodwin always says it's a quest to be perfect. Sometimes you can be perfect and still lose the game. Would any of these schools let there be a quest for perfection or would they step on his toes whenever they don't like something is the ultimate question.
 
Scipio said:
I used to wonder how the successful Private school coaches would do at public schools.
I remember the Ursuline coach who won their first state title moved to a public school shortly after. His name and the school are lost to me for the moment (Westerville?)
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Jim Vivo and he coached at Westerville North. He only stayed for one year and then moved back to the valley.
 
EagleFan said:
Is Tim Goodwin that great of a coach? I mean, if he took job at say St. Charles or Massillon Jackson, would he turn them into contenders?
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In my estimation he would win no matter where he went. There are hundreds of D5,6 and 7 schools that have similar circumstances, small rural community, not blessed with crazy talent or size and not a lot of transfers. Yet nobody can touch them. They would win titles in D5,6 and 7 and outside of Glenville they’d be right there in D4.
 
Insane92 said:
Would Chuck Kyle succeed at those places? Tiger LaVerde? Chip Otten? Tim Tyrell? I mean you could plug any of the great current coaches and ask the same question. Goodwin is, in my opinion, the best HS coach in Ohio ever with using what he has (not being at a huge 1000+ enrollment school where you have hundreds of boys that could go out) and implementing a system that maximizes what he inherits every year.
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And Kyle did it in D1 against other loaded D1 programs. Not to mention having to search to find teams to actually play his teams.

Stop trying to compare MSML to the upper division. They are the best small school program ever in Ohio. That’s not a bad thing or a slight.
 
PDC said:
And Kyle did it in D1 against other loaded D1 programs. Not to mention having to search to find teams to actually play his teams.

Stop trying to compare MSML to the upper division. They are the best small school program ever in Ohio. That’s not a bad thing or a slight.
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Wasn’t comparing ML to St Iggy. He specifically asked if Goodwin is a great coach. Yes, he absolutely is. Then I mentioned if OP though other great coaches would succeed at the places OP mentioned.
 
Insane92 said:
Wasn’t comparing ML to St Iggy. He specifically asked if Goodwin is a great coach. Yes, he absolutely is. Then I mentioned if OP though other great coaches would succeed at the places OP mentioned.
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He’s a fantastic coach. What MSML is doing is amazing and doesn’t look like it will ever slow down.
 
Dr. Frasier Crane said:
It helps that he is the High School Principal and his Athletic Director is the Defensive Co-Ordinator.
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I guess you have a point but both were already coaches even before they had their current positions at ML and were already having success.
 
wait until Ohio goes to 7 basketball state champions.. possibly as soon as next year.. you will start to see dominate numbers like Coach Goodwin is putting up ... alot easier to win a state title against 100 teams then it is against 200 teams in your division like basketball had been since it went to 4 divisions in 1987...
Taking nothing away from what he has accomplished because it is truly amazing... but

I have an old friend who coached basketball when it was 3 classes , "A" "AA" and "AAA" from 1971 to 1986 ... heck he coached when it was only 2 divisions Class "A" and "AA" in the 1950s and 1960s ..
his squads won over 500 games, trips to the Final Four at St Johns Arena and 12 trips to the Regionals... many of those years were as one of the smallest "AA" teams ... give him 7 divisions he has 8 state titles easy instead of none..
 
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serpico said:
I’m a Marion Local fan and I don’t understand those (more than just you) who say ML would win D5 and D6. Games against Kirtland and Perry would be super competitive, but I’d have Kirtland as a coin flip game and Perry even tougher to win.
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Appreciate the humbleness, and that's part of what makes you're team & their story so great. That said, having watched those 5 & 6 games my take is:
Kirtland - would be super physical. Probably very similar to last year's game, but as great as this Kirtland team is, they're not one of those really special ones that have beaten y'all in the past.
Perry - if it was the regular season, full strength Perry then it would be VERY close. But Perry was reduced to 1 superior athlete on offense & barely able to beat a team that had no passing game. Pretty sure Coach G would have found a work around for that.

NOTE - this is NO disrespect to Kirtland or Perry. Love both of those teams, just an observation from the weekend.
 
Still trying to figure out why all this intelligence was split over two threads.

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serpico said:
I’m a Marion Local fan and I don’t understand those (more than just you) who say ML would win D5 and D6. Games against Kirtland and Perry would be super competitive, but I’d have Kirtland as a coin flip game and Perry even tougher to win.
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Just my opinion, and you would know better being a ML fan, but I think they are so well coached that it evens out any disparity in talent.
 
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PDC said:
And Kyle did it in D1 against other loaded D1 programs. Not to mention having to search to find teams to actually play his teams.

Stop trying to compare MSML to the upper division. They are the best small school program ever in Ohio. That’s not a bad thing or a slight.
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Goodwin has done this in 5,6 and 7 with I think the best title was ML beating Ursuline.

