Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic spreads from China to US

lotr10 said:
This is exactly what they want to do. The more they can panic the public and turn this into a crisis the more they think they can hurt Trump. That's the ONLY thing they care about. They are doing everything they can to turn the C-virus into Trump's Katrina.

The reality is that Trump's response has been very good. He is doing what needs to be done. His demeanor has also been excellent as he is striking the right balance between taking the outbreak seriously but not panicking us.

In the end trying to blame this on Trump will backfire. Why? Because the real culprit here is GLOBALIZATION. And the reason our economy is taking a hit is because we have become to dependent on China as our manufacturing base. And Trump has been warning us about and acting against BOTH of these things since the day he came down that escalator.

In the end Trump will emerge stronger then he was going in because he is doing a good job dealing with this. But the left & their crony capitalist allies on the right will see their precious Globalization take a big hit. This will be the lasting legacy of the C-virus.
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lotr10 said:
I keep bringing up the flu for two main reasons:

1) To put the threat of the C-virus in perspective. The flu kills a lot of Americans every year and it infects a whole lot more. But as a society we've adapted to it. The same will happen with the c-virus.

2) By all indications to date the c-virus is acting a lot like a flu breakout.

It's silly for you to claim that bringing up the flu some how means we don't want people paying attention to the c-virus. Nothing could be further then from the truth. The "regular" flu is deadly serious and a lot of us get a shot every year to try to head it off.

The reason I and others bring up the flu is for the same reason that you might point out to a relative afraid of flying that it's safer to fly to Florida for vacation then to drive there. Perspective & context are EVERYTHING.
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It is just the flu
 
Happier said:
It is just the flu
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In many ways it is just the flu - a very severe breakout for sure but in the end it's on par with the Hong Kong flu of 1969 and the Asian Flu of 1958. And of course the covid pandemic is still much less deadly then the Spanish Flu back in 1919.

The best thing about the covid compared to severe flu breakouts is that children are at a much lower risk of serious illness. The worst flu outbreaks are still much more deadly to kids then the covid is. Of course this presumes that you agree that it's better a virus target 90 year olds then 10 year olds?
 
Happier said:
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Or you can "lead" like Britain's Boris Johnson who allows himself to bye put in isolation after coming into contact with a person who has covid. this is the same Boris Johnson who has TWICE been vaccinated. Wow this is a great way to instill confidence in the people that the vaccines work!

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Well, it is apparently not true as the case of Johnson clearly demonstrates. It also shows that the powers that be have no confidence in the efficacy of the vaccines to protect their recipients from the virus. Why, otherwise, would they lock Boris away for ten days? And there is no way out for the hapless Premier either. He is not even allowed to take a PCR test after five days as most travelers usually can do. The double vaccinated Johnson must do ten days of hard Covid penance.
 
At what point do we shutdown the Mexican/US border? Mexico has surpassed it's highest case total per week during the entire pandemic this week. I've watched all the political positions from both sides throughout this pandemic but this seems to be the most eye-opening. There are significant reasons to shutdown the border from both parties. Republicans want to slowdown the illegal immigrants and the Democrats want to slow down the Covid-19 spread. Why isn't this a slamdunk to shutdown the border? This is almost the very definition of "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". It really doesn't make any sense...
 
Yappi said:
At what point do we shutdown the Mexican/US border? Mexico has surpassed it's highest case total per week during the entire pandemic this week. I've watched all the political positions from both sides throughout this pandemic but this seems to be the most eye-opening. There are significant reasons to shutdown the border from both parties. Republicans want to slowdown the illegal immigrants and the Democrats want to slow down the Covid-19 spread. Why isn't this a slamdunk to shutdown the border? This is almost the very definition of "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". It really doesn't make any sense...
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It would be shut down if the virus were actually serious.
 
