#PACtion™ 2024

Surprised me as well, can't reveal my source, seems reliable, but I heard the same thing about the jr high bunch coming up, 25 seems awful low, although I heard they barely could put 9 on the field for baseball this year which I'm not trying to compare baseball to football by any means, but seems like they are struggling with #'s in general.
This is where you could talk to me about consolidation. Orrville and Smithville's city/town limits are 2.6 miles apart. It's even less from Smithville limits to Wooster limits. Does that really justify 2 completely separate school districts?

I know that pulls in some identity issues and could have impact on property in values where there's no high school in a small village like a Smithville or Dalton but issues with participation are just going to get worse when a small rural school has golf, XC, soccer and football in the fall for boys and golf, XC, soccer, volleyball, tennis and cheer on the girls side. You eventually run out of kids to adequately fill all those sports.

Smithville has had very small #s in their girls basketball program the past 2 years and haven't had a JV team the past 2 years due to that.

Probably why Dalton isn't in a hurry for soccer because it would eventually spread their kids out thinner.
 
This is where you could talk to me about consolidation. Orrville and Smithville's city/town limits are 2.6 miles apart. It's even less from Smithville limits to Wooster limits. Does that really justify 2 completely separate school districts?
I'm sure one of you super sleuths could find an article about this, but was told by some OLD timers that when Marshallville high school closed the kids went to Dalton because the locals didn't want to go to Orrville but then the state wouldn't let them drive buses through the Orrville district to get to Dalton so the locals asked to go to Smithville to avoid joining Orrville.

That's my go-to story when friends around the state ask about Wayne Co. "it's a great place, but the folks are . . . different."
 
I'm sure one of you super sleuths could find an article about this, but was told by some OLD timers that when Marshallville high school closed the kids went to Dalton because the locals didn't want to go to Orrville but then the state wouldn't let them drive buses through the Orrville district to get to Dalton so the locals asked to go to Smithville to avoid joining Orrville.

That's my go-to story when friends around the state ask about Wayne Co. "it's a great place, but the folks are . . . different."
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@Rich Kotite would it be blasphemy to add Tuslaw + Fairless to your list........ Newly formed superpower of the PAC to be called the Belle Stores Malcolns
Tuslaw almost joined the (then) Canal Fulton school district in the 1950's but was voted down by the Canal Fulton BOE by a vote of 3-2. The "excuse" used for the no vote was they thought there were too many railroad tracks for busses to cross in a proposed Canal Fulton/Tuscarawas Township school district.

I think the Canal Fulton board really didn't want to pair up with Bowdil aka North Lawrence which had a rough and tumble reputation back then due to its coal mining history. Similar to Rogue's Hollow. East Greenville also was an old coal mining village and had a rough reputation (they had 13 bars in East Greenville at one time).

Canal Fulton then teamed up with Clinton (not by choice but by a state mandate) to create Northwest. Pairing Canal Fulton with Clinton has been a historic disaster for trying to get school levies passed.
 
Tuslaw almost joined the (then) Canal Fulton school district in the 1950's but was voted down by the Canal Fulton BOE by a vote of 3-2. The "excuse" used for the no vote was they thought there were too many railroad tracks for busses to cross in a proposed Canal Fulton/Tuscarawas Township school district.

I think the Canal Fulton board really didn't want to pair up with Bowdil aka North Lawrence which had a rough and tumble reputation back then due to its coal mining history. Similar to Rogue's Hollow. East Greenville also was an old coal mining village and had a rough reputation (they had 13 bars in East Greenville at one time).

Canal Fulton then teamed up with Clinton (not by choice but by a state mandate) to create Northwest. Pairing Canal Fulton with Clinton has been a historic disaster for trying to get school levies passed.
Not sure funny is the right word, but "funny" how history seems to repeat itself and how some ideas get shot down in the past and end up re-surfacing so many years later. Never going to please everyone obviously, but between the addition of sports (soccer, lacrosse etc) and so many school districts, only a matter of time before some of the smaller ones get consolidated, I would think.
 
Not sure funny is the right word, but "funny" how history seems to repeat itself and how some ideas get shot down in the past and end up re-surfacing so many years later. Never going to please everyone obviously, but between the addition of sports (soccer, lacrosse etc) and so many school districts, only a matter of time before some of the smaller ones get consolidated, I would think.
You would think but don't hold your breath. The Ohio Legislature is not known for courage and merging school districts will bring out the haters.
 
