Good & Not So Good Refs in Cincinnati

I think a suspension for this would be WAY out of line.
If either school thinks that an official has performed his/her job in a way that did not put the safety of the players first, then a report can be filed by the school.

I am pretty sure that all of St. X's games are recorded by Waycross Community Media (I could be wrong). If this game was taped, then the tape could be reviewed. If anything was considered to be done wrong by the official, this could be used as a learning experience.

Also, whether fans want to agree or not, usually the ref that you have doing the middle on a St. X game is a very good ref. The assignors for the GCL don't just put a warm body out there to do a game. So suspending an official for something like this would be way out of line.

So you believe that play should be started back up when a kid is receiving medical attention on the sideline! Sorry, I don't buy it. All kids receiving treatment should be back at the bench or completely away from the field before play is resumed.

As far as the GCL, I only saw one GCL game but the crew at X that night couldn't hold a candle to the outstanding officials I've seen this year in the GMC! The GMC has done a great job with their officials this year. That crew on Saturday night was not very good and I would not have appreciated my kid getting a ball in the head or having a kid fall on him AFTER he had just gone into the wall!
 
I can't say anything for what happened in this game because there are a lot of other variables that could have lead to the officials decision.

I can say this though:
I do sometimes mention to players in the pre-game speach that 10 yards is mandatory and actions like what is mentioned will not be tolerated. That is the warning for all players, so if it is done, they won't be surprised if they do receive a caution.
If a player blatently steps in front of a ball (I mean RIGHT in front of the ball) where it is obvious that he is trying to stop a fast restart, by rule a caution should be given. Again, there are different variables that would be taken into consideration by the official on how this is handled. The same goes with playing the ball away after a foul has been called.

In the example given above for the FT/IH game, the official certainly has the ability to stop the clock or add time to the clock. But again, there are many different variables that would go into the decision making on that play.

Sorry if this is not the answer that you were looking for.
I do agree with you though that something COULD have been done, but it is to the judgement of the referee on how the situation is handled.

Soref is absolutely correct on this. There are many variables that play into both scenarios. I, personally, tend to not say anything about the 10 yard rule in the pregame because it IS known that 10 yards are automatic. Anytime someone is within the 10 yards right away, it is most likely their intention to stall play. However, depending on the flow of the match, and at what point the match is in at the time, a verbal caution is all that's necessary. In your scenario, a documented caution with a stoppage of the clock was well warranted. You are also correct with the fact that the official's comments were unnecessary. He/she has no right to predict what could possibly happen.

I cautioned a girl last night for playing the ball after the whistle was blown, but this was because it was the second time I had to tell her. Normally, I just give the verbal caution and it doesn't happen again.
 
So you believe that play should be started back up when a kid is receiving medical attention on the sideline! Sorry, I don't buy it. All kids receiving treatment should be back at the bench or completely away from the field before play is resumed.

As far as the GCL, I only saw one GCL game but the crew at X that night couldn't hold a candle to the outstanding officials I've seen this year in the GMC! The GMC has done a great job with their officials this year. That crew on Saturday night was not very good and I would not have appreciated my kid getting a ball in the head or having a kid fall on him AFTER he had just gone into the wall!

I don't think Soref is saying that play should have been restarted with the kid still down on the sideline. Then again, I don't know, especially because I don't know exactly where this was on the sideline. I, personally, would attend to the player and check with the trainer and coaches to see the severity of the injury. If it was mild enough as to where the trainers could do there job without the player being a distraction to the game, why not continue play? If the severity is unknown at the time, there is no reason then why play should NOT be halted until order is restored with the injury. The clock has stopped at this point, so it's not as if time is being wasted. Play can resume once everything checks out ok, even if the player is still over at the sideline, away from any further threat of danger.
 
So you believe that play should be started back up when a kid is receiving medical attention on the sideline! Sorry, I don't buy it. All kids receiving treatment should be back at the bench or completely away from the field before play is resumed.

