Harrison (OH) Realignment Discussion

How about relegation in the ECC or GMC who every finishes last in the all sports trophy. Harrison can take spot of the ECC team or GMC team there choice
 
93 red ls said:
I am not sure where this "rumor" is from but as someone whom is very close to administrators and athletics that's 10000% false. Why would Taylor want to leave the CHL? They have won/competed more in the CHL in the past 10 years than they did for the previous 15 prior to that.

They are top 1-2 in enrollment.
Going to SBAAC they would be 3-4 biggest.
Add onto that traveling for league games would be a nightmare.
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Yeah who knows, Thought when I heard it that it was some bs. Saw another thread on it somewhere, people where saying the CHL was unstable. My best guess is to get away from Wyoming and IH as Taylor is usually bottom half in football, but all other sports they compete well. People on here only look at football. Taylor has nowhere to go either. They are on the wrong side of Cincinnati for the SBAAC, and the only other logical fit would have been the EIAC maybe, but that would be very complicated. I do think the CHL would be better off without Deer Park and Finneytown though, they aren't competitive in any sports, and the CMAC is better fits for them. The remaining 6 schools work well enough
 
aztecjim said:
Size-wise the MVL. Geographically not many options. Even Monroe is getting too big for the SWBL. I wonder if they could/would start a new league with Franklin, Fairborn, Stebbins, Miamisburg, Monroe, West Carrollton AND I have a bad feeling this may happen sooner rather than later-Alter, C-J, Carroll.
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The GCL Co-Ed disbanding?
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
IMO Harrison should get into the GMC in place of Colerain. Harrison is growing and Colerain is shrinking (unless they combine with Northwest).

If Harrison is looking for football games, the entire GCL South would be willing to play them home/home ongoing every year.
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I don't agree with that. Maybe Elder and Lasalle, but I don't see StX doing that at all and thinking Moeller would take a hard pass as well.
 
The Illusive 2-point said:
So nobody has really addressed the fact that both the GMC and ECC have 10 teams already in most sports, how would they add Harrison? They all play 9 league games already, do you want them to play 10??? You could split them into divisions but you’d have to find another school that wants to join to have an even number, but who really wants that in a high school sports conference????
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This has been addressed. Its the reason Harrison hasn't joined the ECC/GMC yet and probably won't for a long long time. 10 teams in a conference is just easy, and makes scheduling simple.
 
FourthAndOne said:
I don't agree with that. Maybe Elder and Lasalle, but I don't see StX doing that at all and thinking Moeller would take a hard pass as well.
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Moeller has played East Central the last 3 years. They would definitely play Harrison. St. X, who knows, I'm sure if Harrison asked for a series St. X would be intrigued at least.
 
footballsalads43 said:
The GCL Co-Ed disbanding?
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It is a dysfunctional league, especially for the travel. I don't think it will be around much longer. RB left because they could see the MVC makes a lot more sense. It would not surprise me to see McNick and Badin join the MVC for the same reasons. I would imagine if that happens Fenwick would also want to join the party.
 
footballsalads43 said:
Moeller has played East Central the last 3 years. They would definitely play Harrison. St. X, who knows, I'm sure if Harrison asked for a series St. X would be intrigued at least.
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Moeller played East Central because of some relationships. StX doesn't add anyone to the schedule unless they are Catholic/Jesuit, a friend of the program, or an out of State school willing to play at StX. Centerville and Withrow were both added because of relationships. Don't see Harrison happening.
 
FourthAndOne said:
Moeller played East Central because of some relationships. StX doesn't add anyone to the schedule unless they are Catholic/Jesuit, a friend of the program, or an out of State school willing to play at StX. Centerville and Withrow were both added because of relationships. Don't see Harrison happening.
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Does that Centerville relationship involve a Centerville alum who's son plays for St. X?
 
FourthAndOne said:
It is a dysfunctional league, especially for the travel. I don't think it will be around much longer. RB left because they could see the MVC makes a lot more sense. It would not surprise me to see McNick and Badin join the MVC for the same reasons. I would imagine if that happens Fenwick would also want to join the party.
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Interesting, well Badin and Fenwick could also entertain the SWBL big side.. Geographically they fit, and the SWBL did just add a private school.
 
GCL Co-Ed disbanding? Maybe just morphing into a "Greater Christian League".

