Request to move up to Division 1

In southwest Ohio I would guess that MND and Purcell would opt to move up to D1. Maybe Seton with the statement that Elder made this week. I think that would be a terrible move for Seton as they try to build a program.

I would put the over/under at 4 on how many girls teams opt to move up.
 
Donutman13 said:
Seton is playing D1 next year.
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In my opinion this is a terrible decision. A program that has never won at a high level opting up.

I think they have some good young talent. Not talent to compete right now in the regionals at D1, but talent that could start to build a basketball program at Seton.
 
JackAttack99 said:
As they should, would be embarrassing if they didn't. Imagine recruiting crazy and then sticking in D2.

In fact, MND should be title-or-bust for the next few years. Expectations will be higher than ever.
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Based off what? I seen 3 times this weekend and nothing said title or bust
 
catscatscats said:
Based off what? I seen 3 times this weekend and nothing said title or bust
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Returning the entire Regional final team from last year (minus Harrison) and bringing in Carine Harris, among other talented young kids that are going to contribute.

With the advantage they have through bringing in kids, especially though Legends, expectations should be high.
 
zski71 said:
Heard they are not going up, so D3.
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If that's true, it's also an embarrassing choice. Winning games in the D2 tournament by an average of 40 PPG and so much talk from their coach. How many D1 college kids do you need before you decide to move up? Need another McD AA?
 
Per coaching contact friends at Kings & East:

Seton moved back up to D1 (still not sure why)
MND moved back up to D1 (as expected)
Purcell Marian remained D3 (lost a starter who transferred to Springboro, but still should be 1 for at least a year)
Winton Woods remained D2 (could be the best team in Cincinnati regardless of division)
 
I guess I'm the odd one out on Seton, I don't find it so odd that they are choosing D1. I still consider cutting all upperclassmen from the program last year completely out of touch and one of the worst coaching decisions a private school could make, but at the time it was done to protect spots for the supposedly strong expected registrants of the next few incoming classes right? And I think D1 makes sense to help them continue to set themselves up for how they want to be compared to MM and SUA to attract the students they want (especially for athletes from NKY looking for their best option, like their freshman soccer stud). And then there is the obvious reason, Seton is basically the sister school to Elder, so the same families can't speak out of two sides of their mouths, arguing for Elder to be D1 but not Seton.
 
JackAttack99 said:
Returning the entire Regional final team from last year (minus Harrison) and bringing in Carine Harris, among other talented young kids that are going to contribute.

With the advantage they have through bringing in kids, especially though Legends, expectations should be high.
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Mason returned everyone, Princeton will be really good, Springboro returns all of their main players plus added the Jones girl from Purcell. Pick Central, Olentangy are all really good as well state or bust is a bit extreme
 
Northside24 said:
Per coaching contact friends at Kings & East:

Seton moved back up to D1 (still not sure why)
MND moved back up to D1 (as expected)
Purcell Marian remained D3 (lost a starter who transferred to Springboro, but still should be 1 for at least a year)
Winton Woods remained D2 (could be the best team in Cincinnati regardless of division)
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My guess is Seton's logic is similar to Elder (Elder has it's largest class in a decade coming in next year) as both are on the doorstep of being D1. Both schools have a strong understanding of the census of potential students in the upcoming years and so will probably be in D1 once the students arrive so why not maintain the continuity of Division I status instead of flipflopping.
 
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taximama24 said:
I guess I'm the odd one out on Seton, I don't find it so odd that they are choosing D1. I still consider cutting all upperclassmen from the program last year completely out of touch and one of the worst coaching decisions a private school could make, but at the time it was done to protect spots for the supposedly strong expected registrants of the next few incoming classes right? And I think D1 makes sense to help them continue to set themselves up for how they want to be compared to MM and SUA to attract the students they want (especially for athletes from NKY looking for their best option, like their freshman soccer stud). And then there is the obvious reason, Seton is basically the sister school to Elder, so the same families can't speak out of two sides of their mouths, arguing for Elder to be D1 but not Seton
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They didn't cut all the upperclassmen.

Elder and Seton are two totally different institutions with different cultures. You could be right, though. Ego could be the driving factor to why they decided to stay D1. If that's the case then that's a poor decision in my opinion.
 
catscatscats said:
Mason returned everyone, Princeton will be really good, Springboro returns all of their main players plus added the Jones girl from Purcell. Pick Central, Olentangy are all really good as well state or bust is a bit extreme
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Maybe it is a bit extreme, but MND is in as desirable of a situation as anyone right now. A few strong seniors (Bransford, Pitzer), a few talented underclassman (both Veiths will contribute, Hackney, and another sophomore whose name I can't think of and was injured last year), and you know the Legends pipeline will keep strong recruiting classes coming in (such as Harris and others). I just don't personally see a situation where they only make a regional and MND is happy with that.
 
