LOL You mean like your bogus population per division post? That was a real gem.
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Dynasties - Power Rating
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LOL You mean like your bogus population per division post? That was a real gem.
Surprised to see Elder that high
Strength of schedule.
Pied: The last five years; Ming is out.
Fair enough, give me Kim Jong Il and his pop.
OK, found them. They are #86. Three time FL state Champs, 04/05/06 The last two which someone crowned them National Champs.
So, you have a legetimate best team in the Nation 2/5 years, one of the others they still won the FL state title. They spread out six losses over fuve years and the following teams are ranked ahead of them?
47-15 Brentwood TN
46-19 Converse Jusdon
53-13 Copperas Cove
52-14 Mount Carmel IL
Ok, debate Lakeland in the top ten, fine. Is there anyone that wants to defend those four, or the ones I mentioned in the last post as having a better five year run than the Dreadnaughts?
Neither computer model (Freeman nor Massey) gives enough respect to Florida. In the years when a few human polls put Lakeland #1 the computers hardly had them in the top 20. Same thing happened to MNW in 2007. The reason is that Florida's top teams are often spread between 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A. Therefore, even state champs don't generate a tough enough strength of schedule to get a top power rating.
The opposite happens to teams like Converse Judson and Elder. The computers respect them due to their tough schedules.
consumerman
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Neither computer model (Freeman nor Massey) gives enough respect to Florida. In the years when a few human polls put Lakeland #1 the computers hardly had them in the top 20. Same thing happened to MNW in 2007. The reason is that Florida's top teams are often spread between 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A. Therefore, even state champs don't generate a tough enough strength of schedule to get a top power rating.
too bad they dont split their top division into halves like texas does
too bad they dont split their top division into halves like texas does
Or into about 100 sections like California.
I think Elwood is mad because my team is ranked above his team.
Look on the bright side . . . your team is closing the gap from the same ranking last year.
Nah, doesn't bother me. Every ranking has to have it's Britney Spears. Any "dynasty" ranking that excludes the extraordinary accomplishments of storied programs like Valdosta and Moeller is self-incriminating.
I just hope that SLC doesn't now go and shave their head and flash the beav.
consumerman
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Or into about 100 sections like California.
you are the one degrading florida
look in the mirror first
they have different divisions yes
texas has different divisions then SPLITS their top division
worse than florida
consumerman
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Nah, doesn't bother me. Every ranking has to have it's Britney Spears. Any "dynasty" ranking that excludes the extraordinary accomplishments of storied programs like Valdosta and Moeller is self-incriminating.
I just hope that SLC doesn't now go and shave their head and flash the beav.
dynasty is a pretty stupid word for a 5 year period
you are the one degrading florida
look in the mirror first
they have different divisions yes
texas has different divisions then SPLITS their top division
worse than florida
Come on Consumerman. Read what I posted. I didn't degrade anybody. I just stated the facts and how the computer models work. I don't think you grasped what I posted.
dynasty is a pretty stupid word for a 5 year period
lets talk about lakeland. Dynasty is something Coach Castle has built for over 30 years in a public high school. located in a state where private schools compete with public(unlike texas) in state where the titles at the top are not split up in away. Yet the man has beaten the top private school in the state and has a 4-1 record against them.
To have the most florida big school titles. be one of the most winningest coaches in florida. Numerous district titles and state titles, gods amount of playoffs showings and playoff wins. Never losing in the state game and two straight national titles. 54 Consective wins. 60 Straight regular season wins. Never having a losing season for over 30 years. 2005 National coach of the year and The just crowned coach of the century by the Florida High School Athletic Association.
District Champs: 1979,1980 ,1982 ,1983, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2004,2005,2006.
