MAGA Movement Wins Bigly in Virginia!

y2h said:
Telling parents to turn their kids over to the state is never a good look.
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Funny thing is he said that two weeks after early voting started in VA. Bet there were more then a few Indies and Dems wish they had their ballot back. This is one reason I dislike early voting, things change quickly sometimes in a day or two.
 
y2h said:
He actually increased his support among that demographic...which is really why the left is afraid of him.

Old Joe said "if you dont vote for me you ain't black"
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His black support was obviously not a strength and when you are that pathetic in a demographic as large as that, you are in trouble.
 
ProV1 said:
Some truth to that. He clearly was a great gift to Dems.
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He was? There wasn't a republican in the 2016 election who could have motivated the surprise turnout of rural voters in the way Trump did to beat Hillary. Do you really think Jeb! or John "boy" Kasich would have beaten Hillary? I don't.

Sure, Trump lost in 2020 and that was a short term blow but in the mid- to long-run the democrats will reap the whirlwinds of Biden's incompetent and mean spirited presidency.

And Trump gave the GOP a whole new group of loyal voters who will make a difference in election after election, like they did yesterday.

The fact remains that Trump did better among Blacks & Hispanics then any republican candidate in the modern era. And those inroads will pay a great dividends going forward.

IMO the evidence supports the idea that republicans and conservatives are stronger because of Trump. It was messy for sure but in the end it helped the right that the great Orange Monster came down that escalator.
 
Omar said:
I really believe VA had more to do with McAuliffe bungling things. The Loudon County incident, saying parents shouldn’t have a say in what their kids learn, and the stunt with the Lincoln Project were such massive errors, he did not deserve to win.
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That and the clear history of Virginia voters made this a situation where he could only lose if he screwed the pooch.
 
ProV1 said:
His black support was obviously not a strength and when you are that pathetic in a demographic as large as that, you are in trouble.
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You mean like the democrats increasingly look to the eyes of a much bigger demographic like the white working class?

Trump did better among Black voters then both Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney.
 
ProV1 said:
Youngkin certainly did not. Not a single image or reference of him and Trump was ever produced or used. He ran from Trump.
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ProV1 said:
He ran from Trump.
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Are you sure?
Fortune.Republican Glenn Youngkin wins Virginia governor race, showing Trump’s political influence remains strong.The off-year election was also indicative of the strength that former President Donald Trump holds over Republicans..9 hours ago
Trump lost Virginia in both 2016 and 2020, but Youngkin has found success in embracing Trump’s endorsement.

"Trump represents so much of why I'm running," he told voters earlier this fall.
 
bigkat said:
didn't she use to be a conservative? i guess money will change your morals........


by the way it was GREAT TV watching MSNbs and Madcow, and Chrissy Hayes last night.......and hater Joy Reid, she couldn't say racism enough..... inbetween trying to breath last night........
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I meant to tune in to watch them cry, but didn’t. It would have been fun.
 
lotr10 said:
He was? There wasn't a republican in the 2016 election who could have motivated the surprise turnout of rural voters in the way Trump did to beat Hillary. Do you really think Jeb! or John "boy" Kasich would have beaten Hillary? I don't.

Sure, Trump lost in 2020 and that was a short term blow but in the mid- to long-run the democrats will reap the whirlwinds of Biden's incompetent and mean spirited presidency.

And Trump gave the GOP a whole new group of loyal voters who will make a difference in election after election, like they did yesterday.

The fact remains that Trump did better among Blacks & Hispanics then any republican candidate in the modern era. And those inroads will pay a great dividends going forward.

IMO the evidence supports the idea that republicans and conservatives are stronger because of Trump. It was messy for sure but in the end it helped the right that the great Orange Monster came down that escalator.
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Trump won 2016 because the country hated Hillary. He then proceeded to lose the House, Senate, and 2020. He was a 1 term president in an era of two term shoe ins. Here is what you guys don't get. Pay close attention...

At the extremes, we have 25-30% at each end of the electorate who are ignorant, hard core ideologues. They don't pay attention to facts and truth and they only listen to others that share their warped extremist view of the world. They will never change. In the middle, you have 40+% of the country that does not have entrenched ideologic beliefs. Sure...they mostly like less taxes and not more. Might have an opinion on something like abortion but are not a single issue lunatic. They do not consume mountains of propaganda but keep themselves reasonably educated. They apply common sense. They may even identify as a democrat or a republican if not an independent. Most important, they are more likely to vote against a candidate or idea vs vote for a candidate or idea. This is the meaty middle and they decide who wins. See 2016 and 2020 as prime examples.
 
lotr10 said:
Were they though? Trump added 12,000,000 votes to his total from 2016 which is unprecedented in the modern era. So a lot of people were attracted to the MAGA concept. Unfortunately for Trump even more people were repulsed by his behavior.
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Exactly. See my previous post on the subject.
 