You would think but don't hold your breath. The Ohio Legislature is not known for courage and merging school districts will bring out the haters.
AMEN! Majority of politicians could DOUBLE their moral fortitude and still barely have the courage of George Costanza

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AMEN! Majority of politicians could DOUBLE their moral fortitude and still barely have the courage of George Costanza

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The most little talked about political issue in Ohio is not the RINOS, of which there are many and they're a menace, but the DINOS. Democrats in name only who run their cities at the whim of large developers like Forest City (Cleveland) or Nationwide & Wes Lexner (Columbus) instead of what their voters want.

A leader with courage would tell the Cleveland Browns "go to Brook Park, we'll do something better with that lakefront property". That won't be a popular take with many of you especially on a football forum but Cleveland's lakefront property is so wasted.

One place where property isn't wasted? BellStores Stadium.
 
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A leader with courage would tell the Cleveland Browns "go to Brook Park, we'll do something better with that lakefront property". That won't be a popular take with many of you especially on a football forum but Cleveland's lakefront property is so wasted.

One place where property isn't wasted? BellStores Stadium.
This is why we’re friends. Could not agree more. A domed sports complex area near the airport and an actual lakefront development that’s more than the sidewalk between Science center & Rock HOF would be a win-win-win for Cleveland.

One enticing suggestion I heard was to mimic San Antonio’s river walk but at the shore of Lake Erie. Basically an extended Flats area that would be a family friendly destination during the day and a fun social center at night.

But it makes way too much sense to happen…
 
This is why we’re friends. Could not agree more. A domed sports complex area near the airport and an actual lakefront development that’s more than the sidewalk between Science center & Rock HOF would be a win-win-win for Cleveland.

One enticing suggestion I heard was to mimic San Antonio’s river walk but at the shore of Lake Erie. Basically an extended Flats area that would be a family friendly destination during the day and a fun social center at night.

But it makes way too much sense to happen…
That's what I was thinking....and then there's Ye Olde Burke Lakefront Airport which is a colossal waste of lakefront property.

Cleveland has been talking about a new convention center for 1,000 years. Build it at Burke complimented with parks/walk/bike paths.

Cincinnati has the same convention center (and downtown arena) problem.

Columbus is in really good shape but still too many people don't know about Columbus.

Those of us in the trade show world are dying for an excuse not to go to the Chicago McCormick Place on Lake Michigan because it's too big, old, dumpy, and not in a good part of town.

Cleveland with its location and smaller size could clean up getting conventions if they had a new convention center. A city like Cleveland also will "try harder" with out of town visitors on the hospitality side, too. Chicago could care less if you visit. Many in Cleveland still have that "chip" on their shoulder due to what other people have said about their city so they will go the extra mile to make sure your time in Cleveland is good.

My favorite town for trade shows has been Nashville and I'm the last person who's a late night honky tonk visitor. But the city is beautiful and their convention center is first class.

I refuse to visit NYC.

No, really, my employer knows.
 
Hold Our Beer.

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Strasburg & Dover
Sebring & West Branch
East Canton & Louisville
I (almost certainly) don't have the correct terminology, but I was told long ago that in any consolidation the new district would take the higher millage (or tax rate??) which is why the voters of the lower-rated district would never vote for it (consolidation).
Although I've been known to believe just about anything so that may be a bunch of hooey.
In most instances I would assume there would be years of litigation by the opposition.
 
That's what I was thinking....and then there's Ye Olde Burke Lakefront Airport which is a colossal waste of lakefront property.

Cleveland has been talking about a new convention center for 1,000 years. Build it at Burke complimented with parks/walk/bike paths.

Cincinnati has the same convention center (and downtown arena) problem.

Columbus is in really good shape but still too many people don't know about Columbus.

Those of us in the trade show world are dying for an excuse not to go to the Chicago McCormick Place on Lake Michigan because it's too big, old, dumpy, and not in a good part of town.

Cleveland with its location and smaller size could clean up getting conventions if they had a new convention center. A city like Cleveland also will "try harder" with out of town visitors on the hospitality side, too. Chicago could care less if you visit. Many in Cleveland still have that "chip" on their shoulder due to what other people have said about their city so they will go the extra mile to make sure your time in Cleveland is good.

My favorite town for trade shows has been Nashville and I'm the last person who's a late night honky tonk visitor. But the city is beautiful and their convention center is first class.

I refuse to visit NYC.

No, really, my employer knows.
Javits Center in NYC might be the worst had to be there mid-January for 5-7 days for about 5 years straight, got the whole 7-day pass thing subway/bus regular new all the routes, cool for about a day, then your over it in more ways than one.

