OHSAA looking at Massillon transfer app

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Pat_from_Toledo said:
To be honest, the High Schools in Ohio, specifically HS Principals, vote on measures put into place by the OHSAA.
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When I say catch up with the times, I am referring to trying to rule with archaic transfer rules. I guess it is going to take someone to take them to court to get them to wake up and join the 2020's.
 
What’s funny about this now some on here are blaming the OHSAA where as before they could do no wrong and Ohio was the best when it came to how thing were ran.
 
Why are they looking at it now? Did new "evidence" suddenly appear or did they just drag their feet? If the rules say 5 games and the ineligible, then they should have made a decision before the 5 games were up. Crazy thought, self imposed rule. If OHSAA sets a date you have to submit paperwork and the school meets that date, then they should have to rule before game 5 is played or player is deemed eligible. Like a statute of limitation or status to file rule.
 
LICKING COUNTY FAN said:
What’s funny about this now some on here are blaming the OHSAA where as before they could do no wrong and Ohio was the best when it came to how thing were ran.
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I can’t remember a time when folks thought the “OHSAA could do no wrong”. My memory is saying that since the inception of Yappi and other high school forums, the OHSAA has had constant, consistent and steady criticism for how they oversee high school athletics in Ohio.
 
Massillon#82 said:
More than we have known for the last 10 days or so ? Would be nice for the Owens family to know since they moved to Massillon 7 months ago.
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This and unfortunately I feel our Admin did not do their due diligence to make the family aware ahead of time that there was not a “green light yet” or that the possibility of his senior year could be in jeopardy. Hopefully I’m wrong but something ain’t adding up.
 
OBIE-WON said:
This and unfortunately I feel our Admin did not do their due diligence to make the family aware ahead of time that there was not a “green light yet” or that the possibility of his senior year could be in jeopardy. Hopefully I’m wrong but something ain’t adding up.
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I don't buy the part about our administration having fault. The kid freaking lives in Massillon, so he should be eligible. Plain and simple.
 
hammer89 said:
a TRO wouldn’t work in this situation because Massillon is voluntarily sitting the kid. OHSAA has just said “we dunno yet, but if he’s ineligible, these games would be at risk of forfeit.”
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It's not clear that's correct. OHSAA's guidance says, "Once the student is ruled eligible in accordance with an exception, the transfer eligibility is restored for as long as the student maintains enrollment and attendance at that school." That would seem to say that he is ineligible until ruled eligible. Which would mean that had he played last week, Massillon would have forfeited for using an ineligible player, irrespective of the eventual disposition.

The thing is, there are a couple of things that we don't know:
- When the paperwork filed.
- Did OHSAA deny the exception and Massillon is appealing, or have they not issued a ruling at all?

Look at the very bottom of the affidavit (attached). That's where you'll find OHSAA's ruling. Once the form has been reviewed, one of the two boxes (Approved or Denied) is checked. If OHSAA has not yet sent the affidavit back to Massillon with one of those boxes checked, that is inexcusable (assuming the affidavit was submitted in a timely manner). Furthermore, it would not be unreasonable to construe such inaction as an intentional imposition of an extra-judicial penalty rather than an unfortunate consequence of an overwhelming workload.
 

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Oil Filter said:
It's not clear that's correct. OHSAA's guidance says, "Once the student is ruled eligible in accordance with an exception, the transfer eligibility is restored for as long as the student maintains enrollment and attendance at that school." That would seem to say that he is ineligible until ruled eligible. Which would mean that had he played last week, Massillon would have forfeited for using an ineligible player, irrespective of the eventual disposition.

The thing is, there are a couple of things that we don't know:
- When the paperwork filed.
- Did OHSAA deny the exception and Massillon is appealing, or have they not issued a ruling at all?

