St. X new PrepNation #1, DLS #2, MNW #3

[D-Swizzel102]

St. X's opponents have much better offenses on average than DLS's

really?

prove it

st eds scored 125 points all year

elder lost to st eds

moeller couldnt beat a mediocre mv team

de matha beat a losing team 7-6

and we hear over and over ohio teams are more conservative run oriented because of the weather

try using some facts instead of blanket unproven generalities

your statement has nothing to do with real facts

But can I not make that argument? Prove that the offenses DLS played aren't as tough as the ones X played...Can you do that? It's all relative.

BTW, Ed's scored 0 against X, Elder scored 7 points that mattered in 2 games against X, DeMatha scored 7, and Moeller scored 14 on their senior night against their archrivals. X's defense took care of business in those games. I was referring more to Mentor, Coffman, Trinity, LS, etc. as the "high-powered offenses" X faced.

Classic example of confirmation bias. Any stat you see that helps your argument will automatically be declared the "correct" fact in your own mind. Any Intro to Psychology class will teach you this. Therefore, it is impossible to argue with you, for anything we say you will simply disregard, because you are acting out of your emotional responses to info presented to you as opposed to using your actual reasoning ability. It's the same for everybody. Basically, nothing we argue about on here is worth a damn thing, because we'll never change anyone's opinions.

In closing,

State Champs.

arty: arty: arty: arty: arty:

 

[consumerman]

But can I not make that argument? Prove that the offenses DLS played aren't as tough as the ones X played...Can you do that? It's all relative.

BTW, Ed's scored 0 against X, Elder scored 7 points that mattered in 2 games against X, DeMatha scored 7, and Moeller scored 14 on their senior night against their archrivals. X's defense took care of business in those games. I was referring more to Mentor, Coffman, Trinity, LS, etc. as the "high-powered offenses" X faced.

Classic example of confirmation bias. Any stat you see that helps your argument will automatically be declared the "correct" fact in your own mind. Any Intro to Psychology class will teach you this. Therefore, it is impossible to argue with you, for anything we say you will simply disregard, because you are acting out of your emotional responses to info presented to you as opposed to using your actual reasoning ability. It's the same for everybody. Basically, nothing we argue about on here is worth a damn thing, because we'll never change anyone's opinions.

In closing,

State Champs.

arty: arty: arty: arty: arty:

you're the sweetie who said beating teams that suck 80-0 is not impressive

unfortunately that is not the facts

21 points in 12 first halves vs 24 points in one first half

that is not opinion that is a fact

 

[coletrain06]

You don't understand Consumerman,

didn't you know that the St. X fans cling to the SOS argument for dear life. Thats all they say. They should have a sign that says "SOS" hanging around their neck, so they wouldn't have to say it all the damn time. Didn't you know that your opponents are way weaker than X's and your schedule is crap? lol

We hear the same crap out of them every year.

IMO there are around five teams with legitimate claims to #1. MNW, St. X, DLS, Katy, and Prattville. I think any of these teams could be #1 and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[WrongPerson]

You don't understand Consumerman,

didn't you know that the St. X fans cling to the SOS argument for dear life. Thats all they say. They should have a sign that says "SOS" hanging around their neck, so they wouldn't have to say it all the damn time. Didn't you know that your opponents are way weaker than X's and your schedule is crap? lol

We hear the same crap out of them every year.

IMO there are around five teams with legitimate claims to #1. MNW, St. X, DLS, Katy, and Prattville. I think any of these teams could be #1 and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Not Katy...Personally I dont think they're top 5 material, although I may have just saw them on a not so great game - i didnt see anything too special with them, as for Prattville, no idea about them.

