The Official 2024 Reds season thread

Unless you move Elly to the outfield, which I feel is not wise, here's what I go with...
3B Marte
SS Elly
2B - McLain
1B - Candelario/ CES
India is either traded or a part time 2nd baseman/ DH. I'd love to keep Espinal as a utility infielder. Steer is in the outfield full time. France is gone. One because he's not under contract, two you're already committed to Candelario. There is enough room on the major league roster for these guys. Our emphasis in the offseason is an outfield bat or two.
If you keep all those guys on the roster besides France, you’re down to 4 roster spots for outfielders, and that includes Steer as 1 of the 4. The oft-injured Friedl is 2 of 4. We CANNOT have a paper-thin outfield again next year.
 
If you keep all those guys on the roster besides France, you’re down to 4 roster spots for outfielders, and that includes Steer as 1 of the 4. The oft-injured Friedl is 2 of 4. We CANNOT have a paper-thin outfield again next year.
Steer can play the outfield as well as Espinal. You'd likely need to have a Stu Fairchild type ready to go also. And I'm always fine cutting a pitcher, we don't need 13 pitchers, the 12th and 13th spots are a waste most days.
 
I'll double down. You give me a choice of Milwaukee, Cleveland or Cincy's rosters now and ask me who I want to ride it out with the next 5 years, I'll take the Reds. Now Cleveland has THE BEST player of the 3 teams in Jose Ramirez. If there would be anyway the Reds could get him, I'd give up a two of our better pitching prospects (Lodolo, Abbott, Ashcraft, possibly even Burns) for him. He's that good. You put him in the middle of our lineup - add McLain next season and we're ready to rock and roll.
If I had a chance to take 1 NFL roster for the next five yrs.....Panthers, Raiders or Chiefs...I'd ride with the Panthers.


See...we all can say stupid stuff
 
Unless you move Elly to the outfield, which I feel is not wise, here's what I go with...
3B Marte
SS Elly
2B - McLain
1B - Candelario/ CES
India is either traded or a part time 2nd baseman/ DH. I'd love to keep Espinal as a utility infielder. Steer is in the outfield full time. France is gone. One because he's not under contract, two you're already committed to Candelario. There is enough room on the major league roster for these guys. Our emphasis in the offseason is an outfield bat or two.
You flunked with your first offering. No way Marte plays anywhere in the lineup. Disinterested and full of himself. Terrible defensive player.
 
You flunked with your first offering. No way Marte plays anywhere in the lineup. Disinterested and full of himself. Terrible defensive player.
Yes. In a summer full of disappointments, Marte was the biggest for me. This time last year he seemed to already be a polished pro at the plate, and many of us thought he was better defensively at SS than Elly. He has taken huge steps backwards in both areas this year. Maybe his struggles at the plate have negatively impacted his defense? He needs to work hard over the winter and have a solid spring training to make the MLB active roster.
 
Ignoring all the other foolish comments you posted in anger last night, I'm curious to hear your logic as to why the physical location of the team (in Cincy) prevents them from winning. The teams in other similar sized markets win pretty consistently (Cleveland, Milwaukee, St Louis). So what is it about this particular location? A change in ownership and hiring a competent front office are absolutely needed in order to win. Tell us how the geography matters please. We could use the laugh.
So one team in that group has won a World Series in the 21st century. Not a very good measure to support your case.

If the owner is really good that person is going to know the Reds metropolitan area and TV viewership isn’t going to be enough to support paying big money but it could be accomplished elsewhere.

But hey, maybe we get lucky and Elon Musk buys the Reds.
 
Facts and statistics are not excuses. His improvement with plate discipline from 2023 to 2024 is off the charts. He has a ways to go, but at his age, he will keep improving. And all of his other tools are elite. 25/60 guys do not grow on trees. in fact, there have only been 4 others, ever. Let go of the hate...
So having the most fielding errors of any shortstop in the game as well as leading baseball in strikeouts isn’t a problem according to you. Got ya. Paint whatever picture you want to create but those are some damning statistics not to mention some of the stupid baserunning errors he also has.
 
