Why would you pass up another opportunity to play Moeller in favor of The Row? That's crazy. Look at the Harbins you're raking in if you beat Moe compared to Withrow! Even if you lose to Moeller it's practically the same as beating Withrow. Plus, it shows Mason is running with the big boys and establishing itself as a major program. Playing Withrow gets you nothing. I say start off the season with Springboro then Moeller!
Mason vs Moeller Sunday Update
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CometCountry
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As a fan I understand what you are saying--please understand that an 8 game GMC schedule (which means it's a big game every week in GMC standings starting week 3) makes it important to get 2 potential non-conference wins heading into GMC play for Harbin points. Being in a 10 team league means that 5 teams from the GMC will lose every week beginning in week 3--hurts your 2nd level points in the Harbin rankings--if your opponents don't win. I'd say it would be great to play Springboro as they have since 2011 or Moeller, but not both of them. GCL South teams have 7 weeks to sculpt their non-league schedules into playing some tough winnable games and adding to their Harbin totals at the same time--the GMC will not have that luxury beginning in 2017. Maybe not play Withrow, but I'd certainly schedule a winnable game vs. an opponent who can pick up 4-6 wins in their own schedule.
Termite2
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Mason would be foolish to play Moeller every year. The name of the game if you want to make the playoffs is to schedule teams before conference play that you have a reasonable expectation of beating, Moeller does not fit that criteria.
Mason playing Springboro or Kings makes sense, decent teams that will get them points.
Schedule wisely and win.
Mason playing Springboro or Kings makes sense, decent teams that will get them points.
Schedule wisely and win.
Exactly right. Mason has a lot of options in scheduling their two OOC games and Moeller would not be a good choice for them.
Also my understanding is that the GMC has run the numbers and they'll do fine getting teams into the playoffs with the new 8 game league schedule. Remember in D1, 8/18 teams make the playoffs. As for the D2 Vikings, a schedule of nearly all D1 schools will give them more than enough points if they can win 8 games.
Comets
No doubt Mason played a very tough game, possibly the best team I have seen there in several years. Don't forget that a dropped pass, (receiver was wide open and three steps ahead of his defender) kept it from being 24-0. It is what it is and the teams played a tough, all be it very penalized game.
No doubt Mason played a very tough game, possibly the best team I have seen there in several years. Don't forget that a dropped pass, (receiver was wide open and three steps ahead of his defender) kept it from being 24-0. It is what it is and the teams played a tough, all be it very penalized game.
And I have worked in medi for an equally long amount of time and completely disagree. He is a very gracious guy, not one to try to diminish others accomplishments- but you are going hear what you want to hear and believe what you want to believe. I do think that real Moe Fans are cautiously optimistic about this years team knowing how quickly a promising season can turn based on injuries so most are not shouting from the rooftops but just cheering from the sidelines.
Sorry, I would have to disagree, anytime Mason gets to play Moeller in any sport, that game is definitely highlighted on their schedule. I would say Mason does get more up for them than a normal opponent. It goes back to recruitment allegations plus there are quite a few students who walk the halls of Mason Jr. High that end up at Moeller so it does add a little something to the rivalry on the side of Mason with kids knowing each other. Moeller plays a ton of teams where they are their "Super Bowl" game and have to be up to play each week because it is a big deal to knock off Big Moe in any sport! I don't think the coach was being disrespectful, just honest. Mason doesn't play a school like Moeller on a weekly basis, so I'm sure it was a bigger deal for them since they don't play a school them often. Moeller on the other hand will play schools on Mason's level or above on a weekly basis.
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Termite2
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The problem with an 8 game league schedule is the OOC games; the greater the percentage of wins leaguewide in those games will determine how many league teams make the playoffs. You can't have half the league winless in OOC games, destroys multiple bids. The best outcome for the league is to have their bad teams schedule and beat patsies, doesn't matter if the the patsies go 0-10, those 2nd level points count just the same for the upper half of the league as if the patsies go 9-1.
If the GMC was a D2 or D3 league and scheduled 8 conference games that would be committing Harbin suicide. But given that a much higher percentage of Mega Big D1 schools make the playoffs (over 40% of the teams versus about 25% of the teams in other divisions) than the other divisions, I believe that mathematically there is little difference.
The only thing that could limit the number of GMC teams would be if they ALL went 500 in conference play. I'm sure this will happen and then only 1 or 2 GMC teams will make the playoffs. So yea in a year that looked like this:
Colerain 9 - 1
Mason 8 - 2
Fairfield 6 - 4
LW 5 - 5
LE 5 - 5
Princeton 5 - 5
Hamilton 4 - 6
Sycamore 4 - 6
Middletown 4 - 6
Oak Hills 2 - 8
Only Colerain & Mason would make the playoffs. Well, guess what, no one else would have deserved a spot.