 

[WoodyHayes]

Mnw Is Number One

Any thing other than that is a friggin joke. X could not move the ball against Coffman. Not a knock on Coffman but comparing Coffmans defense to MNW is laughable. As for Southlake Carroll, they are REAL fortunate to get beat by only 8. This team traveled to a hostile environment and physically put the worst 8 point a-- whuppin known to man. They adjusted and shut SLC out in the 2nd half.
Why do I pick MNW as the best?
1 - The defense would devour Ashley like a shark eating a baitfish
2 - They would get to your soph QB and whupp his a--. This team was laying out SLC kids and bloodied Riley Dodge up pretty good. If Hurley would have stayed healthy and developed the passing game, it would have been a better game.
4 - MNW would have scored at least 3 times on X. Remember when the kids were blowing by your defenders but the QB could not get them the ball? This Harris kid to Streeter would have put the hurt on anyone.
5 - X had a fine team. But these kids and the athletiscm of MNW is comparable to one very few teams have.

Now a game that I would love to see would have been 04 Colerain against the Bulls. There would have been more speed on that field on both sides of the ball that you would need an oxygen mask to keep up.

 

[Baron Von Steuben]

Just watched DLS versus Centenial. DLS has very good skilled players. I believe X is better up front and wins by 7. Bothered me that DLS blew a 31-7 lead and was deadlocked in the 4th quarter. The best teams put their opposition to sleep with that kind of lead. DLS hung on for the 37-31 win.

 

[WoodyHayes]

Cali Teams

Just watched DLS versus Centenial. DLS has very good skilled players. I believe X is better up front and wins by 7. Bothered me that DLS blew a 31-7 lead and was deadlocked in the 4th quarter. The best teams put their opposition to sleep with that kind of lead. DLS hung on for thr 37-31 win.

That team DLS played looked like they had a bunch of greased little hogs. Hard to grab em. If DLS did not play so disciplined ball and hit there assignments, they probably lose. I sure like that Coach Ladd. I did not know he teaches theology. Is he a religous man? Seems like a cool customer to me. Did you get to watch the MNW game? I believe X and DLS is a good game but MNW has seperation between em all.

 

[Chicago]

I saw the game on TV.

Great interview with Ladouceur before the game.

He said that most teams watch film of DLS and then figure they can beat DLS.

He said he imagined that Centennial, like almost every other team, felt they could beat DLS after having watched them.

Then he said that after he watched film of Centennial, he, too, felt like they could beat DLS.

 

[Chicago]

DLS is new #1 in CalPreps/MaxPreps.

In PrepNation, DLS and Centennial both dropped, which is plausible, if they both looked bad (or not great, depending on how you want to put it), but still rough.

If you beat #10 37-31, and they only drop one, it's hard to see you dropping three.

It could make sense, but just because it could make sense does not mean it does make sense.

I am not sure how big the difference between the #5 and #11 teams in the country is supposed to be, but if you assume it's supposed to be six, it's going to be hard to maintain any logical consistency throughout all of the teams in the country.

 

[consumerman]

Bothered me that DLS blew a 31-7 lead and was deadlocked in the 4th quarter. The best teams put their opposition to sleep with that kind of lead.

yes how did that weak nogood team DLS ever win 151 games in a row?

St X is truly awesome as they have had 2 undefeated years in the last 25 years

DLS has had 18

maybe ST X can teach DLS how to hold on to leads and win better\

sweetie

 

[consumerman]

DLS hung on for the 37-31 win.

it least it didnt go to 3 overtimes against an unranked team

and in the semis, ST X woud have lost had the other team had 15-20 more seconds on the clock

talk about hanging on

DLS scored on a long drive when the game was on the line and then stopped the other team on downs and then intercepted the last 2 CC drives

hung on

yeah buddy while ST X dominated St Iggy and the semis

LMAO

DLS oustcored its 13 opponents 394-28 in the first half, never once giving up more than 7 points in the first half

St X gave up 24 points in the first half of ONE GAME

CC offense is light years better than Trinity's so dont even go there

 

[Chicago]

Did any of you see the freeze-frame of the DLS kid laid out horizontally tackling the QB on the 4th and 2 and forcing the pitch that resulted in the five-yard loss?

And the kid with pitch responsibility was right there to tackle the RB.

Absolutely typical DLS. Right place, right time, right technique, selling out.

