Dayton City League expanding.

[footballsalads43]

I'd actually put good odds on making travel a little easier for Defiance/Ottawa and taking LB and Napoleon as a first option, but Greenville/Sidney/Tippecanoe are solid options as well. Certainly would be terrible for us up here in Defiance but there's definitely a lack other mid sized schools in the region.

I wish there were more schools like Lima and Trotwood that could team up. They're too alike to not be together.

If Lima does get booted from the Toledo City they could join the Dayton City with Trotwood. Lima to Toledo or Dayton is almost equal distance. Lima and Trotwood are perfect league mates, I agree completely on that. Liberty Benton and Napoleon seems like good WBL fits to me. But the WBL is so stable and I just don't see anyone leaving anytime soon, so expansion to 12 is 100% their next best option. If they do expand, I think a North/south division will 100% be the move, with 2 mandatory crossovers. Would also be fun to see the schools play 3 OOC games instead of 1

 

[footballsalads43]

Seriously? Bellefontaine to Massie is a good 1:45 by bus.

Yeah, good point. I wasn't looking at a map when I wrote that post lol and I always forget where some of the places actually are. But if Bellefontaine or Jonathan Alder ever left, CM and Wilmington would be good options, but that's still pushing it.

 

[*67]

Yes, I am well aware that they probably don't have any interest. It is just an idea, that will never happen. If the WBL wanted Lima they would have added them already. Lima will most likely stay with the Toledo schools and make it a long term home. Trotwood is going to have to join the Dayton City until a spot in the GWOC opens. I don't foresee the MVL wanting them.

If the WBL does want to add new members, I am sure they would contact the likes of maybe a Tippecanoe first. Maybe even Liberty-Benton.

talking about lima senior and trotwood in the wbl is about the same as asking what time the pigs will be flying out of the dayton airport. ain't gonna be happening. the wbl will be an 8 team league before it will ever be a 12 team league.

 

[footballsalads43]

talking about lima senior and trotwood in the wbl is about the same as asking what time the pigs will be flying out of the dayton airport. ain't gonna be happening. the wbl will be an 8 team league before it will ever be a 12 team league.

Look at my previous replies. Already mentioned that it ain’t happening, but it was just an IDEA that was discussed. Again, I don’t know the WBL well, but after looking at the league makeup yes, Lima and Trotwood don’t fit it. The more rural medium sized schools are better options for the leagues makeup.

Not going to say if they prefer to be 8 or 12, I don’t know the league like that. But if they can get 2 good members who fit I think 12 will make some sense.

 

[BigK72]

If Lima does get booted from the Toledo City they could join the Dayton City with Trotwood. Lima to Toledo or Dayton is almost equal distance. Lima and Trotwood are perfect league mates, I agree completely on that. Liberty Benton and Napoleon seems like good WBL fits to me. But the WBL is so stable and I just don't see anyone leaving anytime soon, so expansion to 12 is 100% their next best option. If they do expand, I think a North/south division will 100% be the move, with 2 mandatory crossovers. Would also be fun to see the schools play 3 OOC games instead of 1

And let's not forget that Lima was apart of the GMC for several years. If they can drive to Hamilton/Mason, they can drive to Dayton

 

[Spartan87]

Lima Senior will NEVER be a member of the WBL, even though we play many of the schools in various sports. The Spartans deal with the TCL is for four years, 3 years firm with an option for the fourth. I personally think the TCL shows us the gate. We've dominated the league since we have arrived, and word is the Toledo folks aren't too happy about it. As far as Dayton, if you don't have anywhere to go, can you really be choosy? Distance has never been an issue for us, as BigK72 said we were in the GMC, also go farther back to our old GOL days... Just hope we do find a league solution long term.

 

[footballsalads43]

It’s a weird dynamic. Every time I’m on 70west, past 270 on the west side, I tell myself “oh yeah I’m not too far from London” and then realize ‘ah crap that’s right it’s still far away.’

Setting aside that anecdote, yeah they’re unlike Marysville aren’t they?!

They should be toward their south, but Court House has been a train wreck since “thumbtack-gate” and the 2013 debacle further cemented that program into hell.

I think everyone on this thread has a better chance at receiving a loan from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at non-usurious interest levels than London has an opportunity to be seen as “equals” with Columbus metro schools, let alone in the arrangement you aptly describe.

