What the RPI picked up on was that Carlisle played teams with better records then the teams that Indian Lake played and they won 19 of them. Indian Lake played teams with poorer records and they won 11.
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Stirred not Shaken
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What a brilliant algorithm. 3rd grader could do that.
OhioBBLines
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Liberty-Benton being the 4 seed did not make their coaches very thrilled. In their meeting he said "we are really big fans of Martin RPI" in a sarcastic tone.
Not sure he really has any complaint....other than the fact that they did beat Carey, who ended up the 3 seed. If they wouldn't have lost to a not very good Liberty Center team the night before the tourney draw they would have been at least the #3. They really didn't have one "good win" the entire season and their SOS was #145 compared to Carey at 97.
As it turned out they get Carey again if they beat Parkway in their first game, so it really didn't make any difference other than having possibly not gotten the bye. #2 Spencerville, #3 Carey and LB are all in the bottom half of the bracket so they won't see OG until the District final.
Obviously you didn't.
Not all coaches voted for the trial use. We already knew that.
MY point is that things outside of bball happen and play into the game results that no form or ranking system can predict.
Dont think head to head can possibly be a factor.
A huge irony to RPI is the help in RPI Carlisle would have gotten in playing PS win or lose, the opponents win % factor got a huge lift.
Their opponents win percentage was still only 47% so it's not like playing one 19-3 team helped them too much lol
But it did help
Huge.
Better get used to it.While I still hate the RPI as a seeding tool
Ha, if so this thread will grow exponentially with me posting its flaws each seasonBetter get used to it.
So be it. I spoke with an OHSAA top basketball person recently and he said it is coming. They are just trying to find the best formula.Ha, if so this thread will grow exponentially with me posting its flaws each season
Tell him to call me and I can help
basketballdayton
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If this happen would the tournament be seeding like football as the worst seed gets the best seed?
I think that is a better format than current system as right now best team gets two bottom teams, which means a lot of good teams play each other too early.
I think that is a better format than current system as right now best team gets two bottom teams, which means a lot of good teams play each other too early.
Do your own work. If you were a coach your opinion would matter.Tell him to call me and I can help
Less work for them imagine that
The Martin guy has done a real good job with tournament coverage which will help the reputation of his rankings, even if they are flawed lol. Great PR move by him and he deserves credit for it!
Not really, before the formula was discussed, the coaches did all the work with voting and most areas did that online so OHSAA was very limited other then monitoring the results.
Philly_Cat
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Update on PC. Martin has them 14. Only Max Preps has them in the top 10 (7). AP has them out of the top 10 as well.
The final AP (OPSWA) poll on 2/20 had them at 7.
Teams left as ranked by Martin:
D1 - 5/6/14/15/19/20/43/73
D2 - 1/3/5/18/21/22/55/58
D3 - 1/2/9/11/18/22/29/35
D4 - 1/4/6/7/8/27/29/39
No judgement here, just listing for discussion.
Yappi
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What is interesting about those numbers is the competitiveness of each division. The higher the division, the more parity we see.
Hoban surely did not think so, by the way they beat them yesterday.D1 final is between Martin's #14 (PC) and #15 (Hoban) ranked teams in Ohio. Nobody could have used the eye test to predict PC was one of the top teams in Ohio
Two Cinderella stories in the D1 final, what a season!
Hoban clearly thought PC was one of the better teams in Ohio bc they were locked in and prepared, while it looked like PC was basing their prep for Hoban on Martin's rankings!!
Obviously unfamiliar with Hoban as that is how they played most games this year going 25-3 before the final game. PC must have done that a few times as they had close games with Westerville South, Olentangy Orange and Centerville. Those 3 and Hoban must not have gotten your memo that PC was the best time in the state.
Curious to know. If you have access to past info. How many times did the #1 ranked team in state win the D1 title since 2000.
Mr. Slippery
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FWIW, Hoban entered the tournament seeded 4th in its half of the NE District which consisted of 3 brackets.
No time to research, just having some fun. Both teams had great seasons and were clearly better than their Martin and OPSWA rankings. As we all have agreed to, no ranking system is perfect.Obviously unfamiliar with Hoban as that is how they played most games this year going 25-3 before the final game. PC must have done that a few times as they had close games with Westerville South, Olentangy Orange and Centerville. Those 3 and Hoban must not have gotten your memo that PC was the best time in the state.
Curious to know. If you have access to past info. How many times did the #1 ranked team in state win the D1 title since 2000.