State Champs: 192?(no state game then),1986,1996,1999,2004,
2005,2006
National Champs:2005,2006
All that and no where near a top25 rating. BULLLLSh!t
#86 ahhhhhhhhhhh. What such a worthy place for Florida's most dominate football program in history.
lets talk about lakeland. Dynasty is something Coach Castle has built for over 30 years in a public high school. located in a state where private schools compete with public(unlike texas) in state where the titles at the top are not split up in away. Yet the man has beaten the top private school in the state and has a 4-1 record against them.
To have the most florida big school titles. be one of the most winningest coaches in florida. Numerous district titles and state titles, gods amount of playoffs showings and playoff wins. Never losing in the state game and two straight national titles. 54 Consective wins. 60 Straight regular season wins. Never having a losing season for over 30 years. 2005 National coach of the year and The just crowned coach of the century by the Florida High School Athletic Association.
District Champs: 1979,1980 ,1982 ,1983, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001,2004,2005,2006.
State Champs: 192?(no state game then),1986,1996,1999,2004,
2005,2006
National Champs:2005,2006
All that and no where near a top25 rating. BULLLLSh!t
#86 ahhhhhhhhhhh. What such a worthy place for Florida's most dominate football program in history.
A couple of the points you make need some clarification because they are misleading.
1. In Texas the BEST privates DO compete with the publics. They are "average" at best compared to the publics. Unlike Florida, Ohio and California there are no (or very, very, very few) great football teams at Texas private schools.
2. The top teams in Florida ARE split up. They are split up between 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A. Check the top 5 teams in Florida for each of the last 5 years. You will see that they are split up into 4-5 classifications every year.
3. Lakeland's claim of a national title in 2005 is somewhat weak because it rejects most of the polls. If all of the polls are used Lakeland ranked 8th in the nation. If ONLY the human polls are used Lakeland ranked 3rd.
4. The dynasty ratings in this thread are NOT all-time dynasties. They are Freeman power ratings for the last 5 years. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is another thread for all-time dynasties.
5. I'm not saying it's right, but Lakeland doesn't generate a high computer power ranking because it's strengh of schedule is lower (average over the last 5 years) partially due to #2 above.
A couple of the points you make need some clarification because they are misleading.
1. In Texas the BEST privates DO compete with the publics. They are "average" at best compared to the publics. Unlike Florida, Ohio and California there are no (or very, very, very few) great football teams at Texas private schools.
2. The top teams in Florida ARE split up. They are split up between 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A. Check the top 5 teams in Florida for each of the last 5 years. You will see that they are split up into 4-5 classifications every year.
3. Lakeland's claim of a national title in 2005 is somewhat weak because it rejects most of the polls. If all of the polls are used Lakeland ranked 8th in the nation. If ONLY the human polls are used Lakeland ranked 3rd.
4. The dynasty ratings in this thread are NOT all-time dynasties. They are Freeman power ratings for the last 5 years. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is another thread for all-time dynasties.
5. I'm not saying it's right, but Lakeland doesn't generate a high computer power ranking because it's strengh of schedule is lower (average over the last 5 years) partially due to #2 above.
Talk about misleading, to clarify the part in bold, there are TWO private schools that compete with the publics in TX. They were the two biggest schools. Seems to me a stretch to say that the best DO compete with the public schools.
It would be more accurate to stick with the last statement that there are no great football teams at Texas private schools.
A couple of the points you make need some clarification because they are misleading.
1. In Texas the BEST privates DO compete with the publics. They are "average" at best compared to the publics. Unlike Florida, Ohio and California there are no (or very, very, very few) great football teams at Texas private schools.
2. The top teams in Florida ARE split up. They are split up between 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A. Check the top 5 teams in Florida for each of the last 5 years. You will see that they are split up into 4-5 classifications every year.
3. Lakeland's claim of a national title in 2005 is somewhat weak because it rejects most of the polls. If all of the polls are used Lakeland ranked 8th in the nation. If ONLY the human polls are used Lakeland ranked 3rd.