As far as the GCL, I only saw one GCL game but the crew at X that night couldn't hold a candle to the outstanding officials I've seen this year in the GMC! The GMC has done a great job with their officials this year. That crew on Saturday night was not very good and I would not have appreciated my kid getting a ball in the head or having a kid fall on him AFTER he had just gone into the wall!

I am not saying that in that scenario play should have been restarted, because I don't know of everything that was going on.
Have I started play with a player off the side of the field receiving medical attention? Yes, I have. As long as a player is out of the field of play and not in an area that would put him/herself or any other players in a dangerous situation play can be restarted.
Again, it all depends on the situation and where it is being taken place.

As to the comment about GMC/GCL officials, they really can't be compared.
The reason being, most officials do games in all leagues.
The reason that I made the comment that I did was because I know that the assignor for the GCL always puts good officials on matches that is known to be an intense or difficult match.
Whether it is your opinion that they were "good" or not, is exactly that; your opinion.
You also can't stereotype a group of people (GCL officials) by witnessing one GCL match.
 
I am pretty sure that all of St. X's games are recorded by Waycross Community Media (I could be wrong).

Waycross can't cover all the games. Only two regular season games are scheduled for X Men's Soccer. Alter which is available on the www.waycross.tv site now and the LaSalle game coming up in October. Those that are not familiar with the X soccer field can look at the Alter game on line to see just how close the side lines are to the wall and fences!
 
WX - How long will games be available for online viewing once they are on the website? Will the IH - FT game be available soon as well? Not sure if you guys were there or not....
 
We were not at the FT/IH game. The men's games we were at for Finneytown were vs Northwest and Walnut Hills (or as the 8th grade graphics guy/director had it for the reserve game... Wallnut hils). Both are on line now.

Finneytown, Winton Woods and St. X tournament soccer will be covered starting with Sectional Finals whenever possible.

On tap for TV coverage

10/8 Northwest @ Winton Woods HS Men's Var. Soccer (no reserve team at WW by Coaches' choice)
10/13 LaSalle @ St. Xavier HS Men's Res. Soccer
10/13 LaSalle @ St. Xavier HS Men's Var. Soccer

As to how long the games stay on the system, right now everything is up in the air. However if you want to capture the stream and keep it on your system, do the following:

Download a freeware program called VLC Media Player and install it on your system.

Find the .wmv name to the embedded stream on the Waycross site. Do this by opening the page on the Waycross site and view the source code (click VIEW then Source) run a word search for .wmv and you will get something like http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT 16019.WMV (this is the Taylor @ Fin. Football game from Friday)

Open VLC Media Player - Click file "wizard"

Follow the prompts and enter the wmv URL you want. It does it in real time so be prepared for it to take a couple of hours.
 
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East versus Loveland

I thought the CR for this game did an outstanding job. His mechanics were flawless -- more than once, he let advantage continue and at the next stoppage, handed out a YC or RC. I know the East parents were upset because one of their players caught an inadvertent elbow (resulting in a bloodied face) in the 73rd minute right before Loveland scored the winning goal... It was a highly charged game and the CR did a good job in controlling emotions and stayed up with the run of play in what was a track meet at times.
 
not to bring this thread back or anything but the refs for the colerain x game were basically the worst refs i have ever had and i have been playing for 15 years. the AR gave colerain a pk on a play where a guy on our team jumps up for a header and the colerain guy bends over so it looks like he jumped over him. the center ref then acts like he called it when in fact he thought the AR was calling offsides. overall st x possessed the ball for basically 75% of the game and about 15 more shots then colerain but lose 1-0 because a ref has no idea what he is doing.:shrug:
 
That game is lost somewhere on the Waycross web site. The call that resulted in the Colerain penalty kick was, at first glance okay, (I was only half paying attention) but in replay it is clear that the Colerain player backed into the St. X defensive man. The st. X defender jumped straight up and the colerain man backed into him causing what looked like a jumping over the back if you only caught the tail end.


www.waycross.tv (once it is fixed AGAIN!)
http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT 16083.wmv for now
 
After reading some of the excerpts from previous posts I had to join. Some of the comments are right on and some are not. I played soccer at the Div II level for the University of Tampa, I have coached at a school that has won two OHSAA state championships, and now I am a referee. I became a referee soley because there were to many officials that "couldn't keep up".

