We've had several threads like this in the various forums and we have a certified official that is willing to answer questions about the rules of the game. Feel free to ask the questions in this thread.
I know you asked AllSports personally - so you can take this FWIW or ignore it.AllSports, can you explain how officials are taught to call rebounding position/fouls... aka the "over the back" call?
If an official sees a deliberate push or shove, it should always be called, no question about it.Sorry didn't mean to exclude other officials, and I appreciate the response. Your answer is exactly what I understood the rule to be with the 'principle of verticality'.... it amazes me how often esp in the girls game that when a shot goes up, offensive players literally two hand push/shove defenders who have great position in the back to gain position and get offensive rebounds. As a coach, I tell my kids to not let them push them under the basket and to be stronger, but the call still should be made more often than it is.
"AllSports, can you explain how officials are taught to call rebounding position/fouls... aka the "over the back" call?
1). I've watched over 100 games easy the last 5 years, plus JV and AAU and have NEVER seen a foul called. Especially if 2008 was supposed to start an emphasis1) What you describe is a foul. In fact, this was a point of emphasis in 2008. That being said, it's still a judgment call by the official. More consistency is desired and it's getting better, but it's not where it should be.
2) Again, purely a judgment call by the official. "Swarming" is not a foul, provided illegal personal contact is not involved. What the rules committee is trying to do with the emphasis on elbow contact above the shoulders is eliminate the practice of getting the elbows outside the frame of the body. I agree that many times illegal personal contact is not called, however, the mere presence of two or more defenders in a legal position attempting to take the ball from the player in control is not a foul. Trying to "clear space" by flaring and then swinging elbows is illegal and should be called.
We are in the second year of the emphasis on elbow contact above the shoulders. We are a long way away from correcting it, but i think it will get better before it gets worse.
Under National Federation rules (High School), successive time-outs are permitted except after time has expired after the fourth or any extra period (overtime period).Question...might seem silly but Ive never seen it done but could see a need for it ...can you call back to back time outs?..like in football. This would be used more in the youth level im sure. But lets say you call a time out to set up a press break..and when they go back on the floor the opposing team goes to a trap set up or something. Could you call another timeout once you seen what they were doing?
Without more details there's no way we can tell what happened here. If you have more information, you can share it and possibly we can discuss what may or may not have happened. If the discussion is just about what you didn't like about what the official did or did not do, I'll have to delete the comments.When did officials become sensitive to sideline comments between coach and player? Going so far as to become confrontational.
This rule is widely misunderstood. A carry is an illegal dribble, technically a double dribble. The dribble ends when the dribbler "palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands" (4-15-4b). We get this violation only when the hand is directly under the ball, so that it comes to rest. If the ball handler dribbles again, the result is a palm/carry violation and a double dribble.Carrying the ball...
I don't regularly attend girls' high school basketball, but I went to the Magnificat/Lakewood game yesterday afternoon. The game was interesting for a half but it turned into a Mags' blowout. Mags' was a little better and wore Lakewood out with their depth.
One thing I noticed is that the players (both teams) carry the ball frequently (and egregiously imo) yet there were no violations called. I asked a parent of one of the players and he thought about it and said I guess you're right but I go to all of the games so I've gotten used to it and don't notice it.
Thoughts? Is this a violation that is being ignored in girls' HS b-ball?
Stowdawg......I have watched coaches over the years Get T'd up. I have watched them get tossed. All of these years I have never seen a official with a ax to grind ever be held accountable.
Say a coach was T up the last time he had this official and then the official comes back and blatantly calls the game against him. What accountability does
this official have.
I am sure a complaint to the state can be made. The coach is immediately suspended for 2 games fined 100 dollars and has to take anger management courses. When he is tossed from a game. I have seen over the last 20 years officials becoming more personal and coming into games with a chip on their shoulder.
What if anything can be done to hold these officials accountable. while the coach gets tossed the official calls a game the next day with no question.
Unless the free throws were being shot as a penalty for a Technical or Intentional Foul, or if the throws were to be attempted after time expired in any period, by rule B must occupy the low spot on each side of the free throw lane.Team A is shooting 2 from the foul line, does team B need to have anyone under the basket? A ref the other day made team B put two players down there as coach had all 5 near sidleline and coaching them on the first shot. Team B was on other side of half court
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