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St. X new PrepNation #1, DLS #2, MNW #3

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# School Record Note LW
1. Cincinnati, Ohio, St. Xavier 15-0-0 beat nine teams that were nationally or regionally ranked this season 2
2. Concord, Calif., De La Salle 12-0-0 won 16th straight section title 3
3. Miami, Fla., Northwestern 14-0-0 tied Miami-Dade County record with 29th straight win 1
 
 
concha said:
BTW, there is no guarantee that X will stay there.

If DLS crushes Centennial, then who knows?
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Their not gonna crush CC. CC will score a lot on DLS. The key to the game will be how CC's defense does against the DLS offense. I think they match up really well with DLS.
 
Given X's performance in the finals, a DLS leapfrog might be tough.

DLS has not been challenged all year. But Centennial is #10 in the nation per PN.

A big win and DLS could do it, despite having basically nothing else on their schedule this year.
 
concha said:
Given X's performance in the finals, a DLS leapfrog might be tough.

DLS has not been challenged all year. But Centennial is #10 in the nation per PN.

A big win and DLS could do it, despite having basically nothing else on their schedule this year.
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St X is the better team

no question
 
DLSfanNW said:
Why? Because they played a harder schedule? Their O has struggled to score at times and their D allowed many more points then the Spartans.

They MIGHT be better but No Question?!
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nothing DLS can do in one remaining game can overcome everything ST X did this year

and DLS may lose or win in a close one

sorry

I am convinced if any team deseves a number 1 it is St X thi syear
 
steeler 01 said:
Their not gonna crush CC. CC will score a lot on DLS. The key to the game will be how CC's defense does against the DLS offense. I think they match up really well with DLS.
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CC will score "lots"...hmmm DLS Starters give up 14 or so points in 12 games in the first half?

I know CC has a big time QB and RB but somehow I think DLS will be ready.
 
WrongPerson said:
There will always be doubt, its just like the BCS system. Its fun to look at and debate about, but its not perfect.
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Agreed. No way to pick or find the best HS team in the nation. X ran the table with arguably the toughest schedule in the country, so they deserve consideration.... as do 3-4 other teams IMO. Rest assured that other polls will not have X as #1.
 
DLSfanNW said:
CC will score "lots"...hmmm DLS Starters give up 14 or so points in 12 games in the first half?

I know CC has a big time QB and RB but somehow I think DLS will be ready.
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DLS hasn't played a team with 1/2 the offense of CC. I'd put the over/under on CC at 24.
 
DLSfanNW - St x gave up more points than Spartans????

DLSfanNW said:
Why? Because they played a harder schedule? Their O has struggled to score at times and their D allowed many more points then the Spartans.

They MIGHT be better but No Question?!
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DLSfanNW,

DLS has given up 119 points in 12 games for an average points per game allowed of 10 points a game ...9.92 if you are rounding.

St Xavier has allowed 133 in 15 games for an average points per game allowed of 9 points a game...8.67 if you are rounding.

How does your statement " and their D allowed many more points then the Spartans." reconcile with the above facts???

I think DLS has an incredible offense and has scored far more than St Xavier...some is offense some is style...its a little harder to throw in the snow...so most Ohio teams are more run oriented and lower scoring.

As A St X fan I would love to see them play and would rate the game a 50/50 toss up. I have absolutely no problem with DLS also making a claim for #1 based on an undefeated season and a great offense. I am a St X fan so I also think we have a legit claim...as do 5 or 6 other teans who are undefeated and played tough schedules.
 
As Consumerman pointed out the DLS starters have given up 21 points in the first half of its games playoffs included (Starters are usually out by the second series of the second half) so that is about two points allowed per game while scoring about 31 points on average.

Cannot argue with the X strength of schedule though. Congradulations on your National Championship.

The Bombers earned it.
 
What's odd to me here is precedence.