I thought that being a referee would be easy since I had the experience of being a player and then coaching at the high school level. I WAS WRONG!! Being an official is one of the hardest, but most enjoyable, jobs that I have ever had. Note that I said job. I look at being a referee as a job. I want to be the best or strive to be. Am I going to make mistakes in the eyes of the coaches, fans, etc.? You bet. The one thing that I have learned since being an official is that consistency is very, very important. The players and coaches need to adjust their thinking to the way the game is being called.

Some officials call a game very close and others let it become rugby. I try to stay in the middle, unless I have had the teams previously and they have demonstrated to me that they can't handle a game that is officiated loosely.

In any sport, it is always in the opinion of the referee. It happens in basketball, football, and soccer. Coaches and players know when an official shows up what kind of game they can expect to be called.

I will touch on one more subject and then quit until further posts. The OHSAA is big on respecting the game. We as officials are required to read a card about sportsmanship before every game and are required to check shinquards and other things. The sportsmanship card is, to me, a big joke. Once the players reach the sideline after the pregame speech, sportsmanship usually goes out the window. Respecting the game is about respecting all aspects of the game. Players, Coaching, and Officials, and the Laws of the Game. I knew when I became an official that being yelled at is part of the job. However, I do not need to be made an example of, or be shown up. If any player or coach asks me in a "respectful" manner, I will do my best to give him an answer. The problem is that when I give a player or coach the answer and they don't like it they continue to scream and be beligerent. When it comes to judgement calls it is all up to the discretion of the center official. If a CR doesn't know the rule or is giving the wrong interpretation to a coach or player than the official should be "coached" as well. Just because I am an official doesn't give the green light to all that are in attendance to scream and yell for the entire game. I have never seen an official change a call because a coach said he should. I have seen a call changed after conferring with the other official or officials involved in the game.

The last point and then I will quit. The shinguard rule. It in my opinion that this is absurd. If a kid wants to wear a shinguard that only covers a portion of his shin, then so be it. However, I as an official I work for the OHSAA not the schools, players, and coaches. If my boss tells me to enforce one of the rules, than I will. The problem again is consistency. Some games players will be made to change and others they will not. If you continually do something that you boss tells you not to do, you will eventually get fired.

As an official, I strive to be the best. I am glad this is posted and have read the comments, both good and bad, and will take them accordingly. It is easy to complain and be angry, but remember until you are a referee and have walked in those shoes it is hard to judge fairly.
 
Soref is absolutely correct on this. There are many variables that play into both scenarios. I, personally, tend to not say anything about the 10 yard rule in the pregame because it IS known that 10 yards are automatic. Anytime someone is within the 10 yards right away, it is most likely their intention to stall play. However, depending on the flow of the match, and at what point the match is in at the time, a verbal caution is all that's necessary. In your scenario, a documented caution with a stoppage of the clock was well warranted. You are also correct with the fact that the official's comments were unnecessary. He/she has no right to predict what could possibly happen.

I cautioned a girl last night for playing the ball after the whistle was blown, but this was because it was the second time I had to tell her. Normally, I just give the verbal caution and it doesn't happen again.

When I was a player I would make the ref back me up 10 yards every time. I was a very physical, shoulder to shoulder player that tried to push the buttons of the other team (I never played in HS so don't try to pick me out). If they didn't ask for 10 yards I didn't give it to them. I also took very small steps when the ref told me to move back, if he wants me to move back a certain distance he can tell me to move back that distance. The other thing you have to do is step forward when the opposing team member starts his run.

As a referee I didn't grant 10 yards unless the player asked for it. I know it's a rule, but if they really want it they'll ask for it. Again, I know that you're going to take 1 inch steps if I tell you to take X steps back, so I say give me 2 yards or however much.

But hey, I guess I'm different then most. If you don't appreciate the rule you don't deserve the 10 yards, therefore if you don't ask for it you don't get it.
 