And lets not poo-poo the enormous practical advantages to playing 8 conference games:
* Much less travel during the regular season. This effects more than just the football team as the bands also tag along. Big savings in time and costs to the school districts. Frankly, that drive to Dublin Coffman last week sucked.
* No more sweating bullets trying to fill an OOC schedule. For some teams (Colerain comes to mind) that is not an easy task. A couple of years ago there was serious talk of FF playing Mentor in a home & away! We lucked out and got Coffman on the schedule instead.
* There will be fewer "shared" GMC titles.
* The schedules for the Freshman & JV will be complete and not have to be moved around to accommodate travel. Again, the coaches, trainers, administrators & parents of the football programs are very busy people in the fall. Having LOCAL freshman & JV games scheduled on the same days all season long is HUGE in reducing the work load & stress on a program.
* Gate receipts & concession sales are likely to go up as the additional league game will in general outdraw at least one of the OOC games, especially those that have to travel.
* For a team like Colerain the 8 league game schedule is insurance in the event that the Showdown ever goes under. It's already lasted longer than most people thought possible and hopefully it will last another 20 years, BUT, if it did shut down in January some schools would suddenly face a real challenge filling their schedules out.
* Much less travel during the regular season. This effects more than just the football team as the bands also tag along. Big savings in time and costs to the school districts. Frankly, that drive to Dublin Coffman last week sucked.
* No more sweating bullets trying to fill an OOC schedule. For some teams (Colerain comes to mind) that is not an easy task. A couple of years ago there was serious talk of FF playing Mentor in a home & away! We lucked out and got Coffman on the schedule instead.
* There will be fewer "shared" GMC titles.
* The schedules for the Freshman & JV will be complete and not have to be moved around to accommodate travel. Again, the coaches, trainers, administrators & parents of the football programs are very busy people in the fall. Having LOCAL freshman & JV games scheduled on the same days all season long is HUGE in reducing the work load & stress on a program.
* Gate receipts & concession sales are likely to go up as the additional league game will in general outdraw at least one of the OOC games, especially those that have to travel.
* For a team like Colerain the 8 league game schedule is insurance in the event that the Showdown ever goes under. It's already lasted longer than most people thought possible and hopefully it will last another 20 years, BUT, if it did shut down in January some schools would suddenly face a real challenge filling their schedules out.
Troutslayer
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Your right B.E.--just would've been nice if Moeller's coach could've acknowledged the same thing--as you well know he was hoping to beat the snot out of Mason and keep the pipeline flowing to Montgomery--and he wasn't able to do it so he played it off like the game meant more to Mason than Moeller--weak
All of this whining because Mason did not get "the right kind of compliment" sounds pretty weak...Pat yourself on the back and move on already...
CometCountry
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Sorry Trout--no one is looking for a compliment--the winning coach called the game "Mason's Super Bowl"--he doesn't know that and was ticked winning by just 3 points--I contend Colerain being #1 in the City and a GMC league game is far bigger than Moeller in week 3--obviously the Comets will move on as they have week 1 of the GMC with Lakota West--a big neighborhood game.
Sorry Trout--no one is looking for a compliment--the winning coach called the game "Mason's Super Bowl"--he doesn't know that and was ticked winning by just 3 points--I contend Colerain being #1 in the City and a GMC league game is far bigger than Moeller in week 3--obviously the Comets will move on as they have week 1 of the GMC with Lakota West--a big neighborhood game.
I don't know, after listening to the kids and the parents talk all year about Moeller I think this was their super bowl. Lots of folks in Mason despise Moeller for stealing their A talent.
I don't think it's the stealing of our A talent. Probably more have gone to X over Moeller. I also don't subscribe to the theory of it being "our" talent. I think it was simply the fact Mason wanted to show the Moeller faithful they were just as capable of competing with the Crusaders as any other program. You want respect? Then you challenge one of the big dogs. The fact Mason came up short in the final minutes only bolsters the argument that there's quality football being played in other places besides the GCL.
As a Moeller fan, I hate that they can't play more local teams. This year is the exception and I don't think it will go on past this year.
Moeller-Mason....could be a huge rivalry on a yearly basis. Not just in football, but also baseball and basketball.
Moeller-Sycamore....potential for a huge neighborhood rivalry.
Moeller-Lakota also falls along the same lines as Moeller-Mason.
I like they have been playing Wayne, but that's not exactly a "local" opponent.
McLaughlin is going to turn Princeton around quickly. Hopefully, with his connection to Moeller, they can renew that game.
It's a shame grown men can't get out of the way and let the boys play some of these games. Seriously, who would the kids at Mason rather play....Withrow or Moeller? I know this year was a bit different, but I think it will be short lived. Mason was a one time thing and Lakota was part of the showdown. I don't know what the status of the Wayne contract is beyond this year.
