Tarblooder_Rocketgrad
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Well… A lot of these same folks wanted Stroud benched after one half against Minnesota in 2021.
Canton McKinley Football 2024
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Benchboss1
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Just a thought, but does any McKinley fan think that the OC was hired to lay the groundwork to get the QB this year, knowing that Rode was graduating?
CantonAnon
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Considering I don’t know any of them personally, I can’t say if you’re right or wrong. I will say that McClellan was a pretty good QB coming up if it was a big enough necessity.
Benchboss1
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I agree, he was at the freshman level. I remember watching him be a pain in the backside of the freshmen Tigers. Having said that, not sure him at QB makes the Bulldogs better.
This is it right there. If McKinley had brought him in and helped him to elevate as quarterback just think how good he would be right now. We don’t really need transfers. We need coaches to put the kids in the right positions on defense and offense and let them grow. And give them the right schemes. Too many people with too many personal agendas have been the biggest problem. It’s an adult problem.
too much misinformation on this site.
would be great if some of this conjecture was truth instead of trickles of truth surrounded by large amounts of speculation.
I am not arguing opinions of what people think or how they feel but quite a bit that is being spewed as fact is simply not.
I do not deny with this last performance that things should not be questioned. However we shall see how the story goes as the rest of the season unfolds. I have no defense nor will provide any for the hiring of the OC nor will I defend the OC - any and all OCs (or DCs for that matter) can defend themselves with their production in the games. If the production of those units are not what people are looking for then expect the clamor to crescendo until the end of the season when the appropriate time for change occurs.
would be great if some of this conjecture was truth instead of trickles of truth surrounded by large amounts of speculation.
I am not arguing opinions of what people think or how they feel but quite a bit that is being spewed as fact is simply not.
I do not deny with this last performance that things should not be questioned. However we shall see how the story goes as the rest of the season unfolds. I have no defense nor will provide any for the hiring of the OC nor will I defend the OC - any and all OCs (or DCs for that matter) can defend themselves with their production in the games. If the production of those units are not what people are looking for then expect the clamor to crescendo until the end of the season when the appropriate time for change occurs.
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Benchboss1
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Yep. Too much wasted talent. And that’s another reason McKinley loses kids. Parents don’t trust that their kids will be given the chance to live up to their full potential due to all of the adult agendas.
CantonAnon
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First of all, just so nobody misconstrued what I said previously, I do think Montgomery is a very good QB. I do believe he would look even better in a more organized offensive scheme.
My point was that if Hall hired the OC partially to bring in the QB, it wasn’t the biggest need. In high school football, good coaching trumps good talent all the time and what McKinley needs more than a D1 QB is a good OC. Once again, I have no clue if this was the case but fairly bringing up the hypothetical.
I also think if kids want to transfer to McKinley, they are welcome to. Nobody in or around the program should be trying to keep transfers out. Not because there is a lack of talent in Canton, but because iron sharpens iron. Can never have enough.
My point was that if Hall hired the OC partially to bring in the QB, it wasn’t the biggest need. In high school football, good coaching trumps good talent all the time and what McKinley needs more than a D1 QB is a good OC. Once again, I have no clue if this was the case but fairly bringing up the hypothetical.
I also think if kids want to transfer to McKinley, they are welcome to. Nobody in or around the program should be trying to keep transfers out. Not because there is a lack of talent in Canton, but because iron sharpens iron. Can never have enough.
pup pounder
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Mckinley always made Massillon better. I sure hope y'all are able to put the pieces together. I haven't read every post, but it sounds like many are giving up on your team and coach already. Maybe this "Case" team was better than you thought. From the outside looking in, Mckinley will always have the talent, the cultural attitudes just need tweaked. Can Hall do it, I'm thinking if he can't then no one can. On a positive note, I drove by the new activity center, very impressive.
RogueStarkGuy
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This is the attitude I find so common with Canton people (let alone Massillon) and so utterly confusing. Can someone please tell me WHY with Hall's zero previous coaching experience, that there is this belief if "he can't do it, no one can." Sounds like people are making these decisions based purely on emotion. There is zero logic behind that statement. Jack Rose is a nice guy who had won a state championship who had to go against the best McKinley teams in history. Shepas had talent and was tough as nails. Spider Miller was a born a bred Canton guy. Filtz won a state championship. No one was saying "if he can't get it done, no one can" about any of those guys. But people do about Hall. It's mindboggling. Being from Canton, or being buddies with specific people from Canton, seems to be a prerequisite for every leadership job in that district now. It's small time, defeatest thinking. And it's killing McKinley and CCSD. Maybe my problem is I find a lot of redeeming things about Canton, and no one who actually works there does. But I'm not giving up on the possibility of better, even if everyone says to. Sorry.
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Benchboss1
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While not from Canton, or a McKinley fan, but I think Hall would have been a great choice for the McKinley job, IF he had had some previous experience running a program, and had gotten the job before the program got to where it is now.
I have always believed that the jobs at Massillon and McKinley should NEVER be a football coaches first head coaching job. That is not only unfair to the coach, but the kids, program and town as well.
Benchboss1
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If this is true, that is inexcusable.
Well said, Benchboss1, as are comments from RogueStarkGuy (#223). It is not only Unfair to hire a head football coach at McKinley or Massillon, in reference to, as Benchboss1 stated, the town, the program, the kids, and to the coach as well, it is grossly unfair and disrespectful to the two winningest programs in Ohio history, as well as to two of the top ten winningest programs in the nation! Hiring a HC with zero experience in running a prominent football program is preposterous, but that is exactly what the CCSD did in 2021. Yes, it was a very critical point in time, in conjunction with the previous HC and majority of coaching staff being jettisoned; however, Hall could have been given a one-year contract to stabilize things, while a special search committee was formed to identify credible, well-qualified, coaching candidates. In any event, here things stand in the midst of a s_ _ _ show!
And all of that falls on the board president at the time, JR Rinaldi, Board and Suoerintendent, Jeff Talbert. And those same people are still around with all of their agendas that always seem to fail and make McKinley worse off. Maybe that whole group needs to go. They are a bunch of black cats. Most of them were never Bulldogs. Now every move they make pushes McKinley back to lows we’ve never been before.
Oil Filter
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IMHO, CCSD has become more about cultural comfort than competence.
Talbert for sure is not a Bulldog. Ex-Timken, Ex-Alliance guy. No deep loyalties to McK. He needs to go! As for Rinaldi, I will only say that I have known him for many years, and he truly is a long-time Bulldog supporter. However, Rinaldi is also incompetent and should not have any influence on head coach hiring decisions, for any sport. His critical thinking skills are all but gone. Rinaldi is another member of the Canton Board of Education who opposes an open enrollment policy. He is living in the 1980s era.
He’s been circling the wagons for 4 years. He’s had enough time. Again. It’s time for him to fire himself.
And it’s insane, JR Rinaldi goes from being a McKinley ball boy with a GED to running Canton City Schools with his own agenda for McKinley and you wonder why McKinley football is in the pits. How could it not be! Sorry to be offensive to people with GEDs.
Raymo
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See you at BC Stadium…BAM!
Lefthook37
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This sounds like a job for SUPPER MAN !!!!!!
just a fan
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Their talent advantage is neutralized by a gazillion penalties, including 4-5 personal fouls. Should be running clock, instead a hail Mary pass gives them a 21-6 lead at the half.