Harrison (OH) Realignment Discussion

footballsalads43 said:
Sycamore to the ECC makes sense geographically. But would walnut hills go to the CMAC then? Or are they are stuck without a home?
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Sycamore rejected a move to the ECC a few years ago, mainly because they feel the GMC is still the superior league and also because Princeton wouldn't join with them in the move. There would be some motivation to go there still with neighboring schools in Kings, Loveland, and Milford, but, again, they would want Princeton to join them and this probably only happens if the GMC as a whole breaks up.
 
JBaller said:
Sycamore rejected a move to the ECC a few years ago, mainly because they feel the GMC is still the superior league and also because Princeton wouldn't join with them in the move. There would be some motivation to go there still with neighboring schools in Kings, Loveland, and Milford, but, again, they would want Princeton to join them and this probably only happens if the GMC as a whole breaks up.
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Princeton isn’t leaving the GMC so I doubt sycamore will either then.
 
cincifbfan said:
Consistently?

Only time they are interested in a DII team or lower is if they are thinking they'll win 7-8 games or an out of state power coming into the Pit.

They definitely don't consistently play those teams, there's plenty around that could be scheduled, but GCL-S doesn't do it.
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We have played Bishop Chatard many times and they are D3.
 
Vincent and Regina said:
We have played Bishop Chatard many times and they are D3.
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So many people have reading comprehension issues.

I said, Elder will only play lower division teams in Ohio if they think they are going to win 8 or so games. Otherwise, it's OUT OF STATE POWERHOUSES, which Chatard is since they have 17 state titles.

How is this complicated to understand?
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
I agree Harrison would never schedule all four GCL schools in a season. However, the GCL schools would jump at the chance to play Harrison. They struggle annually to find games and in some cases are traveling 200 + miles which is a challenge for the entire program (players, family, fans, freshmen and jv teams, etc).

Why would they be against a local team willing to play them home and home annually?
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I don't think StX or Moeller struggle to find games. I say that because StX put the Cathedral series on hold because they had a number of other schools they wanted to play. StX and Moeller like traveling, it is part of the allure of playing football for their programs. As a player you like to travel and play teams in other states. Football is an expensive sport for travel, but StX and Moeller travel in style. I have been on road trips with both programs as a parent and an uncle. I don't know enough about Lasalle or Elder to comment.
 
cincifbfan said:
Outside of LaSalle, Elder rarely plays DII or lower Ohio teams. As I said, Elder will only consider it if they believe the opponent will give them a bunch of Harbin points, which is why they agreed to play Withrow, who won 9 games last year. That's why they were playing Winton Woods, but when they got beat a couple of times, they stopped scheduling them.

Elder and GCL-S is about prestige and brand. They bring in these out of state powers because it's what is cool.....look, we are doing something that nobody else around is doing, playing teams from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. It hypes the fanbase and the donors. The donors don't want to see Elder beat up on Harrison. Or God forbid, Harrison has a fluke and somehow wins, then the sky would be falling.

Go ahead and do your research, and you will see that I'm right, it's out of state teams, or a D2 "Harbin Cow" that Elder is confident they can beat. I'm willing to bet it would be really easy to schedule Hoban, Massillon, Steubenville, Ursuline, Watterson with 1 phone call. Heck, they could probably get McNick or Alter pretty easily. Let's not forget about East Central, or any other teams in NKY that I'm sure would love to cross the river to try to hang with the big boys.

The point I'm making is if you talk to enough ADs, they all say how difficult it is to work anything out with any of the GCL-S schools. I really believe that the GCL "Scheduling problems" are of their own doing. With how easy it is to make the playoffs now, no way all these schools with open weeks are ducking anyone anymore.
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I think this is very true
 
FourthAndOne said:
I don't see the GLC teams scheduling Harrison, they just don't need the game.
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La Salle and Elder would play Harrison in my opinion. St. X and Moeller might pass on them or whatever because they want to play other opponents and they might not get much out of Harrison, fine, understandable. But La Salle and Elder have good reasons to play Harrison. La Salle can get a good D2 R8 opponent and Elder can create a new west side rival since oak hills won’t play them any more. Again, i don’t know these schools at all, but from my prospective I see good reasons for elder and la Salle to play Harrison.
 
cincifbfan said:
So many people have reading comprehension issues.

I said, Elder will only play lower division teams in Ohio if they think they are going to win 8 or so games. Otherwise, it's OUT OF STATE POWERHOUSES, which Chatard is since they have 17 state titles.

