WNBA Players Union Strikes for more Pay, Seriously?!?!?

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The WNBA is going to lose $40 million this year and the players union is going on strike for more money Seriously?!?!? The WNBA has been bleeding for years losing tens of millions of dollars each year. If the NBA had not been subsidizing the league it would have folded many years ago. These women live in their own dream world to think they deserve the same kind of pay as the NBA players.

 
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The WNBA is going to lose $40 million this year and the players union is going on strike for more money Seriously?!?!? The WNBA has been bleeding for years losing tens of millions of dollars each year. If the NBA had not been subsidizing the league it would have folded many years ago. These women live in their own dream world to think they deserve the same kind of pay as the NBA players.

Moe, this makes so much sense, but no one ever seems to bring this up? Instead of Angel Reese complaining she can't pay her bills with the pay she gets being professional basketball player, she and her teammates should be thanking their lucky stars the NBA has funded this league for nearly 30 years, and they've never been self supporting.
My guess is you may see their be a competing new women's basketball league started. No the issue is if you can't sustain yourself with the NBA's backing, how can you do it alone?
 
Moe, this makes so much sense, but no one ever seems to bring this up? Instead of Angel Reese complaining she can't pay her bills with the pay she gets being professional basketball player, she and her teammates should be thanking their lucky stars the NBA has funded this league for nearly 30 years, and they've never been self supporting.
My guess is you may see their be a competing new women's basketball league started. No the issue is if you can't sustain yourself with the NBA's backing, how can you do it alone?
After watching how they reacted to Caitlin Clark this year it's no wonder the league has been failing. These women have a high opinion of themselves and their skills and don't seem to know how to appeal to the fans who in the end are paying them. Caitlin is a good basketball player but she also gets it and knows how to connect with the fans. That is just as important as how you perform on the court.
 
After watching how they reacted to Caitlin Clark this year it's no wonder the league has been failing. These women have a high opinion of themselves and their skills and don't seem to know how to appeal to the fans who in the end are paying them. Caitlin is a good basketball player but she also gets it and knows how to connect with the fans. That is just as important as how you perform on the court.
Clark has been phenomenal from a PR standpoint. She's been coached very well from her marketers and she gets it. The league overall has a big identity crisis. The league's best players don't embrace marketing and understand how business works. Now my big contention of Clark is will she be as big of star as her fans anticipate? I still think she has alot of work to do to become elite. But will the league devour itself going through this process? If you can't tell the league has never had great overall leadership. You can't allow the players to run a young, strugglign league like this.
 
Clark has been phenomenal from a PR standpoint. She's been coached very well from her marketers and she gets it. The league overall has a big identity crisis. The league's best players don't embrace marketing and understand how business works. Now my big contention of Clark is will she be as big of star as her fans anticipate? I still think she has alot of work to do to become elite. But will the league devour itself going through this process? If you can't tell the league has never had great overall leadership. You can't allow the players to run a young, struggling league like this.
Yea I see two things she needs to focus on:
1. She really should get with a trainer and build up her strength. I think some of the fouls she and her fans complained about wouldn't have been as bad as they looked if she were stronger and more solid. But if she's serious about a possible side thing with golf i'm not sure she'll have the time to put in the gym getting stronger.
2. Quit whining at the referees so much during the games. This isn't little league and you're not always going to get your way. She needs to toughen up a bit emotionally and quit letting some of this stuff on the court get into her head. I read an interesting editorial during the season that if her coach had her back more then Caitlin wouldn't feel like she has to defend herself so much with the refs. That may be part of the issue too but in the end she looks bad with all the whining she does. I remember one time last year with Iowa even her dad jump her back and told her to back off on the refs.
 
