Swimming at the Next Level

 
From College Swimming.com:

Garzinski, Jennifer N - Lebanon, OH
School: Liberty University

Vandiford, Christopher - Springfield, OH
School: Middlebury College

Rosler, William - Bexley, OH
School: Northwestern University

DiSalle, Michael - Toledo, OH
School: Ohio State University

Reeder, Sam - Worthington, OH
School: Miami University (Ohio)

Marquiss, Andrea M - Solon, OH
School: Miami University (Ohio)

Gutierrez, Jose - Cincinnati, OH
School: Purdue University

Hammerberg, Kayla - Upper Arlington, OH
School: Virginia Polytechnic Institute (Virginia Tech)

Ormond, Kelly - Cuyahoga Falls, OH
School: Wheaton College (Illinois)

Lewis, Rachael - Wilmington, OH
School: Louisville, University of

Monahan, Sean - Cincinnati, OH
School: Ohio State University

Osterhage, Raymond - Dayton, OH
School: Ohio State University

Meldon, Michael - Strongsville, OH
School: Ohio State University

Knapp, Amanda - Twinsburg, OH
School: Gannon University

Stewart-Bates, Ben - Moreland Hills, OH
School: Davidson College

Joseph, Katie - McDonald, OH
School: Gannon University

Chin, Abigail F - Columbus, OH
School: Louisville, University of

Caldwell, Austin - Loveland, OH
School: Pittsburgh, University of

Hornis, Hannah - Hudson, OH
School: Toledo, University of

Lanson, Elaina - Wadsworth, OH
School: Georgia Southern University

Barbiea, Kellie - Springboro, OH
School: Missouri, University of

Srail, Morgan - Avon Lake, OH
School: Ohio University

Gysegem, Emilee - Warren, OH
School: Clarion University

Pearce, Stephanie - Cincinnati, OH
School: Miami University (Ohio)

Barbiea, Danielle - Springboro, OH
School: Louisville, University of

Negenborn, Nick - , OH
School: West Virginia University

Cormack, Caitlin - Bedford, OH
School: Toledo, University of


Also, from Columbus Dispatch: Tim O'Brien of Dublin Coffman has signed to swim at Cincinnati

Also, I believe Tyler Simonton is to Miami (Ohio) and Cooper Staton is to University of Kentucky
 
Claudia Doyle, Thomas Worthington to Buffalo
Carly Davis, Thomas Worthington to Xavier

Not sure if Tyler Simonton as decided to swim. Hope he does!

Any word on Zimmerman. Heard OSU, but no confirmation. OSU reports 20 incoming freshman
 
Preeder--I would be interested in understanding OSU's perspective, and the recruits' perspective, for the enormous number to OSU's roster.
 
RussRosler said:
From College Swimming.com:

Also, from Columbus Dispatch: Tim O'Brien of Dublin Coffman has signed to swim at Cincinnati
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Hmmmm. I think the only thing you sign for Cincinnati is your check to pay tuition. The swim team lost all scholarships a couple years ago, so there is no such thing as signing a letter of intent when UC doesn't have one to offer.


RussRosler said:
Preeder--I would be interested in understanding OSU's perspective, and the recruits' perspective, for the enormous number to OSU's roster.
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I think OSU's perspective is simple...bring in a bunch of walk-on's and see if anyone survives. If someone actually has a drastic improvement and makes it to the Big-10 conference meet, it cost them nothing but some time/effort. And OSU benefits from their tuition/room&board/etc.

The walk-on's perspective is probably simple too: they all think they will be that one standout that has a dramatic improvement and makes the championship team.

It would be interesting to see the actual numbers. How many OSU non-scholarship freshman have managed to earn a spot on the championship team and earned a scholarship the next year? I know one that scored points as a freshman and was offered nothing.

BTW, has OSU published next season's class? I haven't seen it on their web site. Maybe preeder can share the info.
 
ImPartial said:
It would be interesting to see the actual numbers. How many OSU non-scholarship freshman have managed to earn a spot on the championship team and earned a scholarship the next year? I know one that scored points as a freshman and was offered nothing.
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Keep in mind that under NCAA regulations D1 men's swimming has less than 10 scholarships to give out. Very few if any swimmers even at the top swimming schools have a full scholarship. And the partial scholarships that are given go only to the best of the best. So, it is not surprising that a freshman might score points for the championship team and still receive no scholarship money. D1 men's swimming remains populated by true student athletes. In some ways that is refreshing to see such effort and loyalty to the sport while receiving little monetary reward.
 
I just talked to Coach Wadley last week. Sam was looking at OSU, but they have a lot of great sprinters now (Schnur, Fahrbach, Holmes, Birnbrich, Philips, Schuster) Huffman will be eligible to swim this coming season and then they have Disalle and Meldon as incoming freshman. Currently listing 47 guys on the roster and collegeswimming lists these out of state guys coming in:

Sean Johnson, Jared Kauffman, Conner McDonald, Keanu Stevenson and Nicholas Wright, in addition to the 5 Ohioans already listed.