Last year Lakeland stumbled through much of their season, yet remained #1 in this poll. MNW had one close game save the SLC game and drops. While I don't have a horse in the race it does strike me as odd.

If I wre a FL fan I would point out that SLC was having it's way until an injury and still should have won the game except a silly play/call in the waning seconds certainly would have advanced. Much like St. X clarifying their close win in 3 OT's because of a young signal caller.

In any case, it does appear odd to me why this year and not last year.
 
phsbomber said:
DLSfanNW,

DLS has given up 119 points in 12 games for an average points per game allowed of 10 points a game ...9.92 if you are rounding.

St Xavier has allowed 133 in 15 games for an average points per game allowed of 9 points a game...8.67 if you are rounding.

How does your statement " and their D allowed many more points then the Spartans." reconcile with the above facts???
I think DLS has an incredible offense and has scored far more than St Xavier...some is offense some is style...its a little harder to throw in the snow...so most Ohio teams are more run oriented and lower scoring.

As A St X fan I would love to see them play and would rate the game a 50/50 toss up. I have absolutely no problem with DLS also making a claim for #1 based on an undefeated season and a great offense. I am a St X fan so I also think we have a legit claim...as do 5 or 6 other teans who are undefeated and played tough schedules.
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you dont understand how DLS plays its games
I will give you some examples

in 2007, DLS led Serra 40-0 a few plays into the second half
the game finished 40-22, Serra's very talented QB had two 90 yard(!!) plus TD RUNS against the DLS scrubs late in the 4th Q
that is 22 points a game, in reality the first team defense shut out Serra

in 2006, DLS led Elder 49-18 after three Q, one ELder TD was a fumble return against the offense (even though replays showed the runner's knee was down when he recovered the fumble)
anyway ELder scored 20 points in the 4th Q against the DLS scrubs
the game finished 56-38
that is 38 points per game, in reality the DLS first string defense allowed 12 points in 3 Q

in 1998, DLS played a Bakersfield team that had 8 shutouts in its last 13 games, DLS led 48-0 two series into the third Q
Bakersfield scored 20 points in the 4th Q against the DLS scrubs
the game finished 48-20, in reality DLS first string defense gave up 0 points in three Q

these are just a few of similar games

In 2007, DLS has outscored its opponents 368-21 in the first half of 12 games

St X gave up 24 points in one first half

you cant use "averaged points allowed" as a true measure of DLS first string defense
 
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But we can use the quality of offense those defenses are up against...and St. X's opponents have much better offenses on average than DLS's. SOS figures into the whole points comparison thing, and you can't argue that point. You can beat teams 80-0 every game. If those teams suck terribly, doesn't mean anything about being the best team in the nation.
 
D-Swizzel102 said:
But we can use the quality of offense those defenses are up against...and St. X's opponents have much better offenses on average than DLS's. SOS figures into the whole points comparison thing, and you can't argue that point. You can beat teams 80-0 every game. If those teams suck terribly, doesn't mean anything about being the best team in the nation.
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DLS beat serra 40-22 and led 40-0
serra beat 5 league champions this year

dls average first half score was 30-1

DLS beat an 11-1 team 37-0 that had previously lost one game to a section champion by 1 point on a last second FG

etc etc

its easy to blow off dls accomplishments by saying they beat teams that sucked 80-0

do better research next time and dont make dumb generalizations

you would be better off seeing the results and saying "that's impressive"

not well st x played a tougher schedule
 
St. X's opponents have much better offenses on average than DLS's

really?

prove it

st eds scored 125 points all year

elder lost to st eds

moeller couldnt beat a mediocre mv team

de matha beat a losing team 7-6

and we hear over and over ohio teams are more conservative run oriented because of the weather

try using some facts instead of blanket unproven generalities

your statement has nothing to do with real facts
 
It looks like consumerman has trouble with reading comprehension.

I'd invite you read the definition of "also". If you need help let me know, I'll provide a link.
 
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