4. The dynasty ratings in this thread are NOT all-time dynasties. They are Freeman power ratings for the last 5 years. Nothing more. Nothing less. There is another thread for all-time dynasties.
5. I'm not saying it's right, but Lakeland doesn't generate a high computer power ranking because it's strengh of schedule is lower (average over the last 5 years) partially due to #2 above.
1. False. Show me. They do not compete with publics in texas. And if they do(which i dont think is true) who cares that they are not that good. Point is in florida many good private football teams exist. And lakeland has beat the best of the private schools and has a 4-1 record against them.
2. Who cares? So what the best teams are split up. Point blank STA and Lakeland have been florida for the last 4 years. Lakeland has beaten them 3 times in that span two times by a very large amount.
3. Guess what SLC's claim of a national title in 2006 is somewhat weak. Lakeland ranked #1 not including calpreps. SLC ranked#2 not including calpreps. So right back at ya.
4. Again Who cares? This is showing how dumb the calpreps ratings are and since you knock on lakeland lets talk about how carroll had one of best districts in either 2006 or 2005. And yet only two teams in the district had beaten teams that had a winning record.
5.Again they say dynasty how can lakeland not be one of top dynasties of the last 5 years.
So all in all this is not a dynasty list at all. This is a list of who had the highest rating the last 5 years a la calpreps jacked up computer ratings.
Lets not get into the Lakeland vs. SLC thing. That is getting kind of old. I mean lakeland knows every team basically hates them around the country. St.X still boast taking the worst team of the streak to over time(to bad another team did the same exact thing and others almost beat them but none got the job done) and i really dont want to have people have to read your freeman ratings/calpreps/maxpreps numbers or whatever your calling them these days.
And considering that in my first post SLC was not ever mentioned. That shows how much you must want to be a dreadnaught. That from that post the first thing you do is start throwing out your bs about how much better SLC is then lakeland. That is getting old.
5.Again they say dynasty how can lakeland not be one of top dynasties of the last 5 years.
So all in all this is not a dynasty list at all. This is a list of who had the highest rating the last 5 years a la calpreps jacked up computer ratings.
Hard to argue these two points in my opinion.
1. False. Show me. They do not compete with publics in texas. And if they do(which i dont think is true) who cares that they are not that good. Point is in florida many good private football teams exist. And lakeland has beat the best of the private schools and has a 4-1 record against them.
LOL Please name ONE good private football program in Texas that doesn't compete with the publics! You don't know what you are talking about.
2. Who cares? So what the best teams are split up. Point blank STA and Lakeland have been florida for the last 4 years. Lakeland has beaten them 3 times in that span two times by a very large amount.
Who cares? Really? At least you admit that the top Florida teams are split up. THAT is exactly why the top Florida teams don't generate a tough SOS in the computer models. That is why Lakeland's schedule doesn't get respect in the models.
3. Guess what SLC's claim of a national title in 2006 is somewhat weak. Lakeland ranked #1 not including calpreps. SLC ranked#2 not including calpreps. So right back at ya.
You changed the subject. The point is Lakeland's claim in 2005 is very weak. That's a fact no matter how you slice it. I agree, in 2006 SLC and Lakeland can both claim titles equally BUT I posted about Lakeland's claim in 2005.
5.Again they say dynasty how can lakeland not be one of top dynasties of the last 5 years.
Because Lakeland doesn't generate the SOS required for a top power rating. That's how the models work. Lakeland's schedule is weaker than most of the top teams.
So all in all this is not a dynasty list at all. This is a list of who had the highest rating the last 5 years a la calpreps jacked up computer ratings.
The list is what is it. No more. No less.
Lets not get into the Lakeland vs. SLC thing. That is getting kind of old.
LOL YOU started the Lakeland vs. SLC thing. Not me. I said nothing about SLC to you. LOL
I mean lakeland knows every team basically hates them around the country.
Come on. That statement is goofy. Name ONE team that hates Lakeland.