Experience in McCormick as well had to go shopping for booth amenities in South Chicago around 11:30 PM at a 24-hour grocery store, so bad an area, offered the cab driver extra money plus keep the meter running and he would not wait on me, not sure how I'm still here.
 
Javits Center in NYC might be the worst had to be there mid-January for 5-7 days for about 5 years straight, got the whole 7-day pass thing subway/bus regular new all the routes, cool for about a day, then your over it in more ways than one.

Experience in McCormick as well had to go shopping for booth amenities in South Chicago around 11:30 PM at a 24-hour grocery store, so bad an area, offered the cab driver extra money plus keep the meter running and he would not wait on me, not sure how I'm still here.
The area around McCormick has pot holes as big as Lizzo's a*s and the charm of a Yugoslavian prison guard.
 
I (almost certainly) don't have the correct terminology, but I was told long ago that in any consolidation the new district would take the higher millage (or tax rate??) which is why the voters of the lower-rated district would never vote for it (consolidation).
Although I've been known to believe just about anything so that may be a bunch of hooey.
In most instances I would assume there would be years of litigation by the opposition.
I have heard this, too. No question lawsuits would happen.

One way to consolidate is to do what Fairless and Tusky Valley did. 10-15 years ago they merged their treasurer position. Not sure if they still are doing this but that's a start.
 
Javits Center in NYC might be the worst had to be there mid-January for 5-7 days for about 5 years straight, got the whole 7-day pass thing subway/bus regular new all the routes, cool for about a day, then your over it in more ways than one.

Experience in McCormick as well had to go shopping for booth amenities in South Chicago around 11:30 PM at a 24-hour grocery store, so bad an area, offered the cab driver extra money plus keep the meter running and he would not wait on me, not sure how I'm still here.
Beyond having a puketacular baseball team and boring stadium why would anyone of sound mind go to a White Sox game in the south side of Chicago?

The White Sox should move out to NW Indiana where all of the real growth in Chicagoland is happening. Crown Pointe, Merrillville, out that way. The actual City of Chicago will always be a Cubs town so the White Sox should go after the NW Indiana Chicago suburbs and with Indianapolis only two hours down I-65 from NW Indiana you'd have a presence in that market, too.

I should become the visionary commissioner of #PACtion.
 
There were numerous reports of Rich Kotite sightings!

Going, going, gone at the speed of light: William Shatner wardrobe auction draws big crowd​

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Actor William Shatner looks on as his T.J. Hooker jacket goes up for auction Wednesday at Hartville Marketplace. The Kiko auction featured hundreds of items from his personal wardrobe.


  • William Shatner returned to Hartville to auction off over 500 pieces of clothing from his personal wardrobe.
  • The 93-year-old Canadian actor's collection included pieces worn both on-screen and on set, ranging from jackets to boots to T-shirts. A Star Trek jacket sold to an online bidder for $2,900.
LAKE TWP. ‒ Hundreds of pieces of clothing owned by "Star Trek" actor William Shatner were instantly transported to new owners Wednesday.
Nearly 500 items from his personal wardrobe were sold at auction at Hartville Marketplace, and beamed up, so to speak, to happy fans.
Actor William Shatner auctioned  hundreds of items Wednesday from his personal wardrobe with the help of Kiko Auctions at Hartville Marketplace.


The event, put on by Kiko Auctions, showcased luxury brand names of everyday apparel, suits, shoes and some custom jerseys sporting Shatner's name. Live and online bidding options were available. Other items included the 93-year-old's onscreen attire for iconic roles, including Capt. James T. Kirk and T.J. Hooker.
It was not the first time he has come to Hartville Marketplace. The actor also made an appearance in April, where hundreds came to meet and receive autographs from the star.
Star Trek actor William Shatner came to Hartville Marketplace on Wednesday to auction hundreds of items from his wardrobe. I've never done this before so this is a very personal thing going on, Shatner said.

William Shatner fans out in full force in Hartville Marketplace​

To some attendees' disappointment, Shatner did not offer autographs this time around. That did not stop Tom Kolp from showing off his Capt. Kirk cardboard cutout. The 79-year-old real estate worker from North Canton said he first became a Shatner fan through "Star Trek."

Tom Kolp of North Canton, left, and Mike Leonard from Hartville pose with Kolp's cardboard cutout of Star Trek's Capt. James T. Kirk.