Fenwick is not headed for the SWBL big side. They would be the smallest school in the whole league and enrollment is flat. Badin would also be too small for the big school division. About 30 boys smaller than the present smallest Franklin.

Disclaimer-ish. When I talk about enrollment I use actual counts. Not competitive balance numbers.
 
There's zero chance Harrison schedules all 4 GCL South schools in a season, even if they are independent. There's even a lesser chance that the D-1 GCL-S schools schedule Harrison until they actually become D-1.
 
footballsalads43 said:
This has been addressed. Its the reason Harrison hasn't joined the ECC/GMC yet and probably won't for a long long time. 10 teams in a conference is just easy, and makes scheduling simple.
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OTOH since much of the state seems to be in love with multi-division conferences, Mount Healthy and Harrison to either could happen.
GMC/Big School Division-Hamilton, East, West, Fairfield, Mason, Cole-west (North-rain?),
GMC-Not As Big School-Division Middletown, Sycamore, Oak Hills, Princeton, Mount Healthy, Harrison
 
cincifbfan said:
There's zero chance Harrison schedules all 4 GCL South schools in a season, even if they are independent. There's even a lesser chance that the D-1 GCL-S schools schedule Harrison until they actually become D-1.
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I agree Harrison would never schedule all four GCL schools in a season. However, the GCL schools would jump at the chance to play Harrison. They struggle annually to find games and in some cases are traveling 200 + miles which is a challenge for the entire program (players, family, fans, freshmen and jv teams, etc).

Why would they be against a local team willing to play them home and home annually?
 
cincifbfan said:
There's zero chance Harrison schedules all 4 GCL South schools in a season, even if they are independent. There's even a lesser chance that the D-1 GCL-S schools schedule Harrison until they actually become D-1.
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I think Elder would definitely schedule them. They played Winton woods when they were independent and D2.
 
aztecjim said:
GCL Co-Ed disbanding? Maybe just morphing into a "Greater Christian League".

Fenwick is not headed for the SWBL big side. They would be the smallest school in the whole league and enrollment is flat. Badin would also be too small for the big school division. About 30 boys smaller than the present smallest Franklin.

Disclaimer-ish. When I talk about enrollment I use actual counts. Not competitive balance numbers.
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Don’t mind me, I went off of football divisions 🤣 I didn’t look up Badin and Fenwicks actual enrollment. So yeah, my bad
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
Elder plays teams that are considered DII & and lower all the time.
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Elder and La Salle would both love to schedule Harrison, and wouldn’t complain about it. Also the NE Ohio private schools Ed’s, Iggy and Hoban would all Im sure play Harrison too. They too struggle to find games in state.
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
Elder plays teams that are considered DII & and lower all the time.
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Consistently?

Only time they are interested in a DII team or lower is if they are thinking they'll win 7-8 games or an out of state power coming into the Pit.

They definitely don't consistently play those teams, there's plenty around that could be scheduled, but GCL-S doesn't do it.
 
Harrison needs Sycamore to join the ECC and the ECC needs to move on from Walnut, who is in over their heads in athletics. Harrison to the GMC would be a nice fit as their community continues to grow.

GMC is starting to clearly become the has and the has nots, so maybe Harrison should make a run at starting a new league.

Harrison
Ross
Edgewood
Oak Hills
Colerain (Northwest combining)
Fairfield
Hamilton
Winton Woods
Talawanda (maybe)
?????
 
cincifbfan said:
Consistently?

Only time they are interested in a DII team or lower is if they are thinking they'll win 7-8 games or an out of state power coming into the Pit.

They definitely don't consistently play those teams, there's plenty around that could be scheduled, but GCL-S doesn't do it.
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Well they did play Winton Woods from like 2012-2019 every year. Yes Winton Woods was before a good team, but Harrison isn't a bunch of scrubs. You can make an argument that Moeller or St. X won't play them and I can see that, but I don't know. I feel like Elder would definitely play Harrison on a yearly basis. But I am not going to act like I am close to the Elder athletic department either so.
 
footballsalads43 said:
Well they did play Winton Woods from like 2012-2019 every year. Yes Winton Woods was before a good team, but Harrison isn't a bunch of scrubs. You can make an argument that Moeller or St. X won't play them and I can see that, but I don't know. I feel like Elder would definitely play Harrison on a yearly basis. But I am not going to act like I am close to the Elder athletic department either so.
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Harrison has to fill 7 games a year. You would think that Harrison and Elder would be a no-brainer each and every year. Just like Elder Oak Hills should be a no-brainer for week 1.
 