And considering that in my first post SLC was not ever mentioned. That shows how much you must want to be a dreadnaught. That from that post the first thing you do is start throwing out your bs about how much better SLC is then lakeland. That is getting old.
LOL Please show me where I said SLC is better than Lakeland in this thread. it is YOU who made the SLC vs. Lakeland comparison. I didn't. LOL
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So all in all this is not a dynasty list at all. This is a list of who had the highest rating the last 5 years a la calpreps jacked up computer ratings.
The list is what is it. No more. No less.
SLCDad-where would Lakeland rank on your Dynasty of the past 5 year rankings?
Talk about misleading, to clarify the part in bold, there are TWO private schools that compete with the publics in TX. They were the two biggest schools. Seems to me a stretch to say that the best DO compete with the public schools.
It would be more accurate to stick with the last statement that there are no great football teams at Texas private schools.
Either way the point is the same. Naughty was attempting to say the Texas publics get a break because they don't have to play the privates. He is dead wrong.
None of the privates would contend for a state football title in Texas. Few would even make the playoffs.
Either way the point is the same. Naughty was attempting to say the Texas publics get a break because they don't have to play the privates. He is dead wrong.
None of the privates would contend for a state football title in Texas. Few would even make the playoffs.
I don't read it that way. To me you two are saying the same thing.
Good Texas teams do not have to compete w/good private teams, because there aren't any.
This is not a dynasties list so don't call it one. This is a list of the top calpreps computer ratings over the last 5 years. How does that add up to dynasty. Because any real High School Football Fans know that when you mention dynasty over the last five years teams like.
Warren Central
Southlake Carroll
Hoover Alabama
Independece
St.Xavier
Duncan Byrnes
and Lakeland,Florida
Come to mind.
Be we all know
The Montgomery Bell Academy
Brentwood Academy
Newhall Hart
Allen Texas
Vestavia Hills and
Archbishop Moeller
have all had better runs over the last 5 years.
Warren Central
Southlake Carroll
Hoover Alabama
Independece
St.Xavier
Duncan Byrnes
and Lakeland,Florida
Come to mind.
Be we all know
The Montgomery Bell Academy
Brentwood Academy
Newhall Hart
Allen Texas
Vestavia Hills and
Archbishop Moeller
have all had better runs over the last 5 years.
Either way the point is the same. Naughty was attempting to say the Texas publics get a break because they don't have to play the privates. He is dead wrong.
None of the privates would contend for a state football title in Texas. Few would even make the playoffs.
No i didnt. I said they dont play them. Then i said lakeland has beaten one of the best privates the state has to offer 4 times only loss was at home in a sta come back win. Down grading i think not. Simply saying you don't play with privates. Every state does it different
This is not a dynasties list so don't call it one.
You'll have to take that up with Freeman/Calpreps. It's their list and they call it their dynasty list.
http://www.calpreps.com/2007/ratings/index.html#dynasty
Personally, I'd move Lakeland up.
No i didnt. I said they dont play them.
What was your point of saying this? Did you have a point? or just random irrelevant data?
"..5. I'm not saying it's right, but Lakeland doesn't generate a high computer power ranking because it's strengh of schedule is lower (average over the last 5 years) partially due to #2 above."
No, no, no. Lakeland's schedule strength, as measured by a bogus computer model, is weak. Were not talking reality here. We're talking bogus computer ratings. Let's make that perfectly clear.
No, no, no. Lakeland's schedule strength, as measured by a bogus computer model, is weak. Were not talking reality here. We're talking bogus computer ratings. Let's make that perfectly clear.
What was your point of saying this? Did you have a point? or just random irrelevant data?
Here is the point that I got out of it, and I think most readers did as well.
Texas public HS teams do not have to face private schools who play at the same level as they do. Schools in other states have to play good programs that Texas simply does not have.
Lakeland has played them and beaten them regularly to win the 5A title. I really did not think it was that difficult of a point.