Yappi said:
At what point do we shutdown the Mexican/US border? Mexico has surpassed it's highest case total per week during the entire pandemic this week. I've watched all the political positions from both sides throughout this pandemic but this seems to be the most eye-opening. There are significant reasons to shutdown the border from both parties. Republicans want to slowdown the illegal immigrants and the Democrats want to slow down the Covid-19 spread. Why isn't this a slamdunk to shutdown the border? This is almost the very definition of "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". It really doesn't make any sense...
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I have come to the conclusion that this is a political play by Biden to damage Abbot & DeSantis. What other logical explanation is there for leaving the border open and allowing hundreds of thousands of infected illegals to swarm into this country?

Remember, when they catch the illegals, even if they're infected, they DELIBERATELY ship them all over. They do this while at the same time attacking Trump supporters for not getting vaccianted and DeSantis for not allowing mask mandates. It's all political without a shred of science involved.
 
The border is closed to all non essential business. The following is considered essential:

What is defined as an “Essential Crossing”​

According to legal Notices published on the US Federal Register, “essential travel” (permitted crossings from Mexico to the USA) are defined as:

  • U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents returning to the United States;
  • Individuals traveling for medical purposes (e.g., to receive medical treatment in the United States);
  • Individuals traveling to attend educational institutions;
  • Individuals traveling to work in the United States (e.g., individuals working in the farming or agriculture industry who must travel between the United States and Mexico in furtherance of such work);
  • Individuals traveling for emergency response and public health purposes (e.g., government officials or emergency responders entering the United States to support Federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial government efforts to respond to Covid-19 or other emergencies);
  • Individuals engaged in lawful cross-border trade (e.g., truck drivers supporting the movement of cargo between the United States and Mexico);
  • Individuals engaged in official government travel or diplomatic travel;
  • Members of the U.S. Armed Forces, and the spouses and children of members of the U.S.
  • Armed Forces, returning to the United States; and
  • Individuals engaged in military-related travel or operations.
 
ProV1 said:
The border is closed to all non essential business. The following is considered essential:

What is defined as an “Essential Crossing”​

According to legal Notices published on the US Federal Register, “essential travel” (permitted crossings from Mexico to the USA) are defined as:

  • U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents returning to the United States;
  • Individuals traveling for medical purposes (e.g., to receive medical treatment in the United States);
  • Individuals traveling to attend educational institutions;
  • Individuals traveling to work in the United States (e.g., individuals working in the farming or agriculture industry who must travel between the United States and Mexico in furtherance of such work);
  • Individuals traveling for emergency response and public health purposes (e.g., government officials or emergency responders entering the United States to support Federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial government efforts to respond to Covid-19 or other emergencies);
  • Individuals engaged in lawful cross-border trade (e.g., truck drivers supporting the movement of cargo between the United States and Mexico);
  • Individuals engaged in official government travel or diplomatic travel;
  • Members of the U.S. Armed Forces, and the spouses and children of members of the U.S.
  • Armed Forces, returning to the United States; and
  • Individuals engaged in military-related travel or operations.
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Then why the enormous increase in the number of people crossing every day into the US then did when Trump was POTUS?
 
lotr10 said:
Then why the enormous increase in the number of people crossing every day into the US then did when Trump was POTUS?
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When are you talking about? Just in 2020 or in 2018 and 2019? Border crossings are way down in 2020 and 2021. Non essential travel is not allowed.
 
ProV1 said:
Non essential travel is not allowed.
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Isn't there alot of travel that is "not allowed" taking place at the Mexican/American border? Seems the issue that is being brought up is that illegal entry is "open" because this President wants it open even with a pandemic taking place and Mexico being a hotspot right now.
 
Yappi said:
Isn't there alot of travel that is "not allowed" taking place at the Mexican/American border? Seems the issue that is being brought up is that illegal entry is "open" because this President wants it open even with a pandemic taking place and Mexico being a hotspot right now.
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Open means that you are allowing access. Non essential travel is not allowed. Certainly people try to enter and they are apprehended. Some people evade apprehension. That is always the case. The border is only open to essential travel. On August 21st, that will need to be extended as the current order expires then.
 
