I know what you’re saying, but aren’t the other three districts lopsided because they are staying away from Moeller? They’d prefer to play in a meat grinder district over a (likely) earlier loss to Moeller, right?
It's a sports tournament, not the stock market. For me, I couldn't care less what everyone thinks or feels. You get your seed and get placed in the bracket based on it. Regardless of how you feel, you play who you are scheduled to play based on your seed. If SWO at the very least did that, I would have a greater appreciation for it, even if they still kept their essential super regional bracket style and coaches voting for seeds.
That is part of the beauty of the OHSAA Tournament, 4 teams from Cincy cannot meet in the Final Four. Small towns all across Ohio have a chance to make it to the Final Four before they could see Cincy, Dayton or Akron team.
I don't disagree, love the small town Hoosier stories, but there is also a part of me that wants to see the best two teams in the state final regardless of where they are from.
We rarely see the 2 BEST teams in the state in the finals. It may be the two teams that have played their best games in the last couple weeks. That's the excitement, upsets and underdogs.
This isn’t the feedback I’ve been getting.
There is approximately 160 head basketball coaches in the NWD. How many of them have you spoken with?
Definitely not a mathematician so if I got it wrong I apologize. I read "OAOWP: opponents’ average opponents’ winning percentage. An example for this would be like saying Ohio State gets more points for beating a 15-3 Michigan State team than Dayton would get for beating a 15-3 Davidson team." from the Martin website. Since it says "beating" and not "playing" in there twice in the example, I interpreted that as you must win to get the benefit in this calculation.
That's not beauty to me. I'd like to see the best teams always have the best potential to play at the end
Sounds like all of the metrics are there, but the weight of each metric needs adjusting.
Let's compare the Summit Country Day and Lutheran East RPI calculations since you mentioned those two schools. Win % was weighted at 35%, AOWP at 35%, OAOWP at 25%, and L1 at 5%.
It looks to me that the win% hurt Lutheran East more.
One tweak may be the need to have a designated District tournament by location instead of a super sectional.
Good point - definitely not that many. I was made aware of an email chain, though, that certainly leaned anti-RPI.
I will guess it to be close to 50/50 with the traditional way winning. There are a lot of coaches out there that have been burnt by vindictive voting and would like to see an unbiased system.
Can you say where you are connected (assuming NWOH) and what vindictive voting takes place at a pace to burn a lot of different coaches? In SWOH there is sometimes complaints about teams in the same league voting for each other, but I don't remember many times on the boys side there being a clear vindictive vote.
Some coaches have said that others have in the past voted teams much lower then they should be with the goal of getting their team a higher seed. Others have stated that league connection and loyalty as an issue also.
Put everyone in 1 bracket lose go home win keep playing. Draw them blindly out of a hat. If you are good rank/seed means zero. Does it matter if the champ beats you in first or last round? you still lost. Seeds are overrated just go win the game. If you hang district and sectional banners you are wasting money that could go elsewhere. Martin ranking joes ranking Philips ranking and whoever wants to rank is all and good for discussion but seriously just lace them up and play
Interesting take.....You are correct that Martin/AP/social media guys rankings are fun to talk about, but don't matter.
Your reasoning is flawed in my opinion. The tournament process should not be designed to create an easy path. IT should be designed to find out who is playing the best basketball in March. This is why IMO, the SW needs to revamp their tournament structure to play out their districts and find the district champs from the Cincy area to play the district champs from the Dayton area.
They do that, but it is the sectional. The sectional winners in the south play the sectional winners in the north. Are you saying create one Cincy team vs one Dayton team for one district champ? If so, since the SW sends 3 or 4 teams to regionals depending on division, how would you get the other teams?
They have a super sectional. The change have 2 sectional champs playing each other in a District final game of the territory. Sending potentially 2 district champs from the South to play 2 from the North.
Gotcha, so you would always have 2 dayton vs 2 cincy in the regional?
That is how most regional districts are designed. A district champ comes out of a mapped area and plays another district champ from a mapped area in the regional semi.
If you are a coach or player and dont want to play the best i feel sorry for you. Easy way is stay home collect a check from mailbox.
If you have the #2 seed are you immediately jumping in the #1 seed’s bracket to play them in the first round? Coaches choose the path they think gives their team the best chance to advance as far as possible. There aren’t many that go into a draw thinking “well, we may lose the first game, but I’m gonna match up with the best team I can find right out of the chute.”
Why not? Win or go home. As I said earlier lace them up and play. If you draw blindly you are not choosing an easy or hard route the placement is a random draw. It is a HS basketball game. This thread was about using some idiotic ranking system to seed teams. A blind draw may be idiotic too but it is the most unbiased. No coach no computer just draw out of a hat and put on board. Pretty simple maybe for your coaches and players we can have 10 divisions to make their chances better or 1 division 1 draw. Lace them up and play. Over and out…
When I was a kid in Indiana, there was one class with 64 sectionals. Same 7 or 8 teams in your sectional every year based on geography. Probably most were in your conference as well. The winners always matched up in the same set of 4 in the regional, then 4 in semi-state, then 4 in state finals. Too bad if you were #2 in the state and played #1 the first week. And Indiana one class basketball tourney was often rightly viewed as one of the best high school sports things going. Also interesting was that the rounds after sectionals were played in one day so it was win twice or go home. That got interesting, especially if you got more starters rest or even if you played first or second game and made it to evening game.