Look at the very bottom of the affidavit (attached). That's where you'll find OHSAA's ruling. Once the form has been reviewed, one of the two boxes (Approved or Denied) is checked. If OHSAA has not yet sent the affidavit back to Massillon with one of those boxes checked, that is inexcusable (assuming the affidavit was submitted in a timely manner). Furthermore, it would not be unreasonable to construe such inaction as an intentional imposition of an extra-judicial penalty rather than an unfortunate consequence of an overwhelming workload.
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I truly don’t understand what the OHSAA has to lose by coming out with a general timeline. Paperwork was submitted on date X, ruling issued date Y (or hasn’t been yet, whatever), new information submitted date Z which is under investigation. That kind of simple transparency would help their public image significantly.
 
hammer89 said:
I truly don’t understand what the OHSAA has to lose by coming out with a general timeline. Paperwork was submitted on date X, ruling issued date Y (or hasn’t been yet, whatever), new information submitted date Z which is under investigation. That kind of simple transparency would help their public image significantly.
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I think OHSAA has made it abundantly clear that that dgaf about their public image.
 
hammer89 said:
I truly don’t understand what the OHSAA has to lose by coming out with a general timeline. Paperwork was submitted on date X, ruling issued date Y (or hasn’t been yet, whatever), new information submitted date Z which is under investigation. That kind of simple transparency would help their public image significantly.
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It would help their bottom line -- because if this goes on much longer there will be legal fees to be considered.

But in general, yeah, a more transparent process would be advisable. However, the way they conduct business now lends itself to all kinds of speculation. But maybe they think that's a reasonable price to pay for being unaccountable. I mean, if they had a policy to process all applications in X weeks, then they couldn't slow-walk disfavored ones. (See, there's some of that speculation.)

I would also say that any such timeline has to include a date by which any information which would contest a player's eligibility should be submitted. Consider the Owens case. It is rumored that Copley has challenged the legitimacy of his transfer. He moved to Massillon in February. If Copley had an issue with it, they've had months to file a challenge. By doing it at this late stage, it almost guarantees that a ruling will be delayed, thus rendering him ineligible for some period. And maybe that's Copley's intent; theirs is a punitive rather than a principled motivation. In which case, an unsuccessful challenge should carry its own consequences. That is, if Copley says that Owens didn't move and it's ruled that he did, whatever consequences would have been imposed on Massillon are now redirected to Copley. Additionally, that may expose Copley to a civil suit. You can't turn a blind eye to such vindictiveness.
 
OBIE-WON said:
This and unfortunately I feel our Admin did not do their due diligence to make the family aware ahead of time that there was not a “green light yet” or that the possibility of his senior year could be in jeopardy. Hopefully I’m wrong but something ain’t adding up.
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Massillon is an open enrollment school district I am sure the admin has continued to let the Owens family know exactly what’s been going on.
 
TigerPaw said:
Pretty much. There's no downside to f'ing with certain schools, the trolls and haters love it. Now if the Gilmour Academy girls soccer team was sitting out waiting THEN you'd see a big stink.
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The Elyria Catholic football program was just placed on a year probation for recruiting.
Where is the thread with a 1,000 posts and all the trolls jumping on for that topic ?? 🤦🏻‍♂️😂
 
Oil Filter said:
It would help their bottom line -- because if this goes on much longer there will be legal fees to be considered.

But in general, yeah, a more transparent process would be advisable. However, the way they conduct business now lends itself to all kinds of speculation. But maybe they think that's a reasonable price to pay for being unaccountable. I mean, if they had a policy to process all applications in X weeks, then they couldn't slow-walk disfavored ones. (See, there's some of that speculation.)

I would also say that any such timeline has to include a date by which any information which would contest a player's eligibility should be submitted. Consider the Owens case. It is rumored that Copley has challenged the legitimacy of his transfer. He moved to Massillon in February. If Copley had an issue with it, they've had months to file a challenge. By doing it at this late stage, it almost guarantees that a ruling will be delayed, thus rendering him ineligible for some period. And maybe that's Copley's intent; theirs is a punitive rather than a principled motivation. In which case, an unsuccessful challenge should carry its own consequences. That is, if Copley says that Owens didn't move and it's ruled that he did, whatever consequences would have been imposed on Massillon are now redirected to Copley. Additionally, that may expose Copley to a civil suit. You can't turn a blind eye to such vindictiveness.
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Bro, I would already be tee'd up for a civil suit regardless of this bulls**t outcome.
 
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