WhoDeyThink said:
Harrison needs Sycamore to join the ECC and the ECC needs to move on from Walnut, who is in over their heads in athletics. Harrison to the GMC would be a nice fit as their community continues to grow.

GMC is starting to clearly become the has and the has nots, so maybe Harrison should make a run at starting a new league.

Harrison
Ross
Edgewood
Oak Hills
Colerain (Northwest combining)
Fairfield
Hamilton
Winton Woods
Talawanda (maybe)
?????
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Sycamore to the ECC makes sense geographically. But would walnut hills go to the CMAC then? Or are they are stuck without a home?
 
WhoDeyThink said:
Harrison needs Sycamore to join the ECC and the ECC needs to move on from Walnut, who is in over their heads in athletics. Harrison to the GMC would be a nice fit as their community continues to grow.

GMC is starting to clearly become the has and the has nots, so maybe Harrison should make a run at starting a new league.

Harrison
Ross
Edgewood
Oak Hills
Colerain (Northwest combining)
Fairfield
Hamilton
Winton Woods
Talawanda (maybe)
?????
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I really wouldn't be shocked by new leagues forming in the next few years.
 
cincifbfan said:
Harrison has to fill 7 games a year. You would think that Harrison and Elder would be a no-brainer each and every year. Just like Elder Oak Hills should be a no-brainer for week 1.
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100% agree. I also think La Salle is a no-brainer. And with Elder moving La Salle to week 4, Harrison-Elder Week 10 every year would be great if you ask me. Harrison needs to man up and play them though
 
cincifbfan said:
Consistently?

Only time they are interested in a DII team or lower is if they are thinking they'll win 7-8 games or an out of state power coming into the Pit.

They definitely don't consistently play those teams, there's plenty around that could be scheduled, but GCL-S doesn't do it.
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Yes, all the time. I don't have the time to do the research at this moment but I'd guess Elder plays at least 1-2 DII or lower teams (not counting LaSalle) every year.

Of course, Elder wants to play teams that win games.

Who are the plenty of teams around willing to play the GCL S teams? Why would Elder be against a local team willing to play them home and home annually? It would save them thousands of dollars in travel and or fee's they must pay for out of state powers to make the trip in.
 
PURPLE REIGN said:
Yes, all the time. I don't have the time to do the research at this moment but I'd guess Elder plays at least 1-2 DII or lower teams (not counting LaSalle) every year.

Of course, Elder wants to play teams that win games.

Who are the plenty of teams around willing to play the GCL S teams? Why would Elder be against a local team willing to play them home and home annually? It would save them thousands of dollars in travel and or fee's they must pay for out of state powers to make the trip in.
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Outside of LaSalle, Elder rarely plays DII or lower Ohio teams. As I said, Elder will only consider it if they believe the opponent will give them a bunch of Harbin points, which is why they agreed to play Withrow, who won 9 games last year. That's why they were playing Winton Woods, but when they got beat a couple of times, they stopped scheduling them.

Elder and GCL-S is about prestige and brand. They bring in these out of state powers because it's what is cool.....look, we are doing something that nobody else around is doing, playing teams from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. It hypes the fanbase and the donors. The donors don't want to see Elder beat up on Harrison. Or God forbid, Harrison has a fluke and somehow wins, then the sky would be falling.

Go ahead and do your research, and you will see that I'm right, it's out of state teams, or a D2 "Harbin Cow" that Elder is confident they can beat. I'm willing to bet it would be really easy to schedule Hoban, Massillon, Steubenville, Ursuline, Watterson with 1 phone call. Heck, they could probably get McNick or Alter pretty easily. Let's not forget about East Central, or any other teams in NKY that I'm sure would love to cross the river to try to hang with the big boys.

The point I'm making is if you talk to enough ADs, they all say how difficult it is to work anything out with any of the GCL-S schools. I really believe that the GCL "Scheduling problems" are of their own doing. With how easy it is to make the playoffs now, no way all these schools with open weeks are ducking anyone anymore.
 
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