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No one….Walnut Hills, and Talawanda are the only ones that have the athletic support. Northwest, Mt Healthy don’t offer all the sports and are better CMAC fits. Talawanda May be too far of a ride for many of the schools.
Harrison (OH) Realignment Discussion
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footballsalads43
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Well, they are an improvement for the league over Withrow. I don’t think Withrow was competitive in anything during their time in the ECC
footballsalads43
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If the CHL ever loses Deer Park and Finneytown it’ll just be the 6 remaining schools staying together, weeks 4-5 in the cincy area is becoming really easy to schedule
HSFB Fan
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Correct, Withrow should have not made the jump to big time HS play.
footballsalads43
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I think what needs to happen is Middletown needs to leave the GMC and go to the GWOC and then the GWOC can add trotwood back and get to 10 teams, and then Harrison can take that last GMC spot. Harrison will be D1 soon enough and they would be more competitive than Colerain and Middletown in almost every sports except maybe basketball for Middletown? But Middletown is a founding GMC member so that isn’t happening.
HSFB Fan
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Deer Park has a couple good rivals. Finneytown honestly is a MVC fit or maybe CMAC in the small school division. Dont let Bill Cunningham know DP cannot compete in the CHL...
HSFB Fan
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The GMC has screwed up by not growing.... or, with reallignment... only one OCC game in football yes helps with scheduling but lets be honest schools and fans would like 2 at a minimum.
Trottwood honestly struggles like WW in fielding varsity teams. The Dayton League really fits the make up of the school since Trottwood struggles in fielding JV programs and womens varsity programs.
Middletown and Colerain both need to leave the GMC since they struggle to field programs at all levels in "all" sports. Harrison and West Clermont could fill the void and have more competitive teams at Freshman, JV and Varsity levels. (Unless NWLSD can get their act together and combine HS and have a Freshman campus with busing). Middletown to the GWOC
Sycamore IMO would be a better fit in the ECC opening up a third spot in the GMC for... Lebanon... Yes they are a good fit for the ECC but I would say they would do well in the GMC as a growing district that fields a lot of programs. Springboro would be another great edition to the GMC with its growth. All keyboard thoughts and most likely will never happen but who knows...
softball513
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Winton Woods in ECC Conference Games
Football 32-5
Girls Volleyball 0-86
Girls Soccer 0-42
Boys Soccer 4-37-1
Boys Golf 0-15 only 2 years
Boys Cross Country no team
Girls Cross Country no team
Girls Golf 0-7 no team since 2021
Girls Tennis 0-9 only team 2022
Boys Basketball 33-26
Girls Basketball 41-22
Boys Wrestling 9th 10th 9th 8th
Boys Swimming 10th 10th T9th 2024 no team
Girls Swimming 6th 10th 10th 2024 no team
Boys Bowling 1-50
Girls Bowling 4-48
Baseball 0-73
Softball 0-71
Boys Tennis No team
Boys Lacrosse 0-31
Boys Track 10th 10th 10th 4th
Girls Track 9th 9th 9th 9th
Football 32-5
Girls Volleyball 0-86
Girls Soccer 0-42
Boys Soccer 4-37-1
Boys Golf 0-15 only 2 years
Boys Cross Country no team
Girls Cross Country no team
Girls Golf 0-7 no team since 2021
Girls Tennis 0-9 only team 2022
Boys Basketball 33-26
Girls Basketball 41-22
Boys Wrestling 9th 10th 9th 8th
Boys Swimming 10th 10th T9th 2024 no team
Girls Swimming 6th 10th 10th 2024 no team
Boys Bowling 1-50
Girls Bowling 4-48
Baseball 0-73
Softball 0-71
Boys Tennis No team
Boys Lacrosse 0-31
Boys Track 10th 10th 10th 4th
Girls Track 9th 9th 9th 9th
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softball513
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Lebanon doesn't grow they have been a small Division 1 since 2000
footballsalads43
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Sycamore to the ECC makes a ton of sense but apparently them and Princeton want to stay together. I also think Milford and West Clermont both make more sense in the GMC, but the ECC is an okay fit too.
Colerain has lost their attraction. Their football team isn’t competitive anymore, and they aren’t competitive at much of anything else. Them and Northwest need to combine.
I also think Centerville needs to get away from the GWOC. I would like to see them in the GMC. Split the GMC into two divisions. Big Schools and small schools. East, West, Centerville, Oak Hills, Mason, Hamilton and then Harrison, Colerain, Middletown, Princeton, Sycamore, Fairfield. Maybe switch some schools around as I don’t have enrollment numbers off the top of my head
Travel wouldn’t be bad at all
HSFB Fan
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Not an attractive resume to join a league...At least they are not like Mt healthy and NW forfitting varsity seasons on various sports....
