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The mandatory face coverings is never going to happen. Its actually dangerous...
The mandatory face coverings is never going to happen. Its actually dangerous...
It is just something that they proposed to the state to they would allow it, and it's mean to give folks a warm and fuzzy but yeah I don't see it lasting very longThe mandatory face coverings is never going to happen. Its actually dangerous...
We've been talking about it all day. The consensus was that it will last one game and then be abandoned. The other opinion was that it wouldn't even make it to one game. No one thought it would be the standard all Summer long.The mandatory face coverings is never going to happen. Its actually dangerous...
Dangerous?The mandatory face coverings is never going to happen. Its actually dangerous...
First, it's a "feel good" recommendation.
The verbiage in the guidelines requires mask to be worn by those on the bench, coaches, umpires.Dangerous?
I think you guys would complain about anything.
I was curious if catchers/umpires could not come up with a small plastic shield that would be fixated/part of the mask itself, much like what hockey players wear. I was thinking about this with regard to football and lacrosse as well. Just a thin plexiglass covering inside of the metal/hard plastic frame of the mask. Could that not work? Just a thought. They already make the sun shades for catchers mask. This would be the same idea but over the entire mask or just the mouth/nose area.
I agree wearing any type of mouth covering mask under your catcher type mask would prove to be very irritable.
Mmmm maybe, but I also think you might be exaggerating something because you just don't want to do it.Do you understand the physics involved in taking a shot straight to the mask as a plate umpire?
Just to start.....those masks are not designed to be worn over something that moves. (shifts)
I was curious if catchers/umpires could not come up with a small plastic shield that would be fixated/part of the mask itself, much like what hockey players wear. I was thinking about this with regard to football and lacrosse as well. Just a thin plexiglass covering inside of the metal/hard plastic frame of the mask. Could that not work? Just a thought. They already make the sun shades for catchers mask. This would be the same idea but over the entire mask or just the mouth/nose area.
I agree wearing any type of mouth covering mask under your catcher type mask would prove to be very irritable.
And you seem to be subservient to whatever the govt disseminates.I think you guys would complain about anything.
Subservient to whatever? Not sure I'd agree there. But you act like they are asking for blood. This is ain't that difficult.And you seem to be subservient to whatever the govt disseminates.
Mmmm maybe, but I also think you might be exaggerating something because you just don't want to do it.
People at my job complained about having to wear masks at all times. It's too hot, they will get in the way, they are uncomfortable, are just a few of the complaints. That lasted less than a week before everybody just got used to it and it became part of the job. Now it's barely noticed or even talked about.
My point is everyone complains when they have to do something new that goes against what they always have done. Especially when it makes them uncomfortable. The usual initial response is to simply complain, and that gets followed by reasons why it can't be done. Some reasons are legit but exaggerated, and some aren't legit at all.
Now we are talking about constructive problem solving, instead of just dismissing out of hand and saying just keep things the old way. I like this idea. It's a start to an eventual solution.
I said "think", I never claimed to know exactly what you're thinking. I am free to make my assumotuons based on the information you give me partnered with my own knowledge and experience. That is part of critical thinking. Just as you are free to make your assumptions about me based on information I've given you partnered with your own knowledge and experience. Which you have done. Doesn't mean either of us is exactly right, but it can be part of a healthy conversation, or debate if you will, IF they don't assume they must be right and the other person must be wrong.There's only two people on this planet that can read my mind..... They both carry my last name. (wife and mother).
I asked you if you understood the physics involved in taking a shot to the mask as plate umpire. You didn't answer me, instead, you made some assumptions and accused me of exaggerating the circumstances.
Not sure how one can claim that there is exaggerating going on when they've never experienced a ball hitting them square in the face at 85mph or more. (hell, a buddy of mine got knocked cold and had his career ended in a 12 year old game for a shot to the mask)
Not once did I mention comfort, temperature, or reluctance to comply because it's "new".
When I buy a mask, there is testing, testing, and more testing done on that mask to simulate actions that can occur when a ball or bat (yest it happens) hits that mask. Anytime something is altered that affects the way the mask is worn, it changes the dynamics of what happens when a ball hits it.
Until that manufacturer says "we tested this with a facial covering and it meets the industry standards" then I'm not wearing it. Men and women that do are taking a greater chance than we already take out there.
Like I said, just one component to the matter....
And I will answer your question, because I've noticed if you don't get an answer to your question in a person's response you tend to get upset. At the same time, ironically, you tend to get happy with that as well. I think it's because you see it as if they didn't directly answer you, you must have gotten them. Gotcha!If a player came out with a shield like that on his mask, it would have to carry the NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) seal on it. That seal is mandated by rule for protective equipment. Equipment that does not carry that seal or is altered from the original design is illegal.
If any umpire knowingly allows such equipment to be used in a game, he is not only subjecting the player (the coach has a role in this as well) to injury, but placing themselves directly in a negligence lawsuit should something happen to that player.
It's not dismissing the matter out of hand.... there is actually some thought put into this.
SMH lolAs for meeting the NFHS standards, my son caught four years of HS ball and four years of college ball without ever wearing a cup. While incredibly stupid on his behalf I recall umpiring crews asking each coach during the pregame meeting at home plate if their players were properly equipped. I don't recall him ever being down and out so to speak, LOL. Sorry to change the topic.
I guess I was suggesting that it could/would be manufactured to work and fit properly, ensuring all safety. The sun visor that a catcher wears in his mask is installed by the catcher themselves. I have umpired and coached the sport so I understand the liabilities involved. Also the mask could be vented above the mouth/nose area to prevent fogging up. I'm sure some baseball supplier has to already be on this idea.
I guess I was suggesting that it could/would be manufactured to work and fit properly, ensuring all safety. The sun visor that a catcher wears in his mask is installed by the catcher themselves. I have umpired and coached the sport so I understand the liabilities involved. Also the mask could be vented above the mouth/nose area to prevent fogging up. I'm sure some baseball supplier has to already be on this idea.
As for meeting the NFHS standards, my son caught four years of HS ball and four years of college ball without ever wearing a cup. While incredibly stupid on his behalf I recall umpiring crews asking each coach during the pregame meeting at home plate if their players were properly equipped. I don't recall him ever being down and out so to speak, LOL. Sorry to change the topic.
And I will answer your question, because I've noticed if you don't get an answer to your question in a person's response you tend to get upset.
The big hole in this plan is you keep mentioning eye protection shields. I haven't seen any evidence of it being spread by eyes. Every full face mask is specifically made to allow as much air flow as possible while protecting people from physical injuries. That's why there's always holes in the mouth area...so athletes can breath
The bigger problem would be from the optics.
If that shield isn't optically sound, now you are putting the catcher and the umpire in real jeopardy.