How is this complicated to understand?
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How long has Elder been playing LaSalle? Didn't they play Withrow this year? Back when we were playing Winton Woods they were D2.
cincifbfan said:
There's zero chance Harrison schedules all 4 GCL South schools in a season, even if they are independent. There's even a lesser chance that the D-1 GCL-S schools schedule Harrison until they actually become D-1.
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In no part of the statement I was replying to mentions NON Ohio teams.

Keep moving the goal post after you have been proven wrong.
 
FourthAndOne said:
I don't see the GLC teams scheduling Harrison, they just don't need the game.
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So you are saying they would prefer they ride a bus for 100 miles instead of 20 miles? In the past Elder has played locals when the locals agree. Winton Woods, Withrow, Ryle. In 2026 they are schedule to play East Central. Next year they go up to Indy Chatard. So you are telling me they are willing to drive through Harrison, but it is too difficult for them to stop in Harrison?
 
Vincent and Regina said:
How long has Elder been playing LaSalle? Didn't they play Withrow this year? Back when we were playing Winton Woods they were D2.
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I have addressed all of this already. But let me say it yet again.

Yes, they have been playing LaSalle since LaSalle has been DII because they have to....you know the whole conference thing.

They did play Withrow this year because they thought Withrow would win 7 or more games. At no other point has Elder had any interest in Withrow until they won 9 regular season games.

Yes, Elder was playing Winton Woods but Elder stopped the series according to Winton Woods Coaches then.

I know it's part of the identity that "we are so special and nobody wants to play us" but it's GCL schools own doing. Live with the bed you made.
 
footballsalads43 said:
Yeah who knows, Thought when I heard it that it was some bs. Saw another thread on it somewhere, people where saying the CHL was unstable. My best guess is to get away from Wyoming and IH as Taylor is usually bottom half in football, but all other sports they compete well. People on here only look at football. Taylor has nowhere to go either. They are on the wrong side of Cincinnati for the SBAAC, and the only other logical fit would have been the EIAC maybe, but that would be very complicated. I do think the CHL would be better off without Deer Park and Finneytown though, they aren't competitive in any sports, and the CMAC is better fits for them. The remaining 6 schools work well enough
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DP and FT moving makes sense. Not sure who the CHL would bring in to replace them
 
cincifbfan said:
Yes, Elder was playing Winton Woods but Elder stopped the series according to Winton Woods Coaches then.
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Elder played Winton Woods annually from 2012 to 2019 which lines up with the demise of the FAVC and when Winton Woods joined the ECC. Elder would have continued the series had the Warriors remained independent.
 
93 red ls said:
DP and FT moving makes sense. Not sure who the CHL would bring in to replace them
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Yes I agree 100%. I think if the SBAAC American implodes they can grab New Richmond or Batavia, I think they would fit great. Bethel Tate on the national side wouldn’t be bad either. But none of them are leaving the SBAAC unless they are forced to via implosion. Maybe they try private schools? CHCA and McNick come to mind. Thoughts on that?
 
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cincifbfan said:
Yes, Elder was playing Winton Woods but Elder stopped the series according to Winton Woods Coaches then.
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Elder played Winton Woods every year from 2012 to 2019.

What changed. Winton Woods joined the ECC in 2020. But in your mind that is Elder not wanting to play Winton Woods.


Heck look at that 2019 Winton Woods schedule. Elder, LaSalle, Moeller, and St Eds.

Maybe Harrison should talk to Elder, and make Harrison join a different conference.
 
Since joining the ECC in 2020 (and scheduling 46 regular season games), Winton Woods has only played a GCL South team in the regular season once--La Salle in 2021. In other words they’ve stopped scheduling GCLS teams.

But I would love to hear more about how Elder is ducking Winton Woods.
 
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EHS 2001 said:
Since joining the ECC in 2020 (and scheduling 46 regular season games), Winton Woods has only played a GCL South team in the regular season once--La Salle in 2021. In other words they’ve stopped scheduling GCLS teams.

But I would love to hear more about how Elder is ducking Winton Woods.
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Like I said, I got my info from Multiple WW coaches about who stopped scheduling who.

But it is possible WW stopped, we don't know. All I know is GCL schools constantly say nobody wants to schedule them, but never say what schools have turned them down or who they've even had conversations with that didn't work out for a whatever reason. Other schools have no issue talking about those sorts of things. And from every AD Ive talked to, they all say how difficult GCL schools are to work with. It's their way or no way.

But you're right, we'll keep the illusion that poor GCL schools are being bullied by everyone for not including them.

Only Elder folks can turn a conversation about Harrison and Conference shuffling into something about them.
 
