Request to move up to Division 1

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Madame Secretary

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The passage of Issue 1B now allows schools to request to move up to Division I on a sport-by-sport basis for the upcoming season in that sport. Schools will be sent a memo Thursday afternoon with details of the request process, which has a June 3 deadline for the upcoming fall and winter seasons. The deadline for 2025 spring sports will be set later. Once the OHSAA knows how many schools request to move up to Division I, the OHSAA will determine if changes are needed to the previously announced divisional breakdowns and tournament representation.

“We are all interested to see how many schools request to move up to Division I,” OHSAA Executive Director Doug Ute said. “With the expanded divisions in several sports, our goal is to have as close to 64 schools as possible in Divisions I and II, so we may have some adjusting to do in some sports if several Division II schools make the request to move up to Division I. We know that June 3 is a quick turn-around for our schools, but we will need to know their plans quickly to make changes to divisional assignments and representation, if needed.”
 
 
This just ticks me off. Typical OHSAA crap.

This was sold to everyone and voted on with the expectation that teams could only move up to D1 and NO OTHER changes would be made to the tournaments. Teams were to have to make their decision 2 weeks after practice began for each sport.

Now we are going to rearrange divisions and teams have to decide in June. Vote on one thing and then it is changed before it is ever implemented. Gives people like me a lot of fuel for the distrust and dislike of OHSAA.

Why even have schools vote. Just make up the rules as you go. That is what you are going anyways.
 
In Cincinnati area, Mt Notre Dame and Purcell Marian have the biggest probability to move up in basketball.
 
I would say Purcell and MND should move up.....I just don't see how either can be taken seriously if they don't. I love that the OHSAA did this, now it puts it on these schools to seek out the highest level of competition, and show what they are really about.
 
Would imagine MND and Purcell would opt up based on them playing tough D1 schedules in their non-conference play.

A couple D2’s that I’d also be interested about:

Winton Woods
Seton
Kings

Winton Woods is loaded, Kings has played in D1 districts and regionals recently, and it would be a tough look for our Yappi Seton crowd to talk about how good they are and how much competition they want and stay D2. Highest enrollment in the GGCL based on numbers.
 
MND will opt to stay in D2 to have a chance at winning a title.
PM won't move up from D3, due to the fact they want to win it again. They likely won't win it all if they opt to play D1 and you know PM will be an afterthought once 2025 season ends and the coach joins the staff at UC.
 
Fred Garvin said:
MND will opt to stay in D2 to have a chance at winning a title.
PM won't move up from D3, due to the fact they want to win it again. They likely won't win it all if they opt to play D1 and you know PM will be an afterthought once 2025 season ends and the coach joins the staff at UC.
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You're probably right, and thats why I LOVE the State giving this option. Because it now shows theses coaches/schools true colors. They are always saying we can only play who play, we can't control it, well now you can, and if you duck the best, then it reveals they are definitely afraid of the challenge/competition

Now way Mattula or Doc at if they had been at smaller/similar schools would run from the challenge, but this new generation will absolutely run, count on it
 
Fred Garvin said:
Richmond said:
You're probably right, and thats why I LOVE the State giving this option. Because it now shows theses coaches/schools true colors. They are always saying we can only play who play, we can't control it, well now you can, and if you duck the best, then it reveals they are definitely afraid of the challenge/competition

Now way Mattula or Doc at if they had been at smaller/similar schools would run from the challenge, but this new generation will absolutely run, count on it
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Interesting assessment without knowing any facts. Do you have insight that this “new generation” will duck D1? Purcell consistently schedules the top competition in the state, playing Anthony Wayne, Magnificat, Springboro, Pickerington Central. MND played Winton Woods, Lakota East, Princeton, Mason, Cooper, Ryle, and Springboro last year? What inclination would you have that they’d not opt up? Same with Winton Woods?
 
Northside24 said:
Interesting assessment without knowing any facts. Do you have insight that this “new generation” will duck D1? Purcell consistently schedules the top competition in the state, playing Anthony Wayne, Magnificat, Springboro, Pickerington Central. MND played Winton Woods, Lakota East, Princeton, Mason, Cooper, Ryle, and Springboro last year? What inclination would you have that they’d not opt up? Same with Winton Woods?
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No direct information, just a hunch, and do you have any info that they are moving up?? They both definitely play tough comp out of league, I never said they didn't. What I'm curious to see is will they STILL seek out the toughest competition when it actually means something. You can't walk around the city with your chest out and then when the opportunity comes to walk the walk, you bail because you are afraid to fail.

Also true about Winton Woods, they could definitely move up, and I would guess Carlton is more like a Mattula/Doc and would want to challenge his kids that way and he or his kids wouldn't be afraid to fail

Guess we will see shortly what they are all about
 
Richmond said:
No direct information, just a hunch, and do you have any info that they are moving up?? They both definitely play tough comp out of league, I never said they didn't. What I'm curious to see is will they STILL seek out the toughest competition when it actually means something. You can't walk around the city with your chest out and then when the opportunity comes to walk the walk, you bail because you are afraid to fail.

Also true about Winton Woods, they could definitely move up, and I would guess Carlton is more like a Mattula/Doc and would want to challenge his kids that way and he or his kids wouldn't be afraid to fail

Guess we will see shortly what they are all about
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I don’t know anything about the MND/Purcell situation directly. I do know Kings has had similar success in the tournament and will be remaining D2 per their coach. I would just be shocked if MND, Purcell, and Winton Woods don’t opt up based on the way they schedule. Haven’t ducked anyone and not sure why they would moving forward.
 