Realistically, all the big programs are bringing in lots of swimmers with the hopes of a standout or two, but the majority of the walk-ons will move down to the club teams.

When you win Big Tens and you have arguably one of the fastest pools in the country, you get your pick. Lots of swimmers just want their shot.
 
More Collegeswimming.com info (all hail OSU!):

Zimmerman, Steven C - Morrow, OH
School: Ohio State University

Braun, Andrew - Louisville, KY
School: Ohio State University

Williams, Rowan - Ottawa Hills, OH
School: Ohio State University
 
It looks like OSU is getting most of the top talent in the state. Guess the new facility is beginning to pay off.
 
From the Cincinnati newspaper last week:

Seven members of the St. Xavier swimming team have committed to continue their careers at the college level, according to the St. X program.

The members include Gabe Baumgartner (Ohio State), Kyle Freudiger (University of Tampa), Ryan Haas (Air Force), John Kelley (Centre College), Robert Lawley (Denison), Matt Montague (Denison) and David Thomas (University of Chicago).

“It is extremely gratifying to the coaches and teammates to see these athletes take their aquatic experiences to the next level,” St. X coach Jim Brower said in a statement. “Their journey continues and we wish them well as they continue what we call ‘The Long Blue Lane.’”
 
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swimfan said:
It looks like OSU is getting most of the top talent in the state. Guess the new facility is beginning to pay off.
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As an OSU grad, I am happy to see a great recruiting class, but it does concern me some for the boys committing. OSU had 47 on last year's roster, 10 seniors leaving, 17 freshmen moving up and 20+ recruits coming in. That is a lot of guys competing for a 24 man travel squad and 9 scholarships.

Collegeswimming.com rates the class an A-, best in the Big Ten.
 
preeder61 said:
As an OSU grad, I am happy to see a great recruiting class, but it does concern me some for the boys committing. OSU had 47 on last year's roster, 10 seniors leaving, 17 freshmen moving up and 20+ recruits coming in. That is a lot of guys competing for a 24 man travel squad and 9 scholarships.

Collegeswimming.com rates the class an A-, best in the Big Ten.
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Is one spot on the travel squad usually used for diving? Looks like there were seven seniors on the travel squad last year. So 20+ recruits, plus guys like Huffman, Schuster, Spangler, Trebilcock, Vigar that didn't make the travel squad last year make the odds less than favorable. One would think this should push Ohio past Indiana into second place, but not clear whether it is enough to get past Michigan.

The odds are a lot better at Miami where they lost six seniors and only look like they added two real recruits. That may be good for the two freshmen, but it doesn't look like their team will improve any upon their 4th place finish in the MAC. In fact, MSU has a strong class and could move past Miami this year.
 
the travel squad and championship squad can be two different numbers. For conference champs and ncaa, the squad can be 18. Divers count as 1/2. If you look at OSU's in season schedule, they do not leave town much. If they do looks like they only travel to in state schools to boost their win numbers or to border states.

you can look at OSU this way. If you really want to go to school there and swim, and you do not already have uss national cuts, you will probably train 4-5 hours/day and swim fly on the E 200 medley relay. Your taper meet will be Ohio senior meet or uss sectionals in long course. You can imagine yourself improving enough to move up a few spots. They will always have a new class of 15+ freshmen who want your spot.

Or you can go to Miami, get a great education, and score points at the MAC. At the end of 4 years (if you stick it out), you will have a degree and swimming will be a fun memory.
 
Numbers are always a plus to a program. Aside from the facility the other major change at OSU is the creation of a club team that expects to develop into a national player. They aren't Club Wolverine yet, but give Goodrich a few years and he'll be competing with the big boys. All that ads up to good news for OSU swimming and club swimming in Ohio.
 
i dont know if you will ever see osu's club team at that level, not with the strength of local clubs like gcsto, wac, wor, ua, etc.
those clubs wont be bought out as club wolverine did to many of the clubs in michigan around ann arbor, combine that with some animosity towards ossc and it could be an uphill climb, although i do think the club will make it
 
theoldfish said:
Or you can go to Miami, get a great education, and score points at the MAC. At the end of 4 years (if you stick it out), you will have a degree and swimming will be a fun memory.
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Exactly the reason my son is going to Miami. He is just not fast enough to stay on the OSU squad as a freshman, yet can make a contribution and enjoy his time at Miami. I think OSU has a great program, but knowing where your swimmer fits best and what their goals are become important factors in choosing a college. I hope that Miami's recruiting class, although not as strong as better financially supported MAC programs, will move the men's program up the MAC conference board this season.
 