HSFB Fan
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Off Cook road and up by WCCC there are several developments. Like Harrison, it is an attractive area for those fleeing Hamilton County.
softball513
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Yes Lebanon grows but are OHSAA numbers don't grow that much. We got passed bye Little Miami in boys numbers
footballsalads43
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But that 32-5 in football and winning basketball record will keep them in the ECC. They are competitive in the money sports and at the end of the day it’s a win-win for Winton Woods and the rest of the ECC
KurtanskyField
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Yes Id love to see them and Oak Hills play in baseball!!!!!! I'd probably root for Highlanders in this oneWith Harrison growing at the rate it is the GMC or ECC seems as the only likely conference worth taking them. Seems like every time I go to white water to Golf there is a new "parks of whitewater" subdivision popping up!
People are saying Mt. healthy and NW going to CMAC. Northwest will Merge w/Colerain some point in the near future. it just makes too much $ and cents (sense) for that district to go that route.
although difficult Harrison has the connections with long tenured coaches and Meibers that can make the scheduling work. The only sport that would see issues obviously football.
Id love for Harrison to get into the GMC so we can see the Harrison vs OH baseball match up
TheStuff142
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ECC & GMC have said they do not want Harrison at this time due to having an even # of teams. ECC is THE fit for Harrison. Why Walnut Hills is in any conference except CPS is beyond me they are not good at anything. Same for WW except for football and basketball. Harrison will never schedule regular season GCL teams in football. Not happening, all you GCL diehards can propose on social media, ask plead, and beg it will not happen. Indiana seems to be the ONLY option for now. I do not see Independent as an option.
footballsalads43
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As much as we would all like to see Harrison in the GMC or ECC, at this point in time it’s not going to happen as already been stated they are at an even 10 teams. I think their best option that’s in Ohio is the SWBL. People are going to say Harrison is too far out, but it really isn’t. Bellbrook to Harrison is 4 minutes longer then Bellbrook to Ross. Bellbrook to Talawanda is actually the drive that is going to suck the most in that league being mostly backroads and it’s longer then Bellbrook to Ross/Harrison. At least to Ross/Harrison it’s mostly 75/275 driving. If the SWBL can find another big school to join with Harrison they might as well do it. Get it to 8 big 8 small, or just keep it at 7 big schools, and find a game week 4-10, uneven schools is only an issue in football. Only long term issue is size, Harrison is getting big.
cincifbfan
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And I expect that number to grow.
Little Miami has the potential to be as large as Mason in 20 or so years. Little Miami's district is MASSIVE geographically, and it's only a matter of time before Drees, Fischer, and other builders buy up all the farmland.
TommyWilson2002
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This is a great point and I don't think people are taking this into account. Pay to play is taking it's toll on a lot of districts. Heck, it damn near destroyed Ross. Many districts are scrambling to try and find ways to cut costs, and transportation seems to be at the top of the conversation list.
UnTouchableVoL33
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Eek!
I've always assumed that Walnut Hills is not a CMAC school is because they are so much bigger. In reality so is Western Hills. Size wise they are ECC, GMC schools.
footballsalads43
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Walnut hills would compete well in the CMAC compared to the ECC, but with the issues the CMAC is having with safety walnut hills is probably isn’t interested in going there anytime soon.
I agree. Walnut Hills might compete in the CMAC. But beating schools half your size doesn't help with Harbin points, etc. On the other hand they are 1-6 with the only win over 0-7 Western Hills so who knows.
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footballsalads43
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Good point. But currently with how their athletic department is, they just need to get wins and build some confidence and morale in their athletics first. Get more kids interested into athletics by winning. While sacrificing Harbin points will stink, a move to the CMAC could be beneficial in the long run in getting some morale around campus for their athletic programs!
in spite of college conferences ignoring geography (ie stanford in the atlantic coast conference) the ecc is not "the" fit for harrison. harrison is not in eastern cincinnati...or anywhere close. weeknight games from harrison to anderson, turpin, west clermont is at minimum a 40 minute bus ride. absolutely brutal for kids and families
footballsalads43
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The ‘ECC’ is just the name of the conference and I don’t think that should hold a team back. If travel times are really a concern they can just split the conference in two. 45 minute bus rides aren’t the end of the world. Lebanon to West clermont is already 40 minutes, Harrison to west clermont is 46 minutes.. not that much of a difference. Sure geographically Harrison may be better for the GMC, but neither conference is taking Harrison until they have an opening anyways. But if the ECC had an opening they would 100% consider Harrison
TommyWilson2002
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I'm just curious, brutal in what way? Let's say the Varsity game takes place around 7:00, the game will likely wrap up around 8:30. Everyone would be back in the comfy confines of their homes no later than 10:00. That doesn't seem unreasonable, especially when you're talking about maybe once a week. It's not like kids are going to bed early nowadays anyhow.
cincifbfan
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Only in Google Maps and after midnight with no traffic would this only be 46 minutes. You are at bare minimum 1 hour with traffic and even longer on a yellow cheese wagon.
TheStuff142
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If I was ECC I would boot WW and Walnut (neither care about sports) and go hard after Harrison and Sycamore. Sycamore is tough get...because they view the GMC as the top shelf league and they also cant let Mason have something nicer and shinier.Eek!
TheStuff142
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100%. Harrison HS to Milford HS is 40 min. I drove basically that for 5 years.