taximama24 said:
I guess I'm the odd one out on Seton, I don't find it so odd that they are choosing D1. I still consider cutting all upperclassmen from the program last year completely out of touch and one of the worst coaching decisions a private school could make, but at the time it was done to protect spots for the supposedly strong expected registrants of the next few incoming classes right? And I think D1 makes sense to help them continue to set themselves up for how they want to be compared to MM and SUA to attract the students they want (especially for athletes from NKY looking for their best option, like their freshman soccer stud). And then there is the obvious reason, Seton is basically the sister school to Elder, so the same families can't speak out of two sides of their mouths, arguing for Elder to be D1 but not Seton.
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I could definitely be wrong about the unique situation of Elder/Seton, but in my experience a lot of kids and families don't care what division they are in, they just want to win. I tend to think that parents would rather see their kids have success in D2 than get pummeled in D1. While I think long-term Seton will have to tools to be successful in D1, I'm not so sure this was the year to do it.

That being said, I also sort of respect the move of taking the harder path and challenging the program to step up.
 
JackAttack99 said:
I could definitely be wrong about the unique situation of Elder/Seton, but in my experience a lot of kids and families don't care what division they are in, they just want to win. I tend to think that parents would rather see their kids have success in D2 than get pummeled in D1. While I think long-term Seton will have to tools to be successful in D1, I'm not so sure this was the year to do it.

That being said, I also sort of respect the move of taking the harder path and challenging the program to step up.
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That’s a legit take on the situation but I feel that Seton basketball has to crawl before they can walk. Going D1 is careless.
 
Donutman13 said:
That’s a legit take on the situation but I feel that Seton basketball has to crawl before they can walk. Going D1 is careless.
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Just curious, why do you think it is careless?

Given the feedback from the prior conversations regarding the decisions Seton made last year with cuts & potential girls coming in, have to respect the fact Seton is not backing down from the challenge.

Wouldn't doubt it if Seton wants to project the image that they are the largest all-girls school in the area from a marketing standpoint. Also, maybe trying to go back to their roots of when they had some of the best vball & bball programs in this area at the same time
 
CGradADad said:
This was what was voted on by the schools. Now they(OHsaa) are saying they will adjust to get as close to 64 teams in d1 and d2 as they can. That was not what the member schools voted on.
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OHSAA has said that is teams bump up it will only increase the D1 pool. They will not drop teams out of D1 to even divisions.
 
This is exactly what the schools voted on to be the rule. Since the vote, OHsaa has said they may adjust the divisions to keep D1 and D2 to as close to 64 teams as possible.

I would assume must on here are not shocked that OHsaa would change something on their own after taking a vote of its members. It’s what is best for kids.
spirit454 said:
OHSAA has said that is teams bump up it will only increase the D1 pool. They will not drop teams out of D1 to even divisions
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Slumdog said:
Just curious, why do you think it is careless?

Given the feedback from the prior conversations regarding the decisions Seton made last year with cuts & potential girls coming in, have to respect the fact Seton is not backing down from the challenge.

Wouldn't doubt it if Seton wants to project the image that they are the largest all-girls school in the area from a marketing standpoint. Also, maybe trying to go back to their roots of when they had some of the best vball & bball programs in this area at the same time
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It’s careless because if you know the status of this program, they are not ready for that level of play. I believe the decision makers at Seton want basketball at D1 just because Volleyball and Soccer are at D1 due to them being established programs. Basketball is not an established program. That’s careless….Which one would you choose? Play D2 and more than likely face Winton Woods in the regional final or go 15-7 playing D1 only to get throttled in round 1. Which would be more appealing to future students and generating popularity/growth for the program? The staff wants these girls to “have fun”. Which of those two options would be more fun? Just trying to be realistic.

Look, I’m all for challenging yourself. I’m proud of the work these girls and coaches have put in the last couple months. Very happy with the coaching changes so far based on my daughter’s feedback. But let’s be realistic. While Seton is on the up and up, they are not a D1 caliber team. They have some D1 high school caliber players, but not enough. There’s a drop off on that team in terms of talent. D2 is where they belong. I’d have to think that if you ask any coach in the city, they would say they are foolish for playing D1. Won’t mention names but I’ve already heard the feedback.
 
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CGradADad said:
This is exactly what the schools voted on to be the rule. Since the vote, OHsaa has said they may adjust the divisions to keep D1 and D2 to as close to 64 teams as possible.

I would assume must on here are not shocked that OHsaa would change something on their own after taking a vote of its members. It’s what is best for kids.
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Where are you reading this at? I have not heard they will adjust the divisions to keep them at 64. In fact, I have heard there are discussions about increasing the numbers. Mostly from the coaching side of things.
 
