Costa
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Its not just players transferring out. Its players not being developed, its poor recruiting, its consistent poor play, bad coaching hires. Everything.
Ohio State Football 2023
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Costa
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@Stirred not Shaken glad you can laugh, yet not refute, anything I said.
Stirred not Shaken
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How did OSU go 11 - 1 last year and this year in the reg. season and come with in of 1 pt. of beating UGA if the program is in such bad shape. Stroud is tearing it up in the NFL (Day gets no credit for that), 3 o - lineman drafted in the NFL last year including one in the 1st. rd. Just everything is horrible.
Edit: Again, I remember the 80's and 90's and the program is at a higher level now than back in those decades.
Costa
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OSU went 11-1 in both seasons by beating up useless teams and losing every game that matters.
The Oline sucks
The Defense sucks
The Special Teams suck
Now, bringing up the NFL....How did Dawand Jones go from getting blown up by Michigan to dominating TJ Watt in one year? COACHING!
Stirred not Shaken
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Your hatred for Day makes you say stuff that is pure garbage. Jones had a PPF score of 82 at OSU (final year) that is pretty good and did not allow a sack all season including vs TTUN.
irish_buffalo
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I think there was a lot more parity in Bruce's day. Not just in terms of talent, as football was still very much regional, but also in philosophy (teams - Bruce included - still ran 50 read-react defenses as more progressive teams moved to attack 4-3).
Today talent is very top heavy. The top ten teams in the country have an advantage and then there is the elite top 3-4 teams in which OSU falls. These teams have an incredible advantage. No one in the B10 today comes close to touching OSU's talent. I get exactly what you are saying, it seems insane to want to can a guy who has gone 11-1 the last two regular seasons but when you consider the shear talent advantage it changes that perception a bit. Just a bit.
I think my frustration is that OSU is the only team outside of the SEC that has the talent to compete with Georgia and Bama for a National Title.
Costa
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My hatred for Day is justified by the embarrassing performance he puts out every game day.
The OLine has struggled against Michigan for three years. That is undeniable no matter what stats or numbers you throw out.
Costa
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True. Largely why Illinois in 83 and Iowa in 85 dethroned OSU and Michigan.
Again, True. 11-1 is a lofty record but accomplished nothing.
I thought Day had learned his lesson in that loss to Georgia. Even with a depleted roster, Ohio State took it to Georgia by attacking constantly. Day, however, at the end, returned to his cautious ways instead of continuing to attack the last couple plays. He repeated that at the end of the first half at Michigan this season. Cautious doesn't win.
Stirred not Shaken
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And why is that? Meyer has been gone for 5 years yet I hear from some posters that Day can't recruit. ND, Penn St., TTUN all had just as a good a pedigree as the Buckeyes before this century maybe even more so esp. ND, why have they not won any titles. There is only one 7-0 Meyer, yet he won just one NC at OSU compared to 2 at UF and these last 3 scum teams are better than anything Meyer faced; I know this is heresy but sometimes you have to give your opponent some credit.
Costa
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Penn State cannot replace Paterno, his shadow is too large. Ohio State went from 1979-2000 before they replaced Woody. Notre Dame has not found the right coach for decades and have made some very bad hires. Michigan as well. The wolverines panicked when OSU took control of the series and basically forced Carr out. They have staggered ever since and still would be if Ohio State hadn't hired a soft goober as their coach.
Stirred not Shaken
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You proved my point great HC's are hard to find. If OSU fires Day Bucks are more likely to end up like ND, TTUN and PSU. Like I posted in another thread when Cooper was fired the 2 main candidates were Tressel from YSU (D -1AA school) and Glen Mason HC at Minn. Fickell may be the answer may be not, than the Bucks will end up like ND and PSU, and TTUN oh BTW Day has never lost to ND or PSU and Fickell 7-5 at Wisky should have been better considering you think the BIG sucks so bad.
Cedar_Point
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You may as well accept Day is going to be the coach going forward. No way a new AD is going to come in and the first thing they do is fire the Head Coach of the football team that makes up nearly the entire athletic department’s budget. And also winning 10 plus games and make the playoffs, which they will do again next year
Stirred not Shaken
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Agree but if OSU loses to TTUN and loses in the 1st rd. of CFP, Day will get the axe.
Stirred not Shaken
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Being New Years Day the most disappointing bowl game loss for OSU was in 1976 when the Bucks were ranked no.1 and loss to UCLA in the Rose Bowl. A UCLA team that OSU def. easily during the reg. season. Good thing for Woody (not that he would give a da**) that there was no SM back then.
brian1227
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Yep Ryan day is a bad coach.
