What happens if counties go "Purple"?

cabezadecaballo said:
Ted is a . True story.



He is probably still mad about the upper-decker you left in his guest bathroom when you did his patio and outdoor kitchen. You will only get a call for warranty work, and you won't get in the door again after that move.


Nice to see you are still alive.
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Still kicking, Cabe. Hope all is well
 
Braddock said:
I don’t even know where that school is??? Who give a crap about high school football anyway...weirdo. If you don’t have a kid playing then you have no business watching boys play.
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Awww, don’t take offense, Brian... for your information, this thread started out in a HS football forum, before the Yappi Commander-in-Chief moved it over here. It had to do with what would happen to games scheduled to be played in counties that the state deems ”Purple” in Covid-19 infections. I can see by the way you sling “” references around that you are a QAnonsense follower too...
 
Braddock said:
Yeah I don’t come around much anymore either. But def will be hanging around here now that the election is coming up. I wonder if Happy will disappear like last time?
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I get sick of the same crap rebuttals rephrased, the same lies retold. Boring. If the Biden-ites had a real option, it would be more fun. They have nothing to work with at all if they have to be "positive". ChinaJoeHidin', Joe 2.6 or 2.8 or whatever this BS session of "Joe in the Limelight" could be called, is THE worst Joe yet. Joe is the worst candidate in history. He even proved it in his previous failed runs in '88 and '08. Joe today is not only broken, but way dirtier than ever.
 
Braddock said:
Glad I got your attention. So we agree it isn’t anything to be worried about. How you been?
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He's in a danger demographic. N95 only if you get near the e _putz. I know you have boxes of them in that barn, even if only your sons are smart enough to wear them dry-cutting and demo-ing. Go sit in the Bobcat and look at tiny porn on your phone until they need a lift or a scoop.
 
4GX said:
Because, indeed, HS football players are the only ones we are trying to save from this disease...
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You really don't comprehend herd immunity, do you ? Let me give you a hint.....an inoculation against a disease tries to synthetically create survivor immunity to it without most of the symptoms. Once enough of the "herd" is immune, spread stops. Still following ?

Next part - Healthy people under 50, even 60 more often than not, often have few symptoms if any. Among those that do feel sick, therapies we have now have lowered covid fatality rates to the basement. As many muzzled scientists and Drs have said during the Great Suppression, we should be sheltering the vulnerable. Many hospitals have more failed suicides in their beds than WuuHooFlu patients. Businesses are destroyed, livelihoods lost, remote education is failing the kids.

So, are you in the "preserve the market for this vaccine" crowd, or the "squash the economy to oust Trump" set ? Or are you simply under-informed ?
 
cabezadecaballo said:
You really don't comprehend herd immunity, do you ? Let me give you a hint.....an inoculation against a disease tries to synthetically create survivor immunity to it without most of the symptoms. Once enough of the "herd" is immune, spread stops. Still following ?

Next part - Healthy people under 50, even 60 more often than not, often have few symptoms if any. Among those that do feel sick, therapies we have now have lowered covid fatality rates to the basement. As many muzzled scientists and Drs have said during the Great Suppression, we should be sheltering the vulnerable. Many hospitals have more failed suicides in their beds than WuuHooFlu patients. Businesses are destroyed, livelihoods lost, remote education is failing the kids.

So, are you in the "preserve the market for this vaccine" crowd, or the "squash the economy to oust Trump" set ? Or are you simply under-informed ?
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Fully Understand herd immunity— do weekly calls with eminent epidemiologists every other week; they tell us that allowing the virus “to let it rip” through the population would result in several million more deaths than trying to suppress it until the vaccine is available in the first half of 2021... so, I take the experts at their word, and believe that THAT is the best course of action... we are SO FAR from achieving herd immunity in the US right now, that it is pretty silly to think it is “around the corner“ (as Trump and his moronic advisor Scott Atlas would have you think)... we see right now, in France, what happens when this virus comes back in spades on the second or third wave— their hospitals (and more importantly, their ICU beds) are filled and about to be overwhelmed— they are about to introduce another period of lockdown— as Ireland has had to do, as Sweden is contemplating, as the UK is contemplating, as Italy is probably going to do...

You don’t know the first thing about what you are talking about... and Trump people who think “this is gonna go away on Nov. 4” (after Trump loses) — will also be surprised to see that this remains a significant albatross for the new BIden Administration to deal with, for quite some time, too.
 
4GX said:
Fully Understand herd immunity— do weekly calls with eminent epidemiologists every other week; they tell us that allowing the virus “to let it rip” through the population would result in several million more deaths than trying to suppress it until the vaccine is available in the first half of 2021... so, I take the experts at their word, and believe that THAT is the best course of action... we are SO FAR from achieving herd immunity in the US right now, that it is pretty silly to think it is “around the corner“ (as Trump and his moronic advisor Scott Atlas would have you think)... we see right now, in France, what happens when this virus comes back in spades on the second or third wave— their hospitals (and more importantly, their ICU beds) are filled and about to be overwhelmed— they are about to introduce another period of lockdown— as Ireland has had to do, as Sweden is contemplating, as the UK is contemplating, as Italy is probably going to do...