Starting to sound like the old SCOL!

being from Clinton County, I sure do miss the SCOL! Too bad it fell apart.

 

[CedarBuck92]

I’m not sure there’s a move that can be made that fixes the CBC. I applaud Indian Lake and their run this year, but it doesn’t hid the fact that the Mad River is really bad. The MR is exhausted with the crossover games. Bethel going to the KT simply adds a body and the same for Greenon to the MR.

It was pretty much expected that Alder was going to be on a 4-5 skid and that is playing out. But next year they should start a run of having classes of 25-30 players. London is going to have good numbers. How is that going to play out with the rest of the league? It’s not.

Alder is in a terrible spot really. No mans land. They’ve really run their course in the CBC overall but can’t do the OCC yet. And the growth isn’t the absolute explosion some think it is. They are growing, but it’s at the lower grades. The 10-year projection had them adding about 350 students overall k-12. London will see growth because it’s cheaper living, similar to the way people are moving into the Teays Valley district.

Im not quite sure what the league is trying to do now and I don’t think they do either. If I am Graham, Northwestern, Indian Lake, North Union, Shawnee, Ben Logan, Urbana and Kenton Ridge I say see ya to the rest of the league and go about my business. Or a version very close to that. But I’d find a way to make an 8-team league and stop messing around the big/small. It doesn’t work.

Shawnee is also in a weird spot where they are currently in the MR but if all the housing developments end up getting built they could end up being a large DIII or even small D2 school within a few years.

 

[BeaverAchiever]

being from Clinton County, I sure do miss the SCOL! Too bad it fell apart.

Not sure the whole county feels that way though. I don't think they would've agreed to it at the time but if Wilmington would have jumped from the FAVC to the SBAAC before C-M left for the SCOL then all the Clinton County schools would have been in the same conference without all the headache and heartache of the SCOL. Or, maybe it would have worked better if the SCOL had two divisions based on size. Not sure they would ever have left the SBAAC, but at least then I think it would have been more feasible for Blan to go with the rest of them.

 

[footballsalads43]

Not sure the whole county feels that way though. I don't think they would've agreed to it at the time but if Wilmington would have jumped from the FAVC to the SBAAC before C-M left for the SCOL then all the Clinton County schools would have been in the same conference without all the headache and heartache of the SCOL. Or, maybe it would have worked better if the SCOL had two divisions based on size. Not sure they would ever have left the SBAAC, but at least then I think it would have been more feasible for Blan to go with the rest of them.

The SCOL eventual downfall was probably the size and competitive questionable fits of some of the teams (EC). Moreover, they wanted to get away from Wilmington (basketball at the time) and CM (football) where dominant forces.

If Wilmington would’ve went to the SBAAC before CM left in 2004 or 2005, the SCOL would most definitely be still standing probably to this day!

A 2 division SCOL could’ve saved the conference though. I can agree on that.

 

[RollingTrain]

Shawnee is also in a weird spot where they are currently in the MR but if all the housing developments end up getting built they could end up being a large DIII or even small D2 school within a few years.

A few years? That’s almost impossible. New housing developments rarely have an influx of older kids that change division enrollment. Alder is a great example and I can’t see them growing faster than the area in that district.

 

[BigK72]

A few years? That’s almost impossible. New housing developments rarely have an influx of older kids that change division enrollment. Alder is a great example and I can’t see them growing faster than the area in that district.

I don’t know Befhel (Tipp City) was DVI just 6 years ago. Now, they’re DIV for this very reason as well as OE.

 

[933York]

With Lima Sr.’s historical ties to Middletown and Hamilton, a league with the likes of Lima, Middletown, Trotwood, Hamilton, maybe Princeton and Fairfield would make a decent league set up. Moving forward, the GMC seems to be migrating towards the mega suburban schools with Mason and the Lakotas dominating in most sports. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GMC eventually hooks up with the likes of Centerville and Springboro leaving some of those industrial city GMC schools in the dust enrollment-wise.

 

[footballsalads43]

With Lima Sr.’s historical ties to Middletown and Hamilton, a league with the likes of Lima, Middletown, Trotwood, Hamilton, maybe Princeton and Fairfield would make a decent league set up. Moving forward, the GMC seems to be migrating towards the mega suburban schools with Mason and the Lakotas dominating in most sports. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GMC eventually hooks up with the likes of Centerville and Springboro leaving some of those industrial city GMC schools in the dust enrollment-wise.