Vincent and Regina said:
So you are saying they would prefer they ride a bus for 100 miles instead of 20 miles? In the past Elder has played locals when the locals agree. Winton Woods, Withrow, Ryle. In 2026 they are schedule to play East Central. Next year they go up to Indy Chatard. So you are telling me they are willing to drive through Harrison, but it is too difficult for them to stop in Harrison?
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100 percent. GLC teams are going to travel for good competition every time, especially Moeller and StX.

Again it is part of the allure of the programs. Players, parents, and alumni like traveling for road games against really good teams. The only local public school teams that StX plays is because there is a relationship with the Head Coaches and/or something else like Herbstreit getting StX together with Centerville.

It is not meant to be a knock on Harrison. They have a solid program.
 
footballsalads43 said:
La Salle and Elder would play Harrison in my opinion. St. X and Moeller might pass on them or whatever because they want to play other opponents and they might not get much out of Harrison, fine, understandable. But La Salle and Elder have good reasons to play Harrison. La Salle can get a good D2 R8 opponent and Elder can create a new west side rival since oak hills won’t play them any more. Again, i don’t know these schools at all, but from my prospective I see good reasons for elder and la Salle to play Harrison.
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I can agree with this, but even then it is still probably a stretch.
 
footballsalads43 said:
The CMAC Blue in football is looking real rough these days, they are losing DC to the SWBL. So I think the CMAC Blue is going to need filled out. Finneytown and Deer Park would be great fits and then they can finally compete and get away from the CHL. Move Woodward over to the Blue and Move Mt. Healthy in the Red. I think this makes sense overall.
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I can maybe see that if you only look at football. Other sports, not so much. Finneytown's 2021/22 basketball team was pretty bad, went 1-13 in the CHL...but beat DPCR by 33, Riverview East by 41, Spencer by 51-9. Soccer rarely schedules down that far, the last CMAC game was a 9-1 win three years ago. Deer Park baseball would be the same.

Not sure FT would want to give up golf or tennis either, or DP bowling.
 
cincifbfan said:
Like I said, I got my info from Multiple WW coaches about who stopped scheduling who.

But it is possible WW stopped, we don't know. All I know is GCL schools constantly say nobody wants to schedule them, but never say what schools have turned them down or who they've even had conversations with that didn't work out for a whatever reason. Other schools have no issue talking about those sorts of things. And from every AD Ive talked to, they all say how difficult GCL schools are to work with. It's their way or no way.

But you're right, we'll keep the illusion that poor GCL schools are being bullied by everyone for not including them.

Only Elder folks can turn a conversation about Harrison and Conference shuffling into something about them.
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We know it is Winton Woods because they joined a conference that plays 9 league games. Elder and Winton Woods played in Week 8. Winton Woods plays a league game in week 8. Those Winton Wood coaches don't know how a league schedule works.

Elder is a good option for Harrison if they need a game. So is the rest of the GCL.
 
Vincent and Regina said:
We know it is Winton Woods because they joined a conference that plays 9 league games. Elder and Winton Woods played in Week 8. Winton Woods plays a league game in week 8. Those Winton Wood coaches don't know how a league schedule works.

Elder is a good option for Harrison if they need a game. So is the rest of the GCL.
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So week one was obviously not an option, only week 8 worked for Elder. Sorry. Thanks for educating me on league scheduling.

You are literally proving they are difficult to work with but too much of a fan to realize it.
 
cincifbfan said:
I have addressed all of this already. But let me say it yet again.

Yes, they have been playing LaSalle since LaSalle has been DII because they have to....you know the whole conference thing.

They did play Withrow this year because they thought Withrow would win 7 or more games. At no other point has Elder had any interest in Withrow until they won 9 regular season games.

Yes, Elder was playing Winton Woods but Elder stopped the series according to Winton Woods Coaches then.

I know it's part of the identity that "we are so special and nobody wants to play us" but it's GCL schools own doing. Live with the bed you made.
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This is pretty accurate.
 
If Elder can get a winnable Harbin cow, they will play it.

Elder will have interest in Harrison if it benefits them. And Elder will also try to strong-arm all home games.
 
Doublehelix said:
If Elder can get a winnable Harbin cow, they will play it.

Elder will have interest in Harrison if it benefits them. And Elder will also try to strong-arm all home games.
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This is understandable. Harrison has a consistency issue, they are usually a good team and win 7+ games but they have weird years where they aren’t too good. But I think Elder would love a new west side rival, so that’s where I think most of Elders interest would come from, but this is just my opinion. Everyone has good points on this discussion so far!
 
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