Yea I see two things she needs to focus on:
1. She really should get with a trainer and build up her strength. I think some of the fouls she and her fans complained about wouldn't have been as bad as they looked if she were stronger and more solid. But if she's serious about a possible side thing with golf i'm not sure she'll have the time to put in the gym getting stronger.
2. Quit whining at the referees so much during the games. This isn't little league and you're not always going to get your way. She needs to toughen up a bit emotionally and quit letting some of this stuff on the court get into her head. I read an interesting editorial during the season that if her coach had her back more then Caitlin wouldn't feel like she has to defend herself so much with the refs. That may be part of the issue too but in the end she looks bad with all the whining she does. I remember one time last year with Iowa even her dad jump her back and told her to back off on the refs.
She's not crazy athletic and that's always going to work against her. Yes, she had a phenomenal rookie year, broke alot of records, but not many rookies get many minutes in the WNBA so it's really hard to gage her. She evolved some this season as when it became difficult for her to score, they made her more of a facilitator and I think that's where she'll be more effective. She sees the floor well and passes well. However, like anything else, teams will begin to game plan more against that, send and extra person back on defense and take away some of those transition opportunities. The only issue about adding strength is will it slow her down, which she can't have.

She whined in college so that's just her. One thing that never gets mentioned is what kind of teammate is she? I don't see alot of her Iowa teammates going out of their way to say what a great teammate she was. This happens with uber competitive people, they grind on others because they live eat and breathe basketball. She snaps at teammates and gives dirty looks. That's not good. Is the WNBA and the Fever ready for that kind of player? There's no doubt the stars in the NBA get the whistles. I guess we'll know for sure the game is on if she starts getting alot of calls. I'm kind of shocked she wasn't given the star treatment this season.
 
My guess is you may see their be a competing new women's basketball league started. No the issue is if you can't sustain yourself with the NBA's backing, how can you do it alone?
A women's professional basketball league that is fully supported and promoted by the NBA and ESPN is losing $40M per year.

What makes you think that a competing league will be started? There is no sane business person who would invest in this.
 
As soon as Caitlyn Clark leaves to go play in Europe for big $$$ ,the WNBA will strip down to about 6 teams ..NY ,LA CHI, and couple others .. The feminists that cried about equal this and equal that ,then they dont go the games .. C YA
 
Of course they’re going to strike. The league regularly loses $40-50 million a year, but due to getting to ride the NBA’s coattails in media rights negotiations (along with Caitlyn Clark) the media revenue pie is going to grow substantially when new deals take effect in 2025-26.

The core deal with ESPN/ABC is going to jump from around $35 million per year to $200 million per year. Total media revenue is going to jump from $45-50 million per year to probably $250+ million per year.

The question is whether or not the players are ignorant enough to tank the league when the league may be on the verge of having a chance to turn the corner due to Clark and the NBA’s involvement in the product. Clark is the reason for increased ratings in the short-run and the NBA is probably several hundred million in the hole subsidizing this league to this point.
 
Let's be real, "players" are not making decisions here. Agents and managers, whether hired or the very college educated players themselves are and they have decades of history from various men's leagues (and women's tennis) to learn from on how to grab a fair share of the tv revenue without biting the hand.
 
Let's be real, "players" are not making decisions here. Agents and managers, whether hired or the very college educated players themselves are and they have decades of history from various men's leagues (and women's tennis) to learn from on how to grab a fair share of the tv revenue without biting the hand.
I can agree with some of this but where the players do come in is their impact on the viewing audience. If they don’t learn from Caitlin and continue their arrogance the growth they could see won’t be as big as could be because people don’t want spoiled whiny bitches on the game floor.
 
I can agree with some of this but where the players do come in is their impact on the viewing audience. If they don’t learn from Caitlin and continue their arrogance the growth they could see won’t be as big as could be because people don’t want spoiled whiny bitches on the game floor.

Agree. Whether they like it or not, much like "Glow" wrestling they have to have a show beyond basketball. Reese, if she could contain her tendency to be disagreeable is very marketable that way. Kid could be a fashion designer. Have an opinion after five years of humble.
 