I thought it was nice that maybe the key moment was the trailing team getting stopped on a pitch to the left on 4th and short, just like last year.

 

[Chicago]

I think you have to watch DLS a lot to believe they match up with very athletic teams.

Time after time they beat extremely athletic teams. And then everyone thinks that the next extremely athletic team will beat them. And then they beat that team. But surely they won't match up with the next extremely athletic team. But they do. And on it goes.

I wouldn't necessarily pick DLS over Xavier or MNW, but I wouldn't pick against them, either. So the other teams are, or seem to be, more athletic. The past has shown that that's not really a determining factor in DLS games.

The teams from the Drew/Williams/Landri era must have been phenomenal.

 

[consumerman]

I think you have to watch DLS a lot to believe they match up with very athletic teams.

Time after time they beat extremely athletic teams. And then everyone thinks that the next extremely athletic team will beat them. And then they beat that team. But surely they won't match up with the next extremely athletic team. But they do. And on it goes.

I wouldn't necessarily pick DLS over Xavier or MNW, but I wouldn't pick against them, either. So the other teams are, or seem to be, more athletic. The past has shown that that's not really a determining factor in DLS games.

The teams from the Drew/Williams/Landri era must have been phenomenal.

you often see misinformed peole (sorry but a lot of x homers on this site make the same mistake) saying two things that dls backers laugh at

1) "DLS has some good athletes but our line will outplay their line.....with the inference they are bigger and stronger"

2) "DLS will wear down because a lot of their guys are forced to play both ways"

the reality is DLS wants small quick lineman, not big hulking slow as molasses lineman

and DLS is not forced to play some players bith way

they choose to

DLS plays the way it wants to

their record stands alone

 

[Price_Hillbilly]

DLS hung on for the 37-31 win.

it least it didnt go to 3 overtimes against an unranked team

and in the semis, ST X woud have lost had the other team had 15-20 more seconds on the clock

talk about hanging on

DLS scored on a long drive when the game was on the line and then stopped the other team on downs and then intercepted the last 2 CC drives

hung on

yeah buddy while ST X dominated St Iggy and the semis

LMAO

DLS oustcored its 13 opponents 394-28 in the first half, never once giving up more than 7 points in the first half

St X gave up 24 points in the first half of ONE GAME

CC offense is light years better than Trinity's so dont even go there

D-Swizzel owns you.... Absolutely OWNS you. EVERY SINGLE POST you make is the same selective reasoning. It's quite obvious that you don't understand psychology.

 

[Chicago]

Every single post?

Are you sure you are not just thinking of the posts that support your point (if any really do)?

 

[consumerman]

But can I not make that argument? Prove that the offenses DLS played aren't as tough as the ones X played...Can you do that? It's all relative.

BTW, Ed's scored 0 against X, Elder scored 7 points that mattered in 2 games against X, DeMatha scored 7, and Moeller scored 14 on their senior night against their archrivals. X's defense took care of business in those games. I was referring more to Mentor, Coffman, Trinity, LS, etc. as the "high-powered offenses" X faced.

Classic example of confirmation bias. Any stat you see that helps your argument will automatically be declared the "correct" fact in your own mind. Any Intro to Psychology class will teach you this. Therefore, it is impossible to argue with you, for anything we say you will simply disregard, because you are acting out of your emotional responses to info presented to you as opposed to using your actual reasoning ability. It's the same for everybody. Basically, nothing we argue about on here is worth a damn thing, because we'll never change anyone's opinions.