We'll have months to dissect the season and project who going to be where in 2025. The Reds roll into Chicago for the last series of the season. Nick Martinez, Rhett Lowder and Hunter Greene to finish it out.
 
We'll have months to dissect the season and project who going to be where in 2025. The Reds roll into Chicago for the last series of the season. Nick Martinez, Rhett Lowder and Hunter Greene to finish it out.
Hope you enjoyed that 1 hour, 48 minute trunk-slammer of a 4-hit shutout while the rest of us have moved on with football and the future.
 
At the time that Bell was let go the Reds were 76-81 I believe. Last year this team went 82-80 which warranted Bell a three year extension. The question being with the Reds being literally within 6 games of last year's record and the complete lineup destruction that the injuries forced, how/why was Bell's job in danger? Next year's season ticket sales? Krall saving his own rear end? How do you bring in a new manager and tell them oh btw here's your pitching coach, probably the most important coaching position including the manager?
Again not a Bell fan but then you see the article regarding the money he is still owed and it's impact on the new hire and it appears the Brown family has taken ownership of the Reds.
Nice way to end the year as well, 3 runs scored in 5 games.
 
At the time that Bell was let go the Reds were 76-81 I believe. Last year this team went 82-80 which warranted Bell a three year extension. The question being with the Reds being literally within 6 games of last year's record and the complete lineup destruction that the injuries forced, how/why was Bell's job in danger? Next year's season ticket sales? Krall saving his own rear end? How do you bring in a new manager and tell them oh btw here's your pitching coach, probably the most important coaching position including the manager?
Again not a Bell fan but then you see the article regarding the money he is still owed and it's impact on the new hire and it appears the Brown family has taken ownership of the Reds.
Nice way to end the year as well, 3 runs scored in 5 games.
I have no info but the timing makes it seem like something happened - Bell having a strong disagreement with Krall or something.

And yes, the team has seemingly just quit after the firing.
 
I have no info but the timing makes it seem like something happened - Bell having a strong disagreement with Krall or something.

And yes, the team has seemingly just quit after the firing.
My opinion is that it had to have something to do with H Greene. Still can't figure out why he has pitched in games.
 
My best guess is Krall probably approached Bell about mapping out a move to another role in the organization, and Bell in response probably told him to just go ahead and fire him if that was the plan. After all, we know the Castellinis don’t want to pay people to not work — even though they’ve had to with Moustakas, Akiyama, Myers, etc. because Krall is incompetent at his job.
 
I have no info but the timing makes it seem like something happened - Bell having a strong disagreement with Krall or something.

And yes, the team has seemingly just quit after the firing.
The front office better get to the bottom of why the team turns nearly every early-afternoon game into a sad-sack slumber party. Are guys out partying late? Do guys need their eyes checked if they can’t hit in the sun? Is it just total lethargy and laziness due to a total lack of managerial and player leadership?

It’s more than just a coincidence at this point why this team is relatively good at night and absolutely atrocious in early afternoon games.
 
because Krall is incompetent at his job.
Please name a time in the last 50 years that the Reds have more young talent on the active roster and in the minors? Especially young arms??? Do you know the Reds were projected by most to win 78 games this season? Sure, I have some disappointments, but some guys developed and I just feel this is the maturation process of young players. Now I'd really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like to see this team take a different approach offensively and stress contact and less strikeouts. This is the only flaw of Elly's right now. Way way too many strikeouts.
 
I have no info but the timing makes it seem like something happened - Bell having a strong disagreement with Krall or something.

And yes, the team has seemingly just quit after the firing.
Who cares, Bell is gone! That was the goal. We need more fire in the dugout. Bell and Benevedes is too bland.
 