ImPartial said:
How are you measuring that? If you know that Miami is poorly financially supported, is that an indication that the program might be on the cutting block soon?
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I sure hope not, by all discussions it is stable. I read recently that Missouri State and Buffalo had more scholarship money available than other MAC men's teams. I will try to track down the article, but here is the collegeswimming.com recruiting scoring for the MAC (based on swimmers registered in their database, which is not complete)

http://www.collegeswimming.com/news/2011/jun/27/recruiting-gradebook-mvc-mac/
 
preeder61 said:
I sure hope not, by all discussions it is stable. I read recently that Missouri State and Buffalo had more scholarship money available than other MAC men's teams. I will try to track down the article, but here is the collegeswimming.com recruiting scoring for the MAC (based on swimmers registered in their database, which is not complete)

http://www.collegeswimming.com/news/2011/jun/27/recruiting-gradebook-mvc-mac/
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I googled but didn't come up with much. MSU had some sort of shake-up last year and went from 22 swimmers down to 16, losing several top swimmers and point-scorers from the previous season. So in addition to graduating seniors, they appear to have more scholarship holes to fill than normal. That doesn't mean they had more money to start with, but maybe they had more money this year than in a normal year.

Buffalo on the other hand, looked like they had zero scholarship money this year and still landed three pretty good recruits. I have heard rumor they lost a walk-on from Ohio that scored over 20 points at MAC yet had no scholly money to reward. Success breeds success, and makes the program more appealing. Look at Buffalo results at MAC champs since 2006:

5th (last), 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st

Here is Miami's trend since they won in 2006:

1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th

I would have thought with all the seniors that Miami graduated that they would have been able to attract several swimmers with scholarship. Who knows, maybe they decided to spend scholarships on divers instead. But if it's true Miami is funding their swimming less than their MAC peers, the resulting trend is telling.
 
Miami has 3.9 scholorships they spread around to male swimmers. The same amount they had in 2006. Eastern and Buffalo may be fully funded with the max 9.9. Unless you score top 8 at NCAA, I doubt you will get a full ride from any school. You can aquire more funds for college from getting good grades and test scores than you ever can with swimming. Somehow you also get a lot more money if you come from a single parent home based on fasfa.
 
RussRosler said:
Patrick Greitzer--Catholic Central (Springfield) High School--Miami University (Ohio)
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Miami has posted their roster and Greitzer is missing...any info?

Also looks like they picked up a state champ from Missouri in the 500 and 2IM:

http://townandcountry-manchester.pa...th-senior-hopes-to-swim-his-way-into-the-navy

Looks like the Navy didn't work out for him. Tough choice on day 1 of champs where 4:31.67 and 1:52.39 would put him about sixth in either event for returning MAC swimmers.

PReeder, have you seen Miami's schedule yet? They are still showing the schedule for last year on their web site.
 
ImPartial said:
Miami has posted their roster and Greitzer is missing...any info?

Also looks like they picked up a state champ from Missouri in the 500 and 2IM:

http://townandcountry-manchester.pa...th-senior-hopes-to-swim-his-way-into-the-navy

Looks like the Navy didn't work out for him. Tough choice on day 1 of champs where 4:31.67 and 1:52.39 would put him about sixth in either event for returning MAC swimmers.

PReeder, have you seen Miami's schedule yet? They are still showing the schedule for last year on their web site.
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We have housing assignments and Greitzer has a roommate and dorm, so maybe he just did not fill out the request for the roster bio. There were two other freshmen who were not on the roster list, but have dorm assignments as well. I have not seen the schedule for 11-12 yet either. Andrew Kilkenny looks like another decent recruit to add to a reasonable line up of 500 guys including last year's MAC champion Alex Rheinhardt.
 
preeder61 said:
We have housing assignments and Greitzer has a roommate and dorm, so maybe he just did not fill out the request for the roster bio. There were two other freshmen who were not on the roster list, but have dorm assignments as well. I have not seen the schedule for 11-12 yet either. Andrew Kilkenny looks like another decent recruit to add to a reasonable line up of 500 guys including last year's MAC champion Alex Rheinhardt.
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Updated roster now posted. 32 swimmers, including 7 500 guys and 5 butterfly. When is the first cut?

With Kilkenny as their best IM (probably top-6 in MAC), I would think he would swim that rather than 500.

Still no schedule, but most of their opponents from last season have schedules already. Based on those, Miami's looks something like this:

10/7 Miami at SIU
10/22 Xavier at Miami
10/28 Miami at Purdue
11/12 Kenyon at Miami
12/1-3 Miami Invite: Miami, SIU, ...
1/20 Miami at Cleveland State
1/21 Miami at UB
1/27 Miami at Ball State
2/4 EMU at Miami

3/1-3: MAC Championships at Miami

My guess is they will swim against Cincinnati at some point and maybe Evansville.
 
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