"I've always loved any chance to get to see him close up and I can't wait to see him again," Kolp said ahead of time.

Kolp was not the only fan to bring Shatner memorabilia. Brenda and Mark Renicker, both retired, came from Guilford Lake in Columbiana County to see the star with vintage Star Trek plates and comics in tow.

"I've been a fan of Star Trek since the first show aired in the '60s and I like Kiko auctions a lot, too," said Brenda, 64. "It's just fun to come see things live, especially in this area where it doesn't happen often."

The Renickers' most coveted items were some of the jackets with Shatner's name printed on them.

Auctioneer Colton Kiko holds up William Shatner hockey jersey as the agency sold hundreds of items Wednesday from the actors wardrobe with the help of Kiko Auctions at Hartville Marketplace.


Atwater teacher Pamela Shawgo's taste was more specific.

"My liking for Shatner probably started with Star Trek, but there wasn't a lot of Star Trek stuff besides a T-shirt," she said.

Williams Shatner auction: Who bought stuff?​

Kiko Director of Marketing and Advertising Casey Milano said the venue had chairs for around 200 people in front of the stage. Shatner took a seat nearby and provided his own anecdotes about many of the items. Sometimes, he would do so in the middle of the bidding.

"I've never done this before so this is a very personal thing going on," Shatner said. "To my recollection, every single one of these garments is from a show that I was in. I can't remember the last time I bought clothes."

Certificates of authenticity autographed by Shatner were provided with the first 200 items sold.

The items that fetched the highest prices were a handmade tasseled leather jacket Shatner wore for numerous western films, a "T.J. Hooker" jacket and a "Star Trek: Generations" jacket he wore on set.

Famed actor William Shatner talks about his clothing as hundreds of items from his personal wardrobe were sold off Wednesday at Hartville Marketplace.


The items sold for $1,500, $2,300 and $2,900 respectively.

Another standout item was a jacket from the National Air and Space Museum, where Shatner is an inductee. In 2021, Shatner boarded Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin space shuttle to cross to the final frontier himself.

"People who have this jacket are renowned astronauts," Shatner told the crowd. "They are in all likelihood the only ones who have a jacket like this, people who have been up in space."

The jacket sold for $975.

'It's the heart of it all.' Hartville destination energizes community​

Most interestingly to some attendees was Shatner's destination choice of Hartville.

Mike Leonard, 73, is from Hartville and came to see Shatner for his brother, a big fan of the actor.

"It's a big thing having someone important like Shatner come to Hartville," Leonard said. "Hartville's the heart of it all, right here in the middle of Stark County."

Adrienne Vaughan of Stow smiles after winning a bid for a coat from actor William Shatner. Hundreds of Shatner's items from his personal wardrobe are auctioned off Wednesday at Hartville Marketplace.


The venue was abuzz with the same sentiment from other attendees and event organizers alike.

"I just cannot believe he came to Hartville, Ohio," another attendee said.
 
The most little talked about political issue in Ohio is not the RINOS, of which there are many and they're a menace, but the DINOS. Democrats in name only who run their cities at the whim of large developers like Forest City (Cleveland) or Nationwide & Wes Lexner (Columbus) instead of what their voters want.

A leader with courage would tell the Cleveland Browns "go to Brook Park, we'll do something better with that lakefront property". That won't be a popular take with many of you especially on a football forum but Cleveland's lakefront property is so wasted.

One place where property isn't wasted? BellStores Stadium.
Send the Clowns back to Baltimore....people went to Jail for Haslam...Pro sports do not bring the money...they do a great job of taking money!
 
I need reminded...why did CVCA leave the PAC and was there a school or schools that helped drive them out? Also what was the time frame...2 years from start to finish? Yes I know they are playing a PAC football schedule this year but like Fitch was not part of the Federal league when they left.

I found this thread when Kevin Stacy was being hired at Manchester...the CVCA split happened before that...I think
CVCA was forced out by outside interference and general belligerence from Rittman who's not even in #PACtion™ but kept signing up CVCA leadership for spam email including emailed photos of a shirtless Bret Bielema.

If that's not enough rogue Rittman school officials were having Denny's door dashed to the school and not even starving villages in Africa want Denny's.

It's a two year time frame.

Some people claim Fairless through the Justus Junta pushed CVCA out but The Silent Flock is not talking to the media, and their propaganda outlet, The Far Corner weekly newspaper ceased its Brewster operations.
 