At the time that Bell was let go the Reds were 76-81 I believe. Last year this team went 82-80 which warranted Bell a three year extension. The question being with the Reds being literally within 6 games of last year's record and the complete lineup destruction that the injuries forced, how/why was Bell's job in danger? Next year's season ticket sales? Krall saving his own rear end? How do you bring in a new manager and tell them oh btw here's your pitching coach, probably the most important coaching position including the manager?
Again not a Bell fan but then you see the article regarding the money he is still owed and it's impact on the new hire and it appears the Brown family has taken ownership of the Reds.
Nice way to end the year as well, 3 runs scored in 5 games.
Go let me ask you, when contract labor goes into negotiations, do you think they start at one year? Of course not. The team may have felt with the younguns last year they could extend Bell and keep the mojo going. My guess is Bell's people wanted a 4-5 year extention and they settled on 3. Who cares about the terms. The team clearly had some issues this year with fundamental baserunning and defensive flaws and upper management felt Bell wasn't addressing them enough. End of job. We gave Bell plenty of time and rope and it was time for him to be done. I think we clearly know now the "protecting" the players was more of Bell thing than anyone elses.
 
So since the season is over, time to dream. I see that it appears that Paul Goldschimidt and Nolan Arrenado are likely done in St. Louis? Do you consider kicking the tires on one or both of them? Alot you like Ty France but I just think Goldschmidt is a different level. Also, I just think the Reds need a veteran clubhouse presence change. I know the Reds internally talk about the culture, but maybe it's not working? Maybe we have guys that are too comfortable? I think about the 1990 team and Billy Hatcher and Todd Benzinger were added to those teams.
 
So since the season is over, time to dream. I see that it appears that Paul Goldschimidt and Nolan Arrenado are likely done in St. Louis? Do you consider kicking the tires on one or both of them? Alot you like Ty France but I just think Goldschmidt is a different level. Also, I just think the Reds need a veteran clubhouse presence change. I know the Reds internally talk about the culture, but maybe it's not working? Maybe we have guys that are too comfortable? I think about the 1990 team and Billy Hatcher and Todd Benzinger were added to those teams.
So your dream scenario for the Reds is to add those guys? They are 37 and 34 years old, make $26M and $24M, and both just had their worst season in a decade. They are corner infielders, which we have too many of now.

Sounds more like a nightmare to me. They are likely about washed up. Hard pass.
 
So your dream scenario for the Reds is to add those guys? They are 37 and 34 years old, make $26M and $24M, and both just had their worst season in a decade. They are corner infielders, which we have too many of now.

Sounds more like a nightmare to me. They are likely about washed up. Hard pass.
Ok, and it's not a dream scenario, I said "kicking the tires". My thought was that possibly the market has shrunk up on them and you could get them for less than what they make now. We are not necessarily married to our corner infielders. It was just a thought.
 
Ok, and it's not a dream scenario, I said "kicking the tires". My thought was that possibly the market has shrunk up on them and you could get them for less than what they make now. We are not necessarily married to our corner infielders. It was just a thought.
Arenado is under contract through 2027 at $21M, $16M and $15M annually, plus has deferred money owed through 2041 that I’m not sure who would be responsible for paying if he were moved. There is no way the Reds would trade for that when they’re already paying bad money to Candelario.

As for Goldschmidt, he’s old and the Reds already have too many 1B/DH types on the roster.
 
Arenado is under contract through 2027 at $21M, $16M and $15M annually, plus has deferred money owed through 2041 that I’m not sure who would be responsible for paying if he were moved. There is no way the Reds would trade for that when they’re already paying bad money to Candelario.

As for Goldschmidt, he’s old and the Reds already have too many 1B/DH types on the roster.
Didn't know that on Arrenodo, saw an X post that made it appear he was done in St. Louie. I know I was previously ok with putting CES at first, but I think you could at least talk to Goldschmidt and see what it would take. He's not the PG of 3-4 years ago, but in GABP he may be revitalized a little. Just a thought. Plus I think we need some veteran leadership as well.
 
At the time that Bell was let go the Reds were 76-81 I believe. Last year this team went 82-80 which warranted Bell a three year extension. The question being with the Reds being literally within 6 games of last year's record and the complete lineup destruction that the injuries forced, how/why was Bell's job in danger? Next year's season ticket sales? Krall saving his own rear end? How do you bring in a new manager and tell them oh btw here's your pitching coach, probably the most important coaching position including the manager?
Again not a Bell fan but then you see the article regarding the money he is still owed and it's impact on the new hire and it appears the Brown family has taken ownership of the Reds.
Nice way to end the year as well, 3 runs scored in 5 games.
 
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