It's amazing how the same voters who voted Biden in 11 months ago are now white supremacists because they voted for a republican.

Democrats need a new message rather than saying anyone who doesn't agree with them is a racist, Nazi, white supremacist, traitor to their race (if a person of color ) etc

People are now seeing through your wacky policy. Get ready to get smoked in 22 if you continue down this path
 
BlueJayFan said:
I mean it's pretty simple: Democrats are in power, the president has decently low approval ratings, so the opposing party had a good night.

It happens every year/midterm election if those same conditions are present.

What will be most interesting to see is 1) How the dems try to pick up the pieces and rebrand before 2022 and 2) How the Republicans choose to sell themselves going forward: Appeal to the Trumpies or actual common sense
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It honestly looks like Youngkin found a pretty good formula...keep Drumpf at arms length without disavowing him.

I mean, the house is flipping no matter what anyone does between now and then. If the democrats can dial back the insane progressive wokeness an Uncle Joe can get his numbers into the high 40s, they stand a decent chance of keeping the Senate at 50-50.
 
y2h said:
We already see it. "Well of course Virginia was going to flip, nothing to see here"

I bet we'll start hearing voter suppression accusations from Dem operatives in 3...2...1...
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Didn't the D get at least the number of votes he won with in the past?
 
fish82 said:
It honestly looks like Youngkin found a pretty good formula...keep Drumpf at arms length without disavowing him.

I mean, the house is flipping no matter what anyone does between now and then. If the democrats can dial back the insane progressive wokeness an Uncle Joe can get his numbers into the high 40s, they stand a decent chance of keeping the Senate at 50-50.
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I have been saying this for a long, long time.

Contested elections are generally won by the side that is most fed up with the other and not so much in support of their own candidate.

Hatred of the the opponent > likeability of the other.

"Let sleeping dogs lie".

Trump lost because his rhetoric pissed off too many on the other side.

This Virginia guy won because Republicans were fed up with how democrats are running things.

THAT is what gets people riled up enough to vote. Politics anymore is becoming a vote against a candidate, and not for one.
 
fish82 said:
It honestly looks like Youngkin found a pretty good formula...keep Drumpf at arms length without disavowing him.

I mean, the house is flipping no matter what anyone does between now and then. If the democrats can dial back the insane progressive wokeness an Uncle Joe can get his numbers into the high 40s, they stand a decent chance of keeping the Senate at 50-50.
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I think your first point is what we're going to see a lot of new-ish Republicans do going forward. Some are already all-in, but all of the fresh faces and more moderate Republicans are going to try to do exactly what he did.

I look for Republicans to control the House by 10-20 seats after the midterms and control the Senate by a few seats, but can also see a dream scenario for Dems where they retain the 50-50 tie.
 
BlueJayFan said:
I think your first point is what we're going to see a lot of new-ish Republicans do going forward. Some are already all-in, but all of the fresh faces and more moderate Republicans are going to try to do exactly what he did.
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If will be fun to watch these 'Pub candidates attempt an under-the-table handy on Trump while feigning public indifference towards him at the same time. They should give him back his Twitter account in the run-up to 2022 for this reason alone. ?
 
thavoice said:
I have been saying this for a long, long time.

Contested elections are generally won by the side that is most fed up with the other and not so much in support of their own candidate.

Hatred of the the opponent > likeability of the other.

"Let sleeping dogs lie".

Trump lost because his rhetoric pissed off too many on the other side.

This Virginia guy won because Republicans were fed up with how democrats are running things.

THAT is what gets people riled up enough to vote. Politics anymore is becoming a vote against a candidate, and not for one.
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that and the guy saying that Parents have NO rights to to say what should be taught to their children.....
 
BlueJayFan said:
I think your first point is what we're going to see a lot of new-ish Republicans do going forward. Some are already all-in, but all of the fresh faces and more moderate Republicans are going to try to do exactly what he did.

I look for Republicans to control the House by 10-20 seats after the midterms and control the Senate by a few seats, but can also see a dream scenario for Dems where they retain the 50-50 tie.
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And more GOP Govs.. The Dems will make the mistake of just doubling down on their liberalism ( socialism ), vax mandates, CRT, more spending bills. Slick Willy may have been immoral as hell but at least he was smart to change course and work with the GOP, something SJ and his handlers won't do because they have their agenda and the hell with Va., and NJ poll results.
 
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