Moeller-Mason....could be a huge rivalry on a yearly basis. Not just in football, but also baseball and basketball.
Moeller-Sycamore....potential for a huge neighborhood rivalry.
Moeller-Lakota also falls along the same lines as Moeller-Mason.
I like they have been playing Wayne, but that's not exactly a "local" opponent.
McLaughlin is going to turn Princeton around quickly. Hopefully, with his connection to Moeller, they can renew that game.
It's a shame grown men can't get out of the way and let the boys play some of these games. Seriously, who would the kids at Mason rather play....Withrow or Moeller? I know this year was a bit different, but I think it will be short lived. Mason was a one time thing and Lakota was part of the showdown. I don't know what the status of the Wayne contract is beyond this year.
CometCountry
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I see what you mean, but it's impossible to satisfy all you want simply because the GMC will play 8 league games and the GCL South has just 3 league games--they have to fill 7 weeks of non-league games. Now maybe if the 4 GCL schools would join the 10 team GMC it would be possible to have two 7 team divisions and all of the games you want to see could happen.:crush: Wouldn't that be something!
Please list the "quite a few students....who end up at Moeller" and since this is a football forum, keep it to football players. Yes, there are a lot of Mason RESIDENTS who end up at Moe, but the vast majority are Catholic kids who either go to St. Susanna or their parents probably intended on them going to a Catholic HS after grade school. I think a year or so ago, a poster listed the starting 22 (plus specialists) from Moeller and like 19 or 20 were from Catholic grade schools. Yes, there are some public school kids who end up at Moe for any number of reasons, and sports is a big reason, but this myth that Moeller has tons of public school kids show up every year is just not true. Especially from Mason. I can think of a few Mason students who "transferred" to Moeller in the last 5 or 6 years and play/played football, but its just a handful and most of them went to St Susanna and/or their families are Catholic. Can parents not decide where they can send their kids to school?????
Sorry Trout--no one is looking for a compliment--the winning coach called the game "Mason's Super Bowl"--he doesn't know that and was ticked winning by just 3 points--I contend Colerain being #1 in the City and a GMC league game is far bigger than Moeller in week 3--obviously the Comets will move on as they have week 1 of the GMC with Lakota West--a big neighborhood game.
I think it was Mason's Super Bowl. Mason plays Colerain (almost) every year and when is the last time(if ever) they won? Moeller is one of a few dominant programs in Ohio and I don't know if they have ever played. The magnitude of a win over Moeller I think would be MUCH bigger than a Colerain win. Moeller 9 State titles, Colerain 1.
They had plenty of opportunities to show they could compete, but opted to boycott instead. I don't get this "we almost won!" so we are awesome stuff
LEONARD
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Last time Moe and Mason played before this year was 2007. 24 to 7, Moe.
adselder09
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Don't think they'll have an issue getting 2-3 teams in every year, but the 8th GMC game is definitely going to hurt the Harbin totals for the league.
When I stated, "they wanted to compete" I was speaking in terms of the game this past Sunday. I thought this was fairly obvious but somehow was lost on you. I've also re read my post and am unable to find any claim to Mason being awesome. I said Mason was competitive against Moeller. To set the record straight, we didn't "almost win"! Mason was in a position where they could have won.
CometCountry
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Dad--exactly right--the original discussion was Moe Coach saying the game was Mason's "Super Bowl" when I can guarantee you this team of Comets would much rather beat #1 Colerain this season and have a shot at the GMC title. than beat Moeller. The Comets wanted to beat Moeller because it was a chance to go 3-0 and secure more Harbin points to earn a playoff spot--No Comet poster suggested that Mason should be happy to "almost win" as KBaller noted--the most important part of this season begins Friday vs. West!!
adselder09
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Let it go CC. This is just embarrassing. Who gives a rat's behind if the opposing coach didn't give little johnny and his teammates from Mason credit for playing it tough. They played tough, better than people expected but lost. Move on to the next game and revisit this if these two meet come playoff time.Sorry Trout--no one is looking for a compliment--the winning coach called the game "Mason's Super Bowl"--he doesn't know that and was ticked winning by just 3 points--I contend Colerain being #1 in the City and a GMC league game is far bigger than Moeller in week 3--obviously the Comets will move on as they have week 1 of the GMC with Lakota West--a big neighborhood game.
This!
Do you think the Comets would have won with your Son at QB? Someone told me that he used to be the better QB when they were younger.
Hardly! My son doesn't play QB. To be honest with you, I would have sat Hutch for a few plays after the second fumble. I would, at the very least have Harris getting more snaps in practice. I understand Hutch is the senior with more experience but what good does it do if he constantly turns the ball over and is unable to hit his receivers?
That's all you got, a game 9 years ago? Any comment on the "gist" of my post?