I personally do not believe teams should be allowed to move. It's likely to cause uneven numbers.With the new preliminary 7 divisions posted, the only big girls private to stay D1 is Seton. St Joseph, Cin St Ursula, Magnificat, Mt Notre Dame to D2, Cin Ursuline, Tol St Ursula to D3. There will be a vote to allow teams to opt up to D1.
That would be something.Assuming it holds as is, the GGCL could (in theory) win state titles in 4 divisions.
They have to let these teams move up to D1 or you are going to have the same teams winning the State Championship every season at each division. You can't have the best teams in the state playing at lower divisions. That will be a bad look for Girls HS Volleyball in the State of Ohio. No one is beating SUA or MND at the D2 level, it isn't happening. No one will come close to beating Ursuline in D3. D4 looks okay and might even be the most competitive in the State, but the top three divisions will be a runaway train with the same couple teams winning state every year.
It is going to look so stupid when D2 and D4 are the best divisions in the State.
Before, it was one parochial league dominating one division - now you have that same league dominating several divisions - the unintended consequences of this decisionYou have seemingly the same two teams (Ursuline and MND) representing SW Ohio in D1 nearly every year for a decade and no one considers it “stupid”.
Nothing will change concerning who makes it to the Final 4 from Cincy in D1-4. If the power schools don’t move up to division 1. It’ll be the same teams that typically make it. What I’m curious to see is how they will separate the 64 teams into regions.Before, it was one parochial league dominating one division - now you have that same league dominating several divisions - the unintended consequences of this decision
With Mason - are you saying that they have a chance to win state or just get our of the region? The brutal fact is Mason hasn't won a tourney game in years, their winning % outside the league since 2020 is under 31% yet when is the last time they lost a league game - 5-6 years ago? The GMC is just not competitive in volleyball. A good reason to want to jump to D1 in R4 as all of the GMC is D1Nothing will change concerning who makes it to the Final 4 from Cincy in D1-4. If the power schools don’t move up to division 1. It’ll be the same teams that typically make it. What I’m curious to see is how they will separate the 64 teams into regions.
Kings was a special group, it’ll be many years before you see that type of talent on one public school team. I do think it’s great that Kings can lay claim to the last public school and last true big school division 1 champion before it split to seven levels.
Mason HS is about the only school who has a chance to do it…if they can retain their athletes.
If the referendum passes to allow schools to move up to D1 each year, I could see a MND or SUA choosing to move up because of a better matchup against Seton in a particular year.
I have not taken a look to see where all the MAC schools moved to that will affect the lower divisions. Overall we will be crowning 7 total champs and the names all be familiar. The good schools will be good, and everybody else will just be complaining about the new system.
I’m also curious of how they’re going to run the first 2 to 3 rounds of the tournament. I always Looked forward to being able to catch a bunch of different games, that may be a little more difficult now
I was basing it off the size of Mason high school, and the fact that they have lost top players to the GGCL in the past.With Mason - are you saying that they have a chance to win state or just get our of the region? The brutal fact is Mason hasn't won a tourney game in years, their winning % outside the league since 2020 is under 31% yet when is the last time they lost a league game - 5-6 years ago? The GMC is just not competitive in volleyball. A good reason to want to jump to D1 in R4 as all of the GMC is D1
I would be shocked if MND doesn't move up in all sports if the referendum passes as they are not backing away from anyone - UA too if they can. SUA is a toss up as they have won in both D2 & D1 throughout their volleyball history. You would think the other Ohio parochial schools that have traditionally competed in D1 that are now D2 would move up too
What is this all about?Mercy McCulley looks to be switching to the MVC, interesting.
This is what I am referring to. Teams should not be able to pick and choose annually. The OHSAA should take this out of their hands IMO.If the referendum passes to allow schools to move up to D1 each year, I could see a MND or SUA choosing to move up because of a better matchup in a particular year.