Agree. Whether they like it or not, much like "Glow" wrestling they have to have a show beyond basketball. Reese, if she could contain her tendency to be disagreeable is very marketable that way. Kid could be a fashion designer. Have an opinion after five years of humble.
I agree about Reese. She could be a marketers dream if she would tone down her personality. She just seems angry and accusatory all the time.
 
I agree about Reese. She could be a marketers dream if she would tone down her personality. She just seems angry and accusatory all the time.
Her mouth gets her in trouble to much. Plus the girl lives beyond her means. Crying that she can't even pay her rent with the NBA salary. Get a cheaper apartment! Spoiled little #!^(@
 
Her mouth gets her in trouble to much. Plus the girl lives beyond her means. Crying that she can't even pay her rent with the NBA salary. Get a cheaper apartment! Spoiled little #!^(@
Chicago ain't cheap and WNBA salaries aren't much. She IS a celebrity. This isn't a country where a celebrity can just hang at the local housing authority and hope to not be bothered 24-7.

She makes plenty off endorsements. Her comments are speaking for those that don't have that access.. On THIS, I don't think she is shooting off. Rather, making a legit point. sOME in the organizations seem to make money even when the overall is losing. Perhaps this is more about how to share that pie? It's a fair barganing ploy.
 
Chicago ain't cheap and WNBA salaries aren't much. She IS a celebrity. This isn't a country where a celebrity can just hang at the local housing authority and hope to not be bothered 24-7.

She makes plenty off endorsements. Her comments are speaking for those that don't have that access.. On THIS, I don't think she is shooting off. Rather, making a legit point. sOME in the organizations seem to make money even when the overall is losing. Perhaps this is more about how to share that pie? It's a fair barganing ploy.
Then go where the money leads her. Share a bigger pie.:oops::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Actually strongly agree. One of the biggest flaws of this league has been shoving teams into expensive major markets where the lower paid players (rookies included) are probably pinching pennies to some degree to live anywhere close to an arena or practice facility. They’ve prioritized putting teams in major markets for “exposure” instead of putting teams in more affordable markets where rear ends may actually get put in the seats.

Imagine being whatever poor schmuck that gets drafted to the Golden State expansion team next year, and then gets stuck with figuring out how to live in the Bay Area on a $70k salary if they aren’t fortunate enough to have endorsements. That’s honestly a slap in the face regardless of the current financial drain of the league IMO.

With the supposed 5-6 fold increase in revenue coming down the pike, the entire salary structure needs to see a sizable bump. Salaries ought to be able to get to comfortably livable for the Bay Area, New York, Chicago, etc., while still reducing or eliminating the massive losses the league runs yearly. If the two sides can’t figure out how to make that work, then they probably deserve to squander their present opportunity to get their league to stable ground.
 
Actually strongly agree. One of the biggest flaws of this league has been shoving teams into expensive major markets where the lower paid players (rookies included) are probably pinching pennies to some degree to live anywhere close to an arena or practice facility. They’ve prioritized putting teams in major markets for “exposure” instead of putting teams in more affordable markets where rear ends may actually get put in the seats.

Imagine being whatever poor schmuck that gets drafted to the Golden State expansion team next year, and then gets stuck with figuring out how to live in the Bay Area on a $70k salary if they aren’t fortunate enough to have endorsements. That’s honestly a slap in the face regardless of the current financial drain of the league IMO.

