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maven said:
Do you mean in a single game, or back-to-back KO attempts? I'm guessing the latter (and it sounds as if there might be a story behind the question?).

By rule, no, no limit, as chs says. But if a team intentionally does it over and over—and I mean at least 3 or 4 times in a row for a varsity kicker—the referee is authorized to treat it as an "unfair act" (Rule 9-9-1) and impose whatever penalty he deems fair in order to get the game going again.
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A simple (to R's coach) "hey coach, you the ball is yours 5 yards ahead of where it went out of bounds" should stop this silliness after the 2nd or 3rd time..... 😉
 
The reason the question was asked was I and another poster on here once saw a game in which after the 3rd consecutive kick off out of bounds, they gave the coach two options only, to take the ball so many yards from the spot of the kickoff or where it went out of bounds, and did not give the option to rekick from 5 yards further back.
 
simkon said:
The reason the question was asked was I and another poster on here once saw a game in which after the 3rd consecutive kick off out of bounds, they gave the coach two options only, to take the ball so many yards from the spot of the kickoff or where it went out of bounds, and did not give the option to rekick from 5 yards further back.
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If that's what happened, then the officials erred in what they did. The options are either offered as prescribed by rule or the Referee invokes the "God Rule" and makes the ruling himself.

All that said, there is nothing illegal about strategically kicking the ball in a way that allows a team the chance to recover that free kick, even if the ball goes out of bounds repeatedly. If a coach somehow decides to repeatedly and intentially kick the ball out of bounds, there's some serious issues with said coach. Likewise, if the opponent of said coach keeps selecting the option of penalizing his opponent 5 yards from the previous spot and repeating the kick, he too has some issues that need to be addressed.

Neither of those decisions by the coaches make any sense whatsoever.
 
maven said:
Do you mean in a single game, or back-to-back KO attempts? I'm guessing the latter (and it sounds as if there might be a story behind the question?).

By rule, no, no limit, as chs says. But if a team intentionally does it over and over—and I mean at least 3 or 4 times in a row for a varsity kicker—the referee is authorized to treat it as an "unfair act" (Rule 9-9-1) and impose whatever penalty he deems fair in order to get the game going again.
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I'm not doing that. Every kick OOB is to R's advantage and no time should be coming off the clock.
 
WHERE IS THE BALL PLACED WHEN A KICKOFF GOES OUT OF BOUNDS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE RECEIVING TEAM'S 34-1 YARD LINES AND THE BALL IS UNTOUCHED AND THE RECEIVING
TEAM DOESN'T WANT THE BALL REKICKED?
 
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garydaddy1 said:
WHERE IS THE BALL PLACED WHEN A KICKOFF GOES OUT OF BOUNDS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE RECEIVING TEAM'S 34-1 YARD LINES AND THE BALL IS UNTOUCHED AND THE RECEIVING
TEAM DOESN'T WANT THE BALL REKICKED?
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R has 4 choices on a free kick that goes out of bounds untouched between the goals lines.... (options b,c, or d apply to your question)

a. Accept a 5-yard penalty from the previous spot and have K rekick;
b. Accept a 5-yard penalty from the succeeding spot;
c. Put the ball in play at the inbounds spot 25 yards beyond the previous spot; or
d. Decline the penalty and put the ball in play at the inbounds spot.
 
AllSports12 said:
R has 4 choices on a free kick that goes out of bounds untouched between the goals lines.... (options b,c, or d apply to your question)

a. Accept a 5-yard penalty from the previous spot and have K rekick;
b. Accept a 5-yard penalty from the succeeding spot;
c. Put the ball in play at the inbounds spot 25 yards beyond the previous spot; or
d. Decline the penalty and put the ball in play at the inbounds spot.
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Is there really any reason that option D should be chosen?
 
Kickoff to R's 10 yard line. R1 has one knee on the ground when he makes first contact with the ball (no possession), picks knee up, picks up ball and advances to R's 15 yard line. Ball is spotted at R's 15. Correct spot?
 
Question, so does high school football have the same rule that on 4th down, the only player that can advance a fumble is the one who fumbled? Saw a play last night, final minute where the QB fumbled, and a lineman picked up the ball and ran forward, didn't get the first down so there didn't need to be a ruling on it. Just made me think if he'd had got a first down or TD.
 
14Red said:
Question, so does high school football have the same rule that on 4th down, the only player that can advance a fumble is the one who fumbled? Saw a play last night, final minute where the QB fumbled, and a lineman picked up the ball and ran forward, didn't get the first down so there didn't need to be a ruling on it. Just made me think if he'd had got a first down or TD.
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No HS rule on this. The ball can be advanced by any player. Actually happened in our game last night and gave the team a first down.
 
Question, in the game I was at last night. Pandora Gilboa scored a touchdown on a play where defensive pass interference was called. They were given the touchdown AND the penalty was assessed on the kickoff? This is wrong, isn't it? If they accepted the penalty, they lose the TD and get 15 yards, if they decline the penatly, they get the score. But you don't get both, do you?
 
14Red said:
Question, in the game I was at last night. Pandora Gilboa scored a touchdown on a play where defensive pass interference was called. They were given the touchdown AND the penalty was assessed on the kickoff? This is wrong, isn't it? If they accepted the penalty, they lose the TD and get 15 yards, if they decline the penatly, they get the score. But you don't get both, do you?
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That was the correct call. Defensive penalties on scoring plays may be assessed on the succeeding kickoff.
 