MND will be requesting to move up, which is going to be an AD decision. Things obviously can change, but right now, that is where they stand. WW is still deciding. If either does not, they will be heavy favorites to get to Dayton in D2.
 
Northside24 said:
I don’t know anything about the MND/Purcell situation directly. I do know Kings has had similar success in the tournament and will be remaining D2 per their coach. I would just be shocked if MND, Purcell, and Winton Woods don’t opt up based on the way they schedule. Haven’t ducked anyone and not sure why they would moving forward.
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Kings has had a GREAT run for sure....but not like PM with 3 straight titles and what 7-8 DI college players on roster or MND who has won more OHSAA girls basketball state championships( I believe 8) then any other school. Its an opportunity for PM to show everyone they are legit when it matters and as for MND you are the greatest girls HS program in the state, you built this legacy as a DI school, that's where you continue it
 
Purcell has just won the D3 and D2. Last season they were ranked 1st in the final Max Preps poll that includes D1 schools. What do they have left to prove?

Win the D1 title.
 
Madame Secretary said:
If MND or Winton Woods are obvious favorites in D2 for State, what is there chance of getting to State in D1?
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If DI has Mason, Princeton, Springboro, Purcell, MND, Winton Woods, and then add in these solid schools, L. East, L. West, West Clermont, Lebanon(who beat Springboro last year), Milford, Walnut Hills, Oak Hills, and you would also need to put Fairmont in from Dayton.

I guess you could say thats tougher than what yo would have in D2, with Kings, Anderson, Harrison, Mt Healthy, Talawanda, Northwest, Loveland, Little Miami, SUA, Seton and whoever is left

You win DI out of that group, then there is no doubt
 
MND will be a strong contender to get to Dayton in D2, not so much if they opt to move to D1 with Springboro and Princeton to deal with among others.
WW will stay in D2 and battle with MND to get to Dayton.
PM will stay in D3 and win it all again to complete the 4 year run that everyone knew would happen. At the end of the day, 7 programs will win the final game they play during the season and be crowned State Champions.

All 3 mentioned would play any team in the country if given the opportunity but at the end of the day, they will opt to stay put in the division OHSAA placed them in.
 
The question becomes if teams opt to move up, does that bump other teams down? Or do they expand beyond the 64 number of 1 and 2.
 
MCGal said:
The question becomes if teams opt to move up, does that bump other teams down? Or do they expand beyond the 64 number of 1 and 2.
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Teams can only bump to D1. So D2 will be 64 or less if they do not adjust for smaller schools going D1. Originally said no adjustment but now saying maybe!
 
Fred Garvin said:
MND will be a strong contender to get to Dayton in D2, not so much if they opt to move to D1 with Springboro and Princeton to deal with among others.
WW will stay in D2 and battle with MND to get to Dayton.
PM will stay in D3 and win it all again to complete the 4 year run that everyone knew would happen. At the end of the day, 7 programs will win the final game they play during the season and be crowned State Champions.

All 3 mentioned would play any team in the country if given the opportunity but at the end of the day, they will opt to stay put in the division OHSAA placed them in.
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Minus one player, MND essentially brings back their entire team from last year (the same one that ended Princeton's season and lost to Springboro in OT). They absolutely can compete and have no excuse to not be in D1.
 
JackAttack99 said:
Minus one player, MND essentially brings back their entire team from last year (the same one that ended Princeton's season and lost to Springboro in OT). They absolutely can compete and have no excuse to not be in D1.
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Agreed, basically the whole roster coming back plus a big time freshman coming in. And Winton Woods returns 5 starters AND adds a generational freshman with 25+ offers before entering high school. They should also be D1.
 
This was what was voted on by the schools. Now they(OHsaa) are saying they will adjust to get as close to 64 teams in d1 and d2 as they can. That was not what the member schools voted on.
MCGal said:
The question becomes if teams opt to move up, does that bump other teams down? Or do they expand beyond the 64 number of 1 an
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Fred Garvin said:
MND will be a strong contender to get to Dayton in D2, not so much if they opt to move to D1 with Springboro and Princeton to deal with among others.
WW will stay in D2 and battle with MND to get to Dayton.
PM will stay in D3 and win it all again to complete the 4 year run that everyone knew would happen. At the end of the day, 7 programs will win the final game they play during the season and be crowned State Champions.

All 3 mentioned would play any team in the country if given the opportunity but at the end of the day, they will opt to stay put in the division OHSAA placed them in.
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If they "would play any team in the country" then they would move up to DI.....if they stay down, that statement is false
 
Northside24 said:
Agreed, basically the whole roster coming back plus a big time freshman coming in. And Winton Woods returns 5 starters AND adds a generational freshman with 25+ offers before entering high school. They should also be D1.
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I must be out of the loop. What freshmen you referring to?
 
JackAttack99 said:
I must be out of the loop. What freshmen you referring to?
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MND has Carine Harris coming in, just offered by Ohio State and Michigan this spring. 6’0 kid from Hughes.

Winton Woods has Strawberry Blankumsee. Offers from Ohio State, Cincinnati, Pitt, UNC, Virginia Tech, etc. Will be top two on their team in scoring as soon as she steps in the gym and will be ranked nationally in her class.
 
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