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When I was a player I would make the ref back me up 10 yards every time. I was a very physical, shoulder to shoulder player that tried to push the buttons of the other team (I never played in HS so don't try to pick me out). If they didn't ask for 10 yards I didn't give it to them. I also took very small steps when the ref told me to move back, if he wants me to move back a certain distance he can tell me to move back that distance. The other thing you have to do is step forward when the opposing team member starts his run.

As a referee I didn't grant 10 yards unless the player asked for it. I know it's a rule, but if they really want it they'll ask for it. Again, I know that you're going to take 1 inch steps if I tell you to take X steps back, so I say give me 2 yards or however much.

But hey, I guess I'm different then most. If you don't appreciate the rule you don't deserve the 10 yards, therefore if you don't ask for it you don't get it.

See now, this is what drives many referees nuts. It's one thing to be 8+ yards away but to be less than 5 and only to give 10+ grudgingly?? That's an automatic yellow (or, could be). And, if you begin infringing before the kick, same thing. Again, the offensive team does not have to ask for 10, the defending team is required to give 10. I hope you realize that a team could attempt a quick restart with someone failing to give 10 yards and nail the kid in the face and the kid (who was struck) could be given a yellow and the kick retaken?? But hey, I understand teams/players doing this in dangerous areas where they want to be sure that they are setup defensively and realizing it could cost them a caution..
 
When I was a player I would make the ref back me up 10 yards every time. I was a very physical, shoulder to shoulder player that tried to push the buttons of the other team (I never played in HS so don't try to pick me out). If they didn't ask for 10 yards I didn't give it to them. I also took very small steps when the ref told me to move back, if he wants me to move back a certain distance he can tell me to move back that distance. The other thing you have to do is step forward when the opposing team member starts his run.

As a referee I didn't grant 10 yards unless the player asked for it. I know it's a rule, but if they really want it they'll ask for it. Again, I know that you're going to take 1 inch steps if I tell you to take X steps back, so I say give me 2 yards or however much.

But hey, I guess I'm different then most. If you don't appreciate the rule you don't deserve the 10 yards, therefore if you don't ask for it you don't get it.

Either way, it's a yellow card caution for Unsportsmanlike Conduct/Unsporting Behavior (delay of game or encroachment, depending on the situation).
 
I think it can go both ways. I don't think defensive players should be allowed on top of the ball. That is delay of game because the other team may want a quick restart. But as a player, I will walk 5-8 steps in front of the ball and I won't back up until told to do so if the ball is in good shooting distance. I will make the referee give me 10 yards b/c 10 yards is different to each ref (unless on a field marked with football lines obviously). Also, I will make the ref back me up so I can have the play start on his whistle so my goalie will not be caught off guard while setting the wall. So I don't think it is wrong for players to 5 yards back from the ball. Some crazy ref might take it as 10. Other refs make 10 yards turn into 15. Sad, yet true, some players don't know how far back 10 actually is unless they walked it off. It's somewhat subjective.
 
I think it can go both ways. I don't think defensive players should be allowed on top of the ball. That is delay of game because the other team may want a quick restart. But as a player, I will walk 5-8 steps in front of the ball and I won't back up until told to do so if the ball is in good shooting distance. I will make the referee give me 10 yards b/c 10 yards is different to each ref (unless on a field marked with football lines obviously). Also, I will make the ref back me up so I can have the play start on his whistle so my goalie will not be caught off guard while setting the wall. So I don't think it is wrong for players to 5 yards back from the ball. Some crazy ref might take it as 10. Other refs make 10 yards turn into 15. Sad, yet true, some players don't know how far back 10 actually is unless they walked it off. It's somewhat subjective.

You can tell the difference between a player who just sets up away from the ball thinking that they are far enough and the player who is deliberatly keeping the play from a restart by standing in front of the ball.
 
Yes you can. That's why I'm saying no player should ever give an automatic ten yards right off the bat because the ref might let them get away with 8. You never know. Cardable offenses on restarts are obvious one's I think.
 
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