This was a college game today but I feel like with the playoffs happening it’s be a good idea to get the exact ruling. K in punt formation, high snap goes over K1s head by 20 yards, K1 picks up the ball and kicks it just before R1 hits him. Official calls roughing the passer and automatic first down. Correct call but opposing fans obviously went crazy.
 
JackEd said:
This was a college game today but I feel like with the playoffs happening it’s be a good idea to get the exact ruling. K in punt formation, high snap goes over K1s head by 20 yards, K1 picks up the ball and kicks it just before R1 hits him. Official calls roughing the passer and automatic first down. Correct call but opposing fans obviously went crazy.
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By rule, unless contact is unavoidable because it is not reasonably certain that a kick will be made, it is roughing the kicker.

The snap hitting the ground and/or the ball being tipped is irrelevant to the ruling. The portion of the rule regarding the ball being tipped is different than the NCAA rule.

Also, under the NCAA rule the protection for the kicker ends when he carries or possesses the ball outside the tackle box before kicking the ball. That is not the case under NFHS Rules.
 
In the LSU/Alabama game, offensive player fumbled the ball near the sideline. Defensive player was scooping up the ball when the offensive player knocked it loose (offensive player was laying out of bounds from the waist down). Defense recovered and was awarded the ball.

Officials overturned the call and gave it to the offensive team where the player laying out of bounds touched it. Said ball was dead when it was touched by player out of bounds. Is this the same call in HS?

An extension of this call, if a defender has both feet out of bounds and tips a pass before a receiver catches it, would that also be a dead ball?
 
Last night in the Canton CC-Mogadore game, I nearly experienced a 'grand-slam' of incorrect rules knowledge on one play.

Mogadore's ball, 4th and 9 at the CC 11. Pass into the end zone. DPI called.

I whispered to my buddy "wait for it". From behind me I hear...

Fan1: "That was uncatchable!!!"
Fan2: "[expletive], automatic first down."
Fan3 (to Fan2): "There are no automatic first downs in high school."

Would've been a grand-slam if someone had said "They get the ball at the one."

This is the primary reason I enjoy this thread. Correct knowledge of the rules is a great asset.
 
TriangleMan said:
Last night in the Canton CC-Mogadore game, I nearly experienced a 'grand-slam' of incorrect rules knowledge on one play.

Mogadore's ball, 4th and 9 at the CC 11. Pass into the end zone. DPI called.

I whispered to my buddy "wait for it". From behind me I hear...

Fan1: "That was uncatchable!!!"
Fan2: "[expletive], automatic first down."
Fan3 (to Fan2): "There are no automatic first downs in high school."

Would've been a grand-slam if someone had said "They get the ball at the one."

This is the primary reason I enjoy this thread. Correct knowledge of the rules is a great asset.
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I really struggle to watch games from the stands. It's hard not to turn around and say something.
 
Yappi said:
In the LSU/Alabama game, offensive player fumbled the ball near the sideline. Defensive player was scooping up the ball when the offensive player knocked it loose (offensive player was laying out of bounds from the waist down). Defense recovered and was awarded the ball.

Officials overturned the call and gave it to the offensive team where the player laying out of bounds touched it. Said ball was dead when it was touched by player out of bounds. Is this the same call in HS?

An extension of this call, if a defender has both feet out of bounds and tips a pass before a receiver catches it, would that also be a dead ball?
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A loose ball is out of bounds when it touches anything, including a player or game official that is out of bounds.

Now, if a player intentionally goes out of bounds and Influence the play or intentionally touch the ball, that player is guilty of illegal participation.

in both it your situations, it’s simply a ball out of bounds by rule
 
I think this has been addressed before in this thread, but I cannot find exactly where. Also it never hurts to have a refresher:

P punts the ball at R's 35 yd. line.
P1 pops up the punt, and it hits the ground at R's 34 yd. line.
Ball bounces backward where P1 catches it at R's 37 yd. line.
Officials blow the play dead as soon as P1 caught it.

Correct call, or would P1 have had the opportunity to advance the kick since he recovered behind the neutral zone? Incidentally, I did not see anyone on the sideline yelling at P1 to run with the ball after he caught it. It looked like P1 had a clear path down the middle of the field to at least get the 1st down.
 
Mr. Slippery said:
I think this has been addressed before in this thread, but I cannot find exactly where. Also it never hurts to have a refresher:

P punts the ball at R's 35 yd. line.
P1 pops up the punt, and it hits the ground at R's 34 yd. line.
Ball bounces backward where P1 catches it at R's 37 yd. line.
Officials blow the play dead as soon as P1 caught it.

Correct call, or would P1 have had the opportunity to advance the kick since he recovered behind the neutral zone? Incidentally, I did not see anyone on the sideline yelling at P1 to run with the ball after he caught it. It looked like P1 had a clear path down the middle of the field to at least get the 1st down.
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Inadvertent whistle.

K will undoubtedly choose the option of replaying the down rather than take the result of the play which was the dead ball spot after this untouched kick resulting in 1st and 10 for R at their own 37.
 
AllSports12 said:
Inadvertent whistle.

K will undoubtedly choose the option of replaying the down rather than take the result of the play which was the dead ball spot after this untouched kick resulting in 1st and 10 for R at their own 37.
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I agree that K would undoubtedly make that choice. However, the end result was that the receiving team's offense took the field at the 37, and the game continued. Everyone acted as if that was the proper course of action.
 
Mr. Slippery said:
I agree that K would undoubtedly make that choice. However, the end result was that the receiving team's offense took the field at the 37, and the game continued. Everyone acted as if that was the proper course of action.
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An IW is bad...

Misapplying the rule to remedy the IW is worse.
 
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