In closing,

State Champs.

see coletrain post #33
umm sorry I made it past intro to psychology and took advanced classes such as abnormal psych and you may very well be a representative case
I also minored in philosophy in which debate and logic were lower division requirements

ummm st x gave up 24 points in 1 first half
against one of the best offenses in the country dls gave up 7 first half points
and only allowed 28 points in 13 first halves total

despite playing thise offensive wunderkings elder, moeller, st eds and dematha
I have seen grade school teams with better offenses than these pieces of garbage

oh by the way DLS completed its 18th undefeated season
and won the CIF Division 1 state championship

california is just a wee bit bigger than ohio

and is still undefeated in the herbie against those tough gcl teams and a cleveland area power

celebrate some more

and let us know when you have 18 undefeated seasons and a number 1 ranking in at least poll 9 separate years including this year

in a game that st x gets all the breaks vs DLS they ight win 24-20
in a game that DLS gets the breaks they win 35-13
in a game which no team can make excuses I take DLS 28-20

 

[consumerman]

Every single post?

Are you sure you are not just thinking of the posts that support your point (if any really do)?

chi man

look at his sn (hillbilly)
that should tell you everything

D Swizzel is a St X homer
what else needs to be said

 

[Baron Von Steuben]

Bothered me that DLS blew a 31-7 lead and was deadlocked in the 4th quarter. The best teams put their opposition to sleep with that kind of lead.

yes how did that weak nogood team DLS ever win 151 games in a row?

St X is truly awesome as they have had 2 undefeated years in the last 25 years

DLS has had 18

maybe ST X can teach DLS how to hold on to leads and win better\

sweetie

You are quite the douche-bag, aren't you. DLS blows a 31-7 second lead, and the sum of your argument is that DLS won 151 games in a row in the past; which means jack-s**t this year, loser. You're pathetic. It really bothers you that X is better this season. Get a freaking life.

 

[consumerman]

You are quite the douche-bag, aren't you. DLS blows a 31-7 second lead, and the sum of your argument is that DLS won 151 games in a row in the past; which means jack-s**t this year, loser. You're pathetic. It really bothers you that X is better this season. Get a freaking life.

actually what was funny was your comment that good teams know how to sustain and put away a team when they lead 31-7

since DLS did not do that despite winning the game, the inference you made is DLS is not a good team

the 151 games in a row was a lesson to you about your smartass remark

DLS was more dominant in its win in ths state final than St x was in its state semifinal

there is no question

St X allowed 24 points in one first half
DLS allowed 28 points in thirteen first halves


DLS is now ranked ahead of ST X in at least 2 polls
and St X is ranked #1 in just one poll total

how do you ike them apples?

st x being a better team than DLS is your homer opinion

opinions dont matter

 

[consumerman]

You are quite the douche-bag, aren't you. DLS blows a 31-7 second lead, and the sum of your argument is that DLS won 151 games in a row in the past; which means jack-s**t this year, loser. You're pathetic. It really bothers you that X is better this season. Get a freaking life.

It really bothers you that X is better this season

lets hear the Ohio boys tout all the rankings of ST X opponents according to calpreps and tell us how tough ST X schedule was

then we wil ask them who calpreps rates higher after the season is complete

I will give you a hint, its not ST X

 

[concha]

PROJECT A MATCHUP


neutral field
[2007] St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 28, [2007] De La Salle (Concord, CA) 21

 

[EaglePride01]

It really bothers you that X is better this season

lets hear the Ohio boys tout all the rankings of ST X opponents according to calpreps and tell us how tough ST X schedule was

then we wil ask them who calpreps rates higher after the season is complete

I will give you a hint, its not ST X

According to calpreps, X's schedule still blows DLS out of the water. I dont think you can debate the merit of the St. Xavier schedule. DLS being ranked #1 by calpreps just goes to show that SOS is not the determining factor in their ranking system. And I have no beef about the final ranking in any of these polls. X, DLS, or MNW are all fine choices.

Any congrats to your Spartans by the way on another title. I missed the game on TV. Do you know if Fox Sports will be replaying it anytime soon? I really wanted to check out Centennial as well.

And on another note, Cali and FLA football were on another level this year in terms of depth of elite teams. I give a slight edge to Cali from the games that I saw throughout the year.

 

[consumerman]

According to calpreps, X's schedule still blows DLS out of the water. I dont think you can debate the merit of the St. Xavier schedule. DLS being ranked #1 by calpreps just goes to show that SOS is not the determining factor in their ranking system. And I have no beef about the final ranking in any of these polls. X, DLS, or MNW are all fine choices.