With the supposed 5-6 fold increase in revenue coming down the pike, the entire salary structure needs to see a sizable bump. Salaries ought to be able to get to comfortably livable for the Bay Area, New York, Chicago, etc., while still reducing or eliminating the massive losses the league runs yearly. If the two sides can’t figure out how to make that work, then they probably deserve to squander their present opportunity to get their league to stable ground.
Actually most of the top players go overseas to make their "real" money. Remember the stink with Griner? She was going to Russia to play pro ball and took some weed with her. Actually until the last few years no one really cared and the players did their thing, they knew the league was losing money and that was it. All ESPN has done is shine the light on this. Sure they got a nice boost from Clark, but do you really want to hitch the wagon to one player who's being wooed by the 3/3 league? Heck you may see alot of these gals move into the 3/3 league. Let's face it, women's "team" basketball has never been big other than UConn, Tennessee, Stanford just a few college markets who win all the time.
What works in women's "pro" sports? Individuals. Golf, tennis, etc. Women's professional team sports have never captured the masses. The WNBA is giving it a shot, but let's face it, without the continued financial backing from the NBA, they would had been gone decades ago.
 
Actually most of the top players go overseas to make their "real" money.

EVERYbody in this conversation is aware of that. Your "actually" as contradicting the post, doesn't make sense. Those "overseas" are not in cities you or I have ever heard of. And they are corporate sponsored, not generally individually owned. They are not predominant in high end expensive cities, the strategy nwwarrior09 was saying and you are contradiciting is that the WNBA should consider that foreign model so that players could afford to live and build branding and wealth and just as importantly, depth of post-college talent.

Corporate teams. The US used to have corporate teams. What ever happened to that? How did the individually owned league model take root?
 
EVERYbody in this conversation is aware of that. Your "actually" as contradicting the post, doesn't make sense. Those "overseas" are not in cities you or I have ever heard of. And they are corporate sponsored, not generally individually owned. They are not predominant in high end expensive cities, the strategy nwwarrior09 was saying and you are contradiciting is that the WNBA should consider that foreign model so that players could afford to live and build branding and wealth and just as importantly, depth of post-college talent.

Corporate teams. The US used to have corporate teams. What ever happened to that? How did the individually owned league model take root?
I'm not contradicting anything. Here's how business works. You pay you're employee or contracted labor what you can afford. The WNBA tries to pay their players just enough to keep them playing here. It's not a real popular league if you've never paid attention. Yes, there was a bump this year with CC, but even with the additional revenue, you played in bigger arenas that cost more, more overhead. I know all you guys are pushing for this for some reason, but it's going to be along road and it may never turn out the way you think. IN GENERAL, the masses do not support women's sports. Go to your local high school, compare the crowds at the football/ volleyball games and the boys basketball/ girls basketball games. There's just no comparison.
The WNBA HAS to have teams in big cities to try to woo as many fans as possible. The fact that Reece complains that she can't afford to live in these cities is her problem, not societies. And guess what, welcome to being an adult.
 
The fact that Reece complains that she can't afford to live in these cities is her problem, not societies.

Poor Angel. It must be so terrible to live in poverty.

Angel Reese is one of the topmost earners through her NIL deals as part of her college basketball career. She has a NIL value of $1.8 million from her endorsement deals, as of September 2024 as per on3.com.

Her 17 deals in 2022 and 2023 were worth around $1.7 million, according to USA Today. Some of those endorsement deals include:

  • Sports Illustrated
  • Calvin Klein
  • Outback Steakhouse
  • Reebok
  • ZOA Energy
  • Amazon
  • Starry
  • Playstation
  • Mielle Organics
  • JanSport
In October 2023, Reebok and the basketball star announced their partnership in a fun Instagram post. In the video, Angel is seen putting on makeup and necklaces with "Angel" and "Reebok" on them.

That’s far from the only deal she’s signed this year, though. Angel also nabbed contracts with these big names, according to On3:

  • Topps
  • Beats by Dre
  • Tampax
  • Airbnb
 
The fact that Reece complains that she can't afford to live in these cities is her problem, not societies.
I don't think that is what she said. I think what she said was that her WNBA salary wouldn't allow her to live in those cities. She was making a point for the wider good. I think she (her agents, handlers....) are smart enough to know her endorsements are easy to look up and were careful about what language she would use. Am I wrong? Her exact quotes should be easy enough to find.
 
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