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Send the Clowns back to Baltimore....people went to Jail for Haslam...Pro sports do not bring the money...they do a great job of taking money!
“That’s great, Sir, but this is a Wendy’s drive thru”. :LOL:

And you’re right about “pro sports” in general not bringing money. But you couldn’t be more wrong about the NFL. It is the exception that proves the rule.
 
@Rich Kotite would it be blasphemy to add Tuslaw + Fairless to your list........ Newly formed superpower of the PAC to be called the Belle Stores Malcolns
Fairless had a hard enough time getting the communities of Navarre, Brewster, and Beach City on the same page when they consolidated in the late 50's.

Brewster and Navarre high schools were arch rivals. It's taken years for segments of the Fairless district to gel together.

I think that's one reason why they use the "Fairless, Ohio" slogan. They're trying to tamp down the ancient rivalries of Navarre, Brewster, and Beach City by uniting them under the phrase "Fairless, Ohio."

It sounds cheesy to people but if you know the history it makes sense.
 
Koach hanging out with Channel 3 WKYC and baseball mascots:

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Tenacious Donuts:

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#PACtion legend of all legends, Morris "Mo" Tipton, at the 1984 Democrat convention.

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Victoria Nuland (I-sweetie, State Department) homecoming:
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Carrollton is not BellStores caliber:

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I would loved to be paired with WVU again, but the B12 conference offers nothing better than the ACC at the moment. I have stated i hate all the conference shifting and how big business college sports have gotten. I do hate it, but if the schools are going that direction then they should do it right.

The ACC/Big 12 were stupid this last go round. The remaining B12 and Pac 12 teams should have merged with the ACC instead of trying to maintain their conference and bring in people who never had a seat at the big boys table like BYU, UCF, and I am sorry Cincinnati. It is about name brands and people recognizing the teams. No one cares if Texas is playing BYU or UCF. Texas playing Cal or Duke sounds more interesting even if those schools are not as good as BYU or UCF.

If the conferences were smart they could have broken in Pods (the teams you play every year) and it could have looked like:

Atlantic South Coast

FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson

Tobacco Road

UNC
NC St
Duke
VA
Wake

The Big North East

Pitt
Cuse
Boston College
VT
WVU

South West

Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Airzona
Airzona St

BIG 5

Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
Colorado

Pac 4

Washington St
Cal
Stanford
Oregon St

You are probably saying I left people who have a seat at the table already like Louisville and Utah both schools who made noise on the national scene in the past few years. Yes, I realize that. This is all about name brands and not sharing the pie with people who have not been at the table since the start. All the schools listed have been at the table, but other than FSU, (no not even Clemson) none of the schools carry clout like the Bama, Georgia, Ohio St, Mich, USCs of the world do. Those schools stuck their noses in the air at all the schools listed above, because they knew their worth. These schools listed above should have done the same to the BYU, Utah, SMU, Cincy, Lousivlle, etc. No reason to allow johnny come lately to the party.
seat at the big boys table like BYU, UCF, and I am sorry Cincinnati.

The 1984 BYU Cougars would like a discussion.

UC is coming back strong this year. If they don't, then hire El Urbano for 2025 sponsored by JTM, Skyline Chili, and Grippo's.

It's me and only me but if I'm in the ACC I want nothing to do with Cal Berkeley. Their brand is Dollar Tree. Stanford has a name and should have gone to the Big Ten but Cal Berkeley would have been forced as a partner with Stanford and no one wants them.

Cal Berkeley is like Carrollton.
 
The 1984 BYU Cougars would like a discussion.

UC is coming back strong this year. If they don't, then hire El Urbano for 2025 sponsored by JTM, Skyline Chili, and Grippo's.

It's me and only me but if I'm in the ACC I want nothing to do with Cal Berkeley. Their brand is Dollar Tree. Stanford has a name and should have gone to the Big Ten but Cal Berkeley would have been forced as a partner with Stanford and no one wants them.

Cal Berkeley is like Carrollton.
I am not saying those schools do not have good teams/programs they do. I want them apart of the process, I want the B10 to have ...10 members (ok 11 with PSU), I want the PAC 10, I want how it was.

My point is the the rich thumbed their nose to the mid-middle class. The last thing the middle class should have done was bring powerful working class into their club. They should have shown they were legit, and stuck their nose to the working class. In all seriousness, what does BYU and those other schools I disparaged truly bring to the table?

As far as Cal, I hear what you are saying but they have been in the PAC10 forever. That does mean something. Don't believe me, ask Northwest and Vanderbilt how they were able to go be on their respective train.
 
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