You don’t know the first thing about what you are talking about... and Trump people who think “this is gonna go away on Nov. 4” (after Trump loses) — will also be surprised to see that this remains a significant albatross for the new BIden Administration to deal with, for quite some time, too.
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These epidemiologists ever talk to you about t-cell immunity ? Or isn’t that what they are paid to tell you ?

Given the COVID reality that is Sweden, it is a certainty.

Your response seems to assume there are only two options here - mass masking, shuttered businesses, and petty restrictions or nothing. That would be quite stupid, so naturally no one in here suggests that as I’ve seen. Keep your straw man. The vulnerable obviously should be protected, and most of the rest of us will carry on normally, get infected, get treatment in the relatively few cases it is needed, and keep rolling.

You don’t realize that there are people that want to preserve a “vaccine” customer base and maybe even torment the population with restrictions until enough of us will support making these inoculations mandatory, do you ? It is part of the business model.

Weekly, every other week ? Half of your co-workers in alternate weeks ?

And several MILLION MORE deaths ? Are these geniuses still using the Imperial College models ? Nobody credible is saying that today that I have heard.
 
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cabezadecaballo said:
These epidemiologists ever talk to you about t-cell immunity ? Or isn’t that what they are paid to tell you ?

Given the COVID reality that is Sweden, it is a certainty.

Your response seems to assume there are only two options here - mass masking, shuttered businesses, and petty restrictions or nothing. That would be quite stupid, so naturally no one in here suggests that as I’ve seen. Keep your straw man. The vulnerable obviously should be protected, and most of the rest of us will carry on normally, get infected, get treatment in the relatively few cases it is needed, and keep rolling.

You don’t realize that there are people that want to preserve a “vaccine” customer base and maybe even torment the population with restrictions until enough of us will support making these inoculations mandatory, do you ? It is part of the business model.

Weekly, every other week ? Half of your co-workers in alternate weeks ?

And several MILLION MORE deaths ? Are these geniuses still using the Imperial College models ? Nobody credible is saying that today that I have heard.
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The death rate is nil for Sweden. Look at the last 30 days. Sweden is the size of Ohio
 
cabezadecaballo said:
These epidemiologists ever talk to you about t-cell immunity ? Or isn’t that what they are paid to tell you ?

Given the COVID reality that is Sweden, it is a certainty.

Your response seems to assume there are only two options here - mass masking, shuttered businesses, and petty restrictions or nothing. That would be quite stupid, so naturally no one in here suggests that as I’ve seen. Keep your straw man. The vulnerable obviously should be protected, and most of the rest of us will carry on normally, get infected, get treatment in the relatively few cases it is needed, and keep rolling.

You don’t realize that there are people that want to preserve a “vaccine” customer base and maybe even torment the population with restrictions until enough of us will support making these inoculations mandatory, do you ? It is part of the business model.

Weekly, every other week ? Half of your co-workers in alternate weeks ?

And several MILLION MORE deaths ? Are these geniuses still using the Imperial College models ? Nobody credible is saying that today that I have heard.
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More absurdity from you...
1) Several million more deaths is projected, based on a ~350 Million US population, and a 0.7% fatality rate— do the math; we’ve only likely infected ~10% of the US at this point (35 million cases- the officially recorded case count just passed 9 million, but the epidemiologists recognize that many have NOT been recorded)— if you take 350 million, subtract the ~10% already infected, you have a remaining pool of ~300 Million+ still eligible to get it (that’s assuming people can’t or won’t get re-infected a second time)... 0.7% times 300 Million works out to 2.1 million likely deaths— has NOTHING to do with any Imperial College models— has EVERYTHING to do with the actual death rates that the US has been seeing, among its Covid-19 cases... if we only used the recorded cases (which NO reputable epidemiologist is even suggesting), then the death rate has been closer to 3% (actually more like 2.8%) among recorded cases.

2) The other blather and nonsense from you (about T-cells and vaccine conspiracies, etc,), again, does NOT merit being refuted... I will say that nobody in the epidemiology community in the US is calling for shuttering any businesses— so, I don’t know why you (and others that think like you) keep throwing that canard out there— where, in Ohio for instance, right now, is anyone shuttering a business?
 
4GX said:
More absurdity from you...
1) Several million more deaths is projected, based on a ~350 Million US population, and a 0.7% fatality rate— do the math; we’ve only likely infected ~10% of the US at this point (35 million cases- the officially recorded case count just passed 9 million, but the epidemiologists recognize that many have NOT been recorded)— if you take 350 million, subtract the ~10% already infected, you have a remaining pool of ~300 Million+ still eligible to get it (that’s assuming people can’t or won’t get re-infected a second time)... 0.7% times 300 Million works out to 2.1 million likely deaths— has NOTHING to do with any Imperial College models— has EVERYTHING to do with the actual death rates that the US has been seeing, among its Covid-19 cases... if we only used the recorded cases (which NO reputable epidemiologist is even suggesting), then the death rate has been closer to 3% (actually more like 2.8%) among recorded cases.