Costa
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Depends on who they hire. There are good ones out there.
Costa
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They have to get to the CFP first. With the very depleted roster and bad coaching, that's certainly not a sure thing
Stirred not Shaken
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How is the roster "very depleted".
Costa
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Look at it and its not done.....
Stirred not Shaken
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I am, on offense at least 4 starters maybe 5 back on the o line. Stacked at wr. Henderson may be back, hopefully a TP QB. On defense will see who comes back.
Costa
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Stacked at WR? LOLOLOLOLOL
4 starters back on a horrid OLine
Henderson is likely gone
Burke and JT are gone on D, Williams and Sawyer may go also. and its irrelevant because the Coordinator is aweful.
Stirred not Shaken
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Your a moron if you don't think OSU is stacked at receiver. On the line Jackson was 1st team All-Big coaches and media, Jones was 2nd team coaches 3rd team media, Fryar 3rd team coaches 1st team media. OSU avg. 425 yds agame during the season and had almost 400 yds. of offense vs TTUN. But keep trolling.
nwwarrior09
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Curious more haven't commented about the suspicious Hinzman benching.
One of the comments he made on his podcast appearance that really jumped out as interesting to me was the management of the postseason calendar. I believe you get 15 practices (someone correct this if wrong). He seemed to indicate that they'd only had 6 real practices so far as of the podcast date of December 20th. The implication then would be that post UM game they didn't do much for 3 1/2 weeks and had a lot of workouts and time off instead of practicing, and jammed most of their allowed practice time into the week or so before the game...and they may have left a couple days on the table.
If that were true, IMO that's pretty much a negligent command of the calendar and may explain why Hinzman was benched. It sounds like things may have been very laid-back and "country club" like for almost the entirety of the bowl prep.
One of the comments he made on his podcast appearance that really jumped out as interesting to me was the management of the postseason calendar. I believe you get 15 practices (someone correct this if wrong). He seemed to indicate that they'd only had 6 real practices so far as of the podcast date of December 20th. The implication then would be that post UM game they didn't do much for 3 1/2 weeks and had a lot of workouts and time off instead of practicing, and jammed most of their allowed practice time into the week or so before the game...and they may have left a couple days on the table.
If that were true, IMO that's pretty much a negligent command of the calendar and may explain why Hinzman was benched. It sounds like things may have been very laid-back and "country club" like for almost the entirety of the bowl prep.
Costa
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Dude get a grip. the OLine is really bad. the mere fact that you have to go to San Diego State to find a starting tackle is all the proof that is needed. Who are these stacked receivers? what are their accomplishments?
Costa
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Hinzman was benched for exposing Day for the fool he is. He likely won't be back.
Gbulldog
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Who would be your top 5?
Stirred not Shaken
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I state facts how did OSU avg. 425 yds of offense and nearly 400 vs scum if the o line is so bad. Huh troll.
irish_buffalo
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I will never tell you Day cannot recruit. The stats do not lie and as I have pointed out ad nauseum OSU has dudes. More than most. So when I hear that Sawyer and JT or Simon have been a disappointment I cringe because I think it has more to do with coaching/philosophy.
Those three teams you mention have not won titles because they have not been able to recruit like OSU. OSU is the only team outside of the SEC and Clemson of late, that has been able to consistently keep up. Oklahoma, LSU, and Texas all have had one offs, but not consistent like OSU.
While I think these last three UM teams have been very good, I do not think they are that much better than many of the teams Meyer faced and it has been proven in their bowl games. The 2016 team was very good, but the difference was OSU was better and better coached. That UM team lost 3 games buy a combined 5 points (OSU game in two OT). The last two seasons UM has played NO ONE and then beat OSU, get a ton of street cred in that win, and then gets shown up in the playoff. They have Day's number because even though they are at a disadvantage with talent they run the ball, play very sound physical D, and do the little things right.
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bob99
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The jury is out on how good Michigan actually was the last three years. The teams that have lost to Michigan may not have had an honest opportunity to win if the sign scandal is proven to have occurred. Maybe get some idea if Michigan is for real on an even playing field in today's game. 21 and 22 didn't go very well in the playoffs.
Costa
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No, Michigan isnt very good. The Michigan teams that Bruce and Cooper faced were better, a few of the teams that Tress faced were better and one from Urbs time was better.
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