ProV1 said:
Open means that you are allowing access. Non essential travel is not allowed. Certainly people try to enter and they are apprehended. Some people evade apprehension. That is always the case. The border is only open to essential travel. On August 21st, that will need to be extended as the current order expires then.
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Allowing access means that it is open. By encouraging massive illegal immigration, Biden is allowing access.
 

CDC warns vaccines effective but ‘waning’ over time and against Delta as officials recommend booster shots​


The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention maintains that vaccines against Covid-19 provide a high degree of protection against severe infections, hospitalisations and death, though the US is seeing “concerning evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness over time and against the Delta variant,” according to director Rochelle Walensky.

“We are concerned that the current strong protection against severe infection, hospitalisation and death could decrease in the months ahead, especially among those who are at high risk or who were vaccinated earlier,” the CDC director said during a virtual briefing on 18 August.
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CDC warns vaccines effective but ‘waning’ over time and against Delta as officials recommend booster shots

Americans to be eligible for third ‘booster’ shot eight months after second jab of two-dose Covid-19 vaccines
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Yappi said:

CDC warns vaccines effective but ‘waning’ over time and against Delta as officials recommend booster shots​



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CDC warns vaccines effective but ‘waning’ over time and against Delta as officials recommend booster shots

Americans to be eligible for third ‘booster’ shot eight months after second jab of two-dose Covid-19 vaccines
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So when does this end? If we want to go to an event in a large public setting, will we need to show proof we got our booster shot? This is f’n ridiculous.
 

Doctors in North Texas considered taking COVID-19 patients’ vaccination status into account when determining who gets ICU beds​


A North Texas doctors group released an email to members this week, telling them that vaccination status could be taken into account when determining which COVID-19 patients get beds in intensive care units if the region experiences another crisis.

The memo by the North Texas Mass Critical Guidelines Task Force was leaked to The Dallas Morning News, which published details of the memo on Thursday.

The memo boiled down to this: Since vaccination vastly improves the chances of survival from COVID-19, a patient's vaccination status could count as a plus or a strike when determining which patients get ICU beds. It could not be the sole determining factor, however.
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Doctors in North Texas considered taking COVID-19 patients' vaccination status into account when determining who got ICU beds

A North Texas Mass Critical Care Guidelines Task Force spokesperson has since rowed back on the memo on how to triage patients.
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Is there any proof that once a person enters the ICU that their vaccination status impoves their chance at survival? Everything I've read says that vaccination lessens the chance for serious complications but I've never read that vaccination improves outcomes of patients who are equally sick in the ICU.
 

Alabama doctor pledges to stop treating unvaccinated patients​


A doctor says he will soon refuse to treat unvaccinated patients in Alabama, where low vaccination rates and the highly transmissable delta variant are overwhelming hospitals.

Dr. Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, recently posted a photo on his Facebook page showing him next to a sign that says, “Effective Oct. 1, 2021, Dr. Valentine will no longer see patients that are not vaccinated against COVID-19.”
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Alabama doctor pledges to stop treating unvaccinated patients

Dr. Jason Valentine said in a letter to patients that he could not watch more of them "die from an eminently preventable disease."
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Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing A Dramatic Surge In New COVID Cases. Here's Why​


Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.

What happened, and what can be learned about the vaccine's impact on a highly vaccinated country? Here are six lessons learned — and one looming question for the future of the pandemic.
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Florida doctor to stop treating unvaccinated patients in person​

Patients who haven’t gotten the COVID-19 vaccine soon won’t be welcome inside a South Miami doctor’s office.

Dr. Linda Marraccini said she will stop treating unvaccinated people in person beginning Sept. 15, explaining in a letter that she will “no longer subject our patients and staff to unnecessary risk,” according to NBC 6 South Florida.
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Florida doctor to stop treating unvaccinated patients in person

Dr. Linda Marraccini wrote in a letter to patients that the decision is “based on science.”
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People will look back at this period at the hysteria that made normal people make bizarre decisions. A doctor that has refused to treat patients...amazing.
 
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