Any congrats to your Spartans by the way on another title. I missed the game on TV. Do you know if Fox Sports will be replaying it anytime soon? I really wanted to check out Centennial as well.

And on another note, Cali and FLA football were on another level this year in terms of depth of elite teams. I give a slight edge to Cali from the games that I saw throughout the year.

I read somewhere trhat 8 PM tonight west coast time will be a rebroadcast

i can assure you if this year is like last year, all 3 games will be rebroadcast many times in the next few weeks as I painfully had to endure the Canyon - DLS game over and over

I agree all 3 are fine choices I just like the irony of the St X apologists always touting calppeps as a source for SOS and now calpreps ranks DLS #1

 

[consumerman]

Just watched DLS versus Centenial. DLS has very good skilled players. I believe X is better up front and wins by 7. Bothered me that DLS blew a 31-7 lead and was deadlocked in the 4th quarter. The best teams put their opposition to sleep with that kind of lead. DLS hung on for the 37-31 win.

second point

I guess The Patriots cant be any good either

after all they had a big lead in the AFC championship and the Colts rallied to beat them

right Einstein?

oh I forgot, NE lost, DLS won

SHEESH

from an Ohio homer whose champion trailed by 10 points and gave up 24 in the first half of a regular season game (DLS trailed once all year, 7-0 but tied it up on their first possession), DLS gave up 28 points in 13 first halves, ST X gave up 24 in one first half

a champion that took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

a champion that barely scraped by a semifinal game 10-7 when the other team had the ball DEEP in ST X territory and just another 20-30 seconds on the clock and St X goes down

but you are right, only good teams hold on to leads and DLS and the Patriots can't be good teams

riggggggggggggggggggggght

 

[D-Swizzel102]

D Swizzel is a St X homer
what else needs to be said

D-Swizzel is also going to college for free. I felt like that needed to be said.

I'm a St. X homer. You're a California homer. That's the point I made before. Nothing we say on here will make a bit of difference. Standard psychology. You should know that, what with your self-proclaimed extensive education in the psychology field. Why keep trying to drive home a point that you know very well won't register with any of us Ohio HS football blowhards? Just makes you seem like a pompous, stubborn, chest pounding sweetie. And a computer may have you as number 1 in the country, but it appears on average, St. X dominates... http://calpreps.com/cgi-bin/2007/polls_view.pl?poll=compilation&week=12/17&submit=submit

And also,
State Champs.

 

[Chicago]

If you are going to college for free you must be right about everything.

So I will not address any of your arguments.

But if any of you people who paid for college, or didn't go to college, say ridiculously stupid things, be assured I will point it out.

 

[Dreadnaught07]

Boone vs Miami Northwestern

Dont know if anyone posted about it yet, but I think someone asked.

Orlando Boone "Braves" (14-0) vs Miami Northwestern "Bulls" (14-0)
Final Score
***41-0 Miami Northwestern***​

Miami Northwestern dominated Boone, even after only scoring 6 Points in the first quarter. A Defensive fumble recovery for a Touchdown and a Blocked punt for a Touchdown put the game out of reach.

Side Note*

Miami Northwesterns Defense, despite being on the field for over 30 minutes, only allowed 100 Yards total Offense (Miami Northwestern had 375 Yards)

 

[D-Swizzel102]

If you are going to college for free you must be right about everything.

So I will not address any of your arguments.

But if any of you people who paid for college, or didn't go to college, say ridiculously stupid things, be assured I will point it out.

Seniors '08. Of course I'm right about everything...

And thank you. That's all I ask.

 

[DLSfanNW]

Did any of you see the freeze-frame of the DLS kid laid out horizontally tackling the QB on the 4th and 2 and forcing the pitch that resulted in the five-yard loss?
.

That was key.

How about when Amack leveled Bass in the first.

I thought it was classy when Bass said "The best team won"