Donutman13 said:
It’s careless because if you know the status of this program, they are not ready for that level of play. I believe the decision makers at Seton want basketball at D1 just because Volleyball and Soccer are at D1 due to them being established programs. Basketball is not an established program. That’s careless….Which one would you choose? Play D2 and more than likely face Winton Woods in the regional final or go 15-7 playing D1 only to get throttled in round 1. Which would be more appealing to future students and generating popularity/growth for the program? The staff wants these girls to “have fun”. Which of those two options would be more fun? Just trying to be realistic.

Look, I’m all for challenging yourself. I’m proud of the work these girls and coaches have put in the last couple months. Very happy with the coaching changes so far based on my daughter’s feedback. But let’s be realistic. While Seton is on the up and up, they are not a D1 caliber team. They have some D1 high school caliber players, but not enough. There’s a drop off on that team in terms of talent. D2 is where they belong. I’d have to think that if you ask any coach in the city, they would say they are foolish for playing D1. Won’t mention names but I’ve already heard the feedback.
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Great response but I have to agree to disagree as I would want my daughters to compete at the highest level (had 3 that played high school/club sports). With the players they have in the system with multiple years of varsity experience plus the players they have coming in, see if you can play with the big girls. This team gave MND fits last year. No shame at all in seeing if you can compete at the highest level. What's the purpose of beating the snot out of a D2 school "having fun" other than looking like a team playing 1-2 divisions down in a softball league just to win a trophy. Happy for Seton that they chose to compete.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't doubt it if the decision was bigger than making a deeper run in D2 than in D1 in basketball - Seton probably wants the image that they are one if not the largest all-girls school in the city/region and they are going to compete at the highest level they possibly can.
 
Slumdog said:
Great response but I have to agree to disagree as I would want my daughters to compete at the highest level (had 3 that played high school/club sports). With the players they have in the system with multiple years of varsity experience plus the players they have coming in, see if you can play with the big girls. This team gave MND fits last year. No shame at all in seeing if you can compete at the highest level. What's the purpose of beating the snot out of a D2 school "having fun" other than looking like a team playing 1-2 divisions down in a softball league just to win a trophy. Happy for Seton that they chose to compete.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't doubt it if the decision was bigger than making a deeper run in D2 than in D1 in basketball - Seton probably wants the image that they are one if not the largest all-girls school in the city/region and they are going to compete at the highest level they possibly can.
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Totally understand this perspective and it's probably the same outlook that I would have, I just don't know that everyone thinks this way. I think a lot of parents of high school athletes (private school athletes in particular) are used to winning a lot and would rather go further in a D2 tournament than likely lose earlier in a D1 tournament (Purcell Marian is the extreme example of this). In fact, I think your average high school girls basketball player is unlikely to care at all and some are even unaware.

I think your last point is the most accurate though. Seton knows they are on the way up in terms of enrollment and this may be more about overall image than it is about success in 2024-2025.
 
NEWS RELEASE – Ohio High School Athletic Association
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For Immediate Release – June 12, 2024
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OHSAA Approves 14 Fall and Winter Sports Requests from 11 Schools to Move up Division I
Approvals are sport-specific for the 2024-25 school year; deadline for wrestling requests is June 25; deadline for spring sports requests is Sept. 13

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The Ohio High School Athletic Association Board of Directors has approved 14 requests from 11 schools to move up to Division I in specific fall and winter sports for the 2024-25 school year. The requests were made possible by the passage of Referendum Item 1B that OHSAA member schools passed earlier this spring, which permits schools to request to move up to Division I on a sport-by-sport basis for one school year.

The movement results in a total of 24 adjustments in divisional placements across seven fall and winter sports, which includes several Division I schools moving down to Division II in specific sports.

No requests were denied. Schools have until June 25 to request to move up to Division I in wrestling, as those preliminary divisional breakdowns were just approved on June 9 by the OHSAA Board of Directors and are posted at: https://www.ohsaa.org/sports/wrestling

Preliminary spring sport divisional assignments will be presented to the Board of Directors in August and schools will have until September 13 to request to move up to Division I in 2025 spring sports.

The referendum issue results were announced on May 16 and schools had until June 3 to request to move up to Division I. The OHSAA Board of Directors reviewed and approved the list during meetings this past weekend in Akron at the baseball state tournament that wrapped up the 2024-25 school year.

WINTER SPORTS (except Wrestling)
Boys Basketball
Cincinnati Elder moves to D1
Thomas Worthington moves to D2
Regional Tournament Representation:
No Change to D1
D2: Central – 5; Northwest – 2; Northeast – 7; Southwest – 2

Girls Basketball:
Cincinnati Seton moves to D1
Cincinnati Mount Notre Dame moves to D1
Rocky River Magnificat moves to D1
Cleveland St. Joseph Academy moves to D1
Euclid moves to D2
Grove City Central Crossing moves to D2
Westerville North moves to D2
Cleveland John Marshall moves to D2
Regional Tournament Representation:
D1: Central – 5; Northeast – 4; Northwest – 1; Southwest – 6
D2: Central – 4; Northeast – 7; Northwest – 2; Southwest – 3
 
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