One of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen

spirit454 said:
My comment was in regard to him being shoved. If we are keeping track, him being shoved was the 2nd aggressive act in this discussion.
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Yeah, I just realized that….. multitasking skills have deteriorated since I retired

You were correct in your original statement
 
CasualFan24 said:
Wouldn't you deem #14's act (the dead ball shove) to be in retaliation for the shove that should have resulted in a Flagrant foul to start this whole mess? There don't have to be punches thrown to be considered an act of fighting, right? To me, when the shove/push is as aggressive as it was, #14 is prepared for a fight in that spot - the push (or any push for that matter) is not meant as a warm gesture, a push always has the potential to lead to something more, especially during a dead ball situation.....

I just think big picture - no official truly wants to throw someone out of the game for many reasons. But in this situation, you'd have solved a lot of issues and been extremely fair to both teams to have both of those players removed from the game. #14 was obviously playing with some negative emotion there, and it ultimately leads to his ejection later with the additional T - that 2nd escalation never happens if he's already been removed is all....
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We use our rule book definitons in situations such as these.

The retaliatory shove was not excessive or violent in nature. Those are elements needed for a foul to be flagrant. (4-19-4) While illegal, unsporting and uncalled for, it was just your typical shove that got penalized accordingly.


Fighting is a flagrant act that includes but is not limited to punching, swinging, elbowing, kicking etc……. Or committing an act in an attempt to instigate a fight that causes the opponent to retaliate by fighting (4-18-1 & 2)

None of those elements occurred here. The shove did not result in retaliation.
 
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AllSports12 said:
No, he was hardly under control. He reacted in unsporting manor that 1) cost his team and 2) ultimately cost him two games
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#14 wasn't kicked out of the game after "ShoveGate". He received a technical and remained on the floor just like #33 from St. X. He received his second technical (taunting/talking) on next Moe possession down court (dunk). #14 just happened to be closest Moe player to a ref and #33. Unfortunately, it's what all levels of athletics do these days from youth to professional.

All and all, #33 made a "major" mistake in judgement and #14 let emotions get the best of him. No matter your viewpoint or school you are rooting for, it's now teachable moment and a life lesson on/off the court even a week later.
 
WhoDeyThink said:
#14 wasn't kicked out of the game after "ShoveGate". He received a technical and remained on the floor just like #33 from St. X.
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While some may suggest that he should have been ejected, nobody here asserted that he was ejected for the shove.
WhoDeyThink said:
He received his second technical (taunting/talking) on next Moe possession down court (dunk). #14 just happened to be closest Moe player to a ref and #33.
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He wasn't just close to his opponent, he was woofing at him.
WhoDeyThink said:
Unfortunately, it's what all levels of athletics do these days from youth to professional.
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Agreed. Doesn't help that this type of behavior is glorified in the media.
WhoDeyThink said:
All and all, #33 made a "major" mistake in judgement and #14 let emotions get the best of him. No matter your viewpoint or school you are rooting for, it's now teachable moment and a life lesson on/off the court even a week later.
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Agreed
 
WhoDeyThink said:
All and all, #33 made a "major" mistake in judgement and #14 let emotions get the best of him. No matter your viewpoint or school you are rooting for, it's now teachable moment and a life lesson on/off the court even a week late
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How do we make this the last comment in this thread and lock the discussion??
 
Kballer said:
I agree the moeller coaches and players handled it very well- even after the fact. There was genuine shock in the gym and obvious concern by all about the condition of the moeller player. Also keep in mind that the gym is set up so anyone cheering for Moeller is upstairs and no where near the gym floor. There will need to be some extra measures in place when they meet up again at Moe in 2 weeks as well- namely a solid ref crew.
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A person with little to no officiating experience can tell that was a blatent foul. It's crazy that a play like that is allowed to happen. I hope the kid that got pushed was ok.
 
Smarty2022 said:
What can the Officials do to Prevent that Play from actually happening?
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Yeah, unless the refs can see the future, there's no way for refs to prevent this.

What they could do however, is call fouls that are fouls and clean up the GCL style of play instead of being in the pockets of the ADs and coaches.
 
Doublehelix said:
Yeah, unless the refs can see the future, there's no way for refs to prevent this.

What they could do however, is call fouls that are fouls and clean up the GCL style of play instead of being in the pockets of the ADs and coaches.
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Apparently the Officials made a call on this particular Play. If You truly think GCL Refs are in the Pockets of GCL ADs and Coaches or vice versa You pretty fn clueless and have zero credibility. The GCL Officials could call 50 Fouls in a Game and Still Not Prevent this type of Play.

It’s one thing that you biatch A LOT on here it’s another how clueless you are about most things you complain about.
 
Smarty2022 said:
What can the Officials do to Prevent that Play from actually happening?
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By making an ex. out of this play, should have called a flagrant foul and the player kicked out of the game, that is how you stop nonsense like this from happening. And most likely would have prevented retribution by the other team.
 
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Stirred not Shaken said:
By making an ex. out of this play, should have called a flagrant foul and the player kicked out of the game, that is how you stop nonsense like this from happening. And most likely would have prevented retribution by the other team.
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Even if what You say was done, doesn’t Prevent another kid from doing the same or worse! Teenagers do dumb 💩and nobody knows where or when! Therefore not Preventable. I don’t think you will see much retribution next Game. Kremer knows the retaliatory Player/Team usually gets a more severe punishment. There was a Local HS Basketball Assignor “working” the Game being discussed here? I believe the GCL HS Basketball Assignor will be “working” the next Game between these 2 as 1 of the 3 Officials.
 
Smarty2022 said:
Apparently the Officials made a call on this particular Play. If You truly think GCL Refs are in the Pockets of GCL ADs and Coaches or vice versa You pretty fn clueless and have zero credibility. The GCL Officials could call 50 Fouls in a Game and Still Not Prevent this type of Play.

It’s one thing that you biatch A LOT on here it’s another how clueless you are about most things you complain about.
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Yea, how about they just call the fouls, and then maybe coaches will change this stupidity. And yes, certain leagues have preferred refs. And they're preferred because they call games certain ways.

That's not clueless, that's common sense.
 
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