I sense sour grapes from you and Eagle fan. He takes home grown kids and like others said runs the spread, old school I formation or whatever it takes to win.

Come on with your other loaded teams comment we all know the catholics are always the most loaded teams in D1. Anyone could run behind that St. Ed's line this year.
 
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TriangleMan said:
Kirtland has 19 appearances.

Looking at the data from a minimum of 50 playoff games...

% - School - # Games - Record

0.8947 Maria Stein Marion Local 114 102-12
0.8442 Kirtland 77 65-12
0.8116 Delphos St. John’s 69 56-13
0.8028 Akron Archbishop Hoban 71 57-14
0.8018 Coldwater 111 89-22
0.7973 Versailles 74 59-15
0.7822 Cleveland St. Ignatius 101 79-22
0.7727 St. Henry 66 51-15
0.7471 Lakewood St. Edward 87 65-22
0.7391 Columbus Bishop Hartley 69 51-18
0.7377 Trotwood-Madison 61 45-16
0.7373 Newark Catholic 118 87-31
0.7333 Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 90 66-24
0.7297 Youngstown Ursuline 74 54-20
0.7273 Cleveland Benedictine 66 48-18
0.7260 Toledo Central Catholic 73 53-20
0.7188 Chardon 64 46-18
0.7064 Steubenville 109 77-32
0.7027 Pickerington HS Central 74 52-22
0.6949 Mentor Lake Catholic 59 41-18
0.6932 Columbus St. Francis DeSales 88 61-27
0.6923 Clarksville Clinton-Massie 65 45-20
0.6912 Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary 68 47-21
0.6852 Avon 54 37-17
0.6829 Kettering Archbishop Alter 82 56-26
0.6822 Mogadore 107 73-34
0.6818 Germantown Valley View 66 45-21
0.6750 Cincinnati St. Xavier 80 54-26
0.6739 Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller 92 62-30
0.6667 Warren John F. Kennedy 75 50-25
0.6667 Cincinnati Colerain 72 48-24
0.6667 Minster 54 36-18
0.6628 Massillon Washington 86 57-29
0.6622 Columbus Bishop Watterson 74 49-25
0.6620 Norwalk St. Paul 71 47-24
0.6615 Liberty Center 65 43-22
0.6538 Cleveland Glenville 52 34-18
0.6462 Cincinnati Elder 65 42-23
0.6462 Mentor 65 42-23
0.6379 Hilliard Davidson 58 37-21
0.6316 Amanda-Clearcreek 57 36-21
0.6316 Hamler Patrick Henry 57 36-21
0.6300 Ironton 100 63-37
0.6296 Canfield South Range 54 34-20
0.6226 St. Mary's Memorial 53 33-20
0.6167 Newark Licking Valley 60 37-23
0.6154 Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit 52 32-20
0.6066 Orrville 61 37-24
0.6056 Canton McKinley 71 43-28
0.6032 McComb 63 38-25
0.6032 Shadyside 63 38-25
0.6024 Wheelersburg 83 50-33
0.6000 West Jefferson 60 36-24
0.5970 Cincinnati Wyoming 67 40-27
0.5781 Hamilton Badin 64 37-27
0.5769 Danville 52 30-22
0.5738 Cuyahoga Heights 61 35-26
0.5556 Avon Lake 54 30-24
0.5556 Marion Pleasant 54 30-24
0.5098 Toledo Whitmer 51 26-25
0.5000 Huber Heights Wayne 50 25-25
0.4600 Akron Manchester 50 23-27
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No Clyde?
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Edit: wow, I assumed Fliers had at least 50 Playoff games. Just one short at 32-17
 
Crimson and Black said:
In my estimation he would win no matter where he went. There are hundreds of D5,6 and 7 schools that have similar circumstances, small rural community, not blessed with crazy talent or size and not a lot of transfers. Yet nobody can touch them. They would win titles in D5,6 and 7 and outside of Glenville they’d be right there in D4.
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I love the Marion area, but Goodwin would have had the same success he has had over the past 20 years, if he were the coach at any MAC school, and probably most of the schools that fall in the D4 to D7 range. In small high school sports coaching is everything.
Just in our little area - History shows this
St Henry was dominate from 1984 to 2002 - (Heckman retires - they win 2 more to 2006) Then a struggle - Kids didn't change, coaching did.
Versailles was dominate from 1980 to 2003 - (Hetrick retires) Program doesn't win for 15 years or so
Coldwater was competitive - Reed comes and they are dominate, this success has been extended, but not to the level of Reed.

So Marion was just lucky to hire Kramer and create a complete dumpster fire at the end of the 90's, so we were ready for Goodwin to come in. Timing is everything.
 
OhioBob1989 said:
25 years, 20 regional championships, 14 state championships, and 3 runner-ups.
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Just seeing this is crazy, when you factor in he built it and they are a small school that has to work with eb and flow of enrollment make this even more impressive. I would like to know how many assistants he has had over the years. Like how many are still there from his first season?
 
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