2) The other blather and nonsense from you (about T-cells and vaccine conspiracies, etc,), again, does NOT merit being refuted... I will say that nobody in the epidemiology community in the US is calling for shuttering any businesses— so, I don’t know why you (and others that think like you) keep throwing that canard out there— where, in Ohio for instance, right now, is anyone shuttering a business?
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The dogma is strong in this^ one.
4GX said:
Nor do ours.
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Correct. They get to be paid more for each covid case. Cares Act.
 
4GX said:
Nope.
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lol

No denials on your part can change the reality here.

120% of normal rates, +20% for covid as stated in the Cares Act.

“Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.”

Just stop.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
lol

No denials on your part can change the reality here.

120% of normal rates, +20% for covid as stated in the Cares Act.

“Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.”

Just stop.
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Trump supporters (and sundry other conspiracy theorists) were claiming that this was happening, even before the CARES act was passed— it wasn’t happening then, and it isn’t happening now. If you do not receive government subsidized medical care (as I do not, and most anyone with company-sponsored healthcare does not), there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in the amount of payments for medical services rendered in a hospital, from the CARES Act... it is only for uninsured (and Medicaid) patients that this clause even has any effect— and it was designed to make sure that people with the virus did not go uncared-for (because hospitals might then have had a financial incentive to ignore those patients)— and thus become “super-spreaders” of the virus to the rest of the population.

There is NO PROOF that any hospital has assigned Covid-19 as a cause of care, in order to get greater reimbursement— most doctors and nurses that I have seen interviewed about that claim are insulted that it is being insinuated that they are that ethically deficient or criminal in their behavior... Meanwhile, in countries where ALL of the healthcare is provided by the state (e.g.- UK‘s NHS or France, or Canada), there is no such differing payment methodology—yet cases of Covid-19 are every bit as prevalent (and more) in those regulatory regimes as they are in the US healthcare system.
 
4GX said:
Trump supporters (and sundry other conspiracy theorists) were claiming that this was happening, even before the CARES act was passed— it wasn’t happening then, and it isn’t happening now. If you do not receive government subsidized medical care (as I do not, and most anyone with company-sponsored healthcare does not), there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in the amount of payments for medical services rendered in a hospital, from the CARES Act... it is only for uninsured (and Medicaid) patients that this clause even has any effect— and it was designed to make sure that people with the virus did not go uncared-for (because hospitals might then have had a financial incentive to ignore those patients)— and thus become “super-spreaders” of the virus to the rest of the population.

There is NO PROOF that any hospital has assigned Covid-19 as a cause of care, in order to get greater reimbursement— most doctors and nurses that I have seen interviewed about that claim are insulted that it is being insinuated that they are that ethically deficient or criminal in their behavior... Meanwhile, in countries where ALL of the healthcare is provided by the state (e.g.- UK‘s NHS or France, or Canada), there is no such differing payment methodology—yet cases of Covid-19 are every bit as prevalent (and more) in those regulatory regimes as they are in the US healthcare system.
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LOL

USA Today, in this case, does a decent job here cutting through Dem-media "fact-checking".

www.usatoday.com

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com

money shot -

Our ruling: True
We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.
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"considered presumed". Whose presumption or considerations, again ? LOL No "evidence", though. True story......

Maybe Nate Silver polls the crowds outside hospitals to decide ? He says Trump now has a 1 in 10 shot of winning......


Another 4GX face plant.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
LOL

USA Today, in this case, does a decent job here cutting through Dem-media "fact-checking".

www.usatoday.com

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com

money shot -



"considered presumed". Whose presumption or considerations, again ? LOL No "evidence", though. True story......

Maybe Nate Silver polls the crowds outside hospitals to decide ? He says Trump now has a 1 in 10 shot of winning......
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LOL— you gotta a lotta LOL....maybe in a lull in your LOLs, you could take note that NO ONE that has their own private medical insurance is making ANY additional payments to hospitals for their Covid-19 case(s)... and your own article says that there is NO evidence that any hospitals or doctors are committing such malfeasance, even for indigent (i.e.- Medicaid) or Medicare patients.

Another CabezaDecaDurabolin faceplant.
 
4GX said:
LOL— you gotta a lotta LOL....maybe in a lull in your LOLs, you could take note that NO ONE that has their own private medical insurance is making ANY additional payments to hospitals for their Covid-19 case(s)... and your own article says that there is NO evidence that any hospitals or doctors are committing such malfeasance, even for indigent (i.e.- Medicaid) or Medicare patients.

Another CabezaDecaDurabolin faceplant.
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You try SO hard. It must be frustrating.
 
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