That 2017 Mason team was crazy good - it was just unfortunate that they just couldn't get over the hump against UA & MND the prior year. That team definitely had some talent as well as other schools in the GMCI was basing it off the size of Mason high school, and the fact that they have lost top players to the GGCL in the past.
It is true that they have lost in the tournament early the last few years. I guess we’re all getting old, 2017 season is the distant past for sure.
Centerville has had some very good players and teams last four years, but they’re still not at the same level as the GGCL schools.
That would be nuts if both MND and SUA moved up to division one, but I highly doubt both of them would do that. If I was SUA I would be just fine playing division two and competing for state championship each year.
Overall, the Columbus public area schools play better volleyball than most of the big Cincinnati public schools.
It will be an interesting to see which way these public schools voteThis is what I am referring to. Teams should not be able to pick and choose annually. The OHSAA should take this out of their hands IMO.
Only two things I can think of is Mercy doesn't think they can compete with the other four all girls schools because because they are by far the smallest school in the GGCL and their enrollment continues to shrink. They won D2 Vball this season but they lost a lot of talent and more likely to get thrashed in GGCL moving forward. I heard this might happen last week and then heard it is happening last night.What is this all about?
If you are a public school in D1 you are voting no, but if you are a public school in D2, D3, D4, and D5 you are voting yes. The smaller public schools want no part of these private schools in their division and why would they?It will be an interesting to see which way these public schools vote
Do you think the disdain for the parochial schools could cloud their judgement thinking it could give them those schools and "edge" each year?If you are a public school in D1 you are voting no, but if you are a public school in D2, D3, D4, and D5 you are voting yes. The smaller public schools want no part of these private schools in their division and why would they?
A little early to be talking next year butMason and Lebanon have a lot of talent on their rosters coming back for 2024. I will throw Loveland in the mix as well. Loveland has one of the best Setters in the State and they have several other Club players on the team that play in the Open Division.
From a player and parent standpoint I don't get the sense there is a strong disdain for the private schools, at least in the Cincinnati area. All of the best players play Club together and I think in most cases the ties to Club are stronger than school ball. But school administrators is a whole different game. We have seen multiple coordinated efforts by the Public school ADs/Coaches to manipulate ratings with their voting in an effort to get an edge on the Private schools.Do you think the disdain for the parochial schools could cloud their judgement thinking it could give them those schools and "edge" each year?
I am pumping the breaks on this a little bit, but I can say for certain it is being discussed.What is this all about?
Probably disdain was too strong of a word maybe but maybe the public schools would prefer to see the parochials not get any perceived advantagesFrom a player and parent standpoint I don't get the sense there is a strong disdain for the private schools, at least in the Cincinnati area. All of the best players play Club together and I think in most cases the ties to Club are stronger than school ball. But school administrators is a whole different game. We have seen multiple coordinated efforts by the Public school ADs/Coaches to manipulate ratings with their voting in an effort to get an edge on the Private schools.
There are also some very good players at the publics that played CYO volleyball.the parochials do "incentivize" athletes in public grade schools to switch schools - happens with both girls & boys
Believe me, many of us "parochials" were also happy to see Kings win.but there were parents on my daughters teams with girls in public schools (& not Kings) and teammates on the parochial schools in the tourney that were extremely happy that Kings won R4 & State last year.
I can only assume you are a grown a** man.Believe me, many of us "parochials" were also happy to see Kings win.
GCL fans (and GGCL fans) of one school, do not root for GCL fans of the other school.
We are "friendly rivals" for a reason.
Lake Catholic handled all that D1 smoke last year. The rest of the State will live with possibility of elevating their game to compete. Iggy used to kick Southern Ohios butt in football and eventually that changed. Now they just do it in Hockey, Soccer, and Hoops.Mercy McCulley looks to be switching to the MVC, interesting.
MND and Ursuline have been dominant at D1, but it was only one division. Spread those teams out and now they start dominating multiple divisions, that is not going to be good.
Get the best teams in the same division and let them slug it out, but spreading them out is going to be a disaster