I know travel is a thing, but Springfield would be a perfect league mate as well with Lima, Middletown, Trotwood, Colerain and etc.

 

[CedarBuck92]

A few years? That’s almost impossible. New housing developments rarely have an influx of older kids that change division enrollment. Alder is a great example and I can’t see them growing faster than the area in that district.

You are probably right that the timeframe is more extended than I stated. But they still remain in that weird spot enrollment wise.

 

[Dro24]

Apparently Jefferson Twp is in and talks with Trotwood-Madison are ongoing. Add in the idea of adding football at Stivers the DCL might have eight teams.

Today I learned that Jefferson Township still exists, good for them. I remember hearing the rumor that they were shutting down back when I was still in school.

 

[Bruce Monnin]

Dayton Jefferson is one of my favorite football memories. Our local team was playing them and it was Jefferson's Homecoming. There was quite a crowd at the game. At halftime, several limos drove on the field, and the band started playing and the crowd left the stands and danced on the field. After halftime, most of the fans left the field and the game also, leaving almost no one behind in the home bleachers for the second half. Never saw anything like that before or since.

 

[Gamma Gobbler]

Dayton Jefferson is one of my favorite football memories. Our local team was playing them and it was Jefferson's Homecoming. There was quite a crowd at the game. At halftime, several limos drove on the field, and the band started playing and the crowd left the stands and danced on the field. After halftime, most of the fans left the field and the game also, leaving almost no one behind in the home bleachers for the second half. Never saw anything like that before or since.

who was in the limos? Diddy? Lebron? "Ain't no party like a Diddy party"

 

[StateChampion2012]

I'm still surprised the state didn't shut Jefferson down yet

 

[Bruce Monnin]

who was in the limos? Diddy? Lebron? "Ain't no party like a Diddy party"

I think the Homecoming court.

 

[933York]

I know travel is a thing, but Springfield would be a perfect league mate as well with Lima, Middletown, Trotwood, Colerain and etc.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the GWOC eventually split up with the south Dayton schools heading the way of the GMC leaving schools like Springfield, Wayne, and Northmont to hook up with the likes of Middletown, Trotwood, and maybe Lima.

 

[footballsalads43]

I wouldn’t be shocked if the GWOC eventually split up with the south Dayton schools heading the way of the GMC leaving schools like Springfield, Wayne, and Northmont to hook up with the likes of Middletown, Trotwood, and maybe Lima.

Springboro, Centerville, Lebanon, Lakota E/W, Mason, Beavercreek are perfect league mates

 

[OldSchoolDC]

Springboro, Centerville, Lebanon, Lakota E/W, Mason, Beavercreek are perfect league mates

Maybe throw Fairmont Kettering in there for an 8 team league.

 

[BigK72]

I'm still surprised the state didn't shut Jefferson down yet

Same. I know I've said on here before that just a few years ago they had such a staff and student shortage that they were basically just having a giant study hall in the cafeteria for school each day. And the number of students present K-12 was at most 100 or just a pinch over.

 

[footballsalads43]

Maybe throw Fairmont Kettering in there for an 8 team league.

That would be a good 8 team league.

Wayne, Springfield, Middletown, Lima, Trotwood and Northmont would be a good basis for a 6 team league. If Colerain doesn’t mind travel this would be a perfect match for them.

Miamisburg would be a nice fit in either the SWBL or MVL.

 

[OldSchoolDC]

That would be a good 8 team league.

Wayne, Springfield, Middletown, Lima, Trotwood and Northmont would be a good basis for a 6 team league. If Colerain doesn’t mind travel this would be a perfect match for them.

Miamisburg would be a nice fit in either the SWBL or MVL.

I think Miamisburg would join the SWBL, location and number of sports offered plus SWBL adding Edgewood and Ross and natural rivalry with Franklin. I don't think there is any way Miamisburg would ever join the MVL.

 

[933York]

I think Miamisburg would join the SWBL, location and number of sports offered plus SWBL adding Edgewood and Ross and natural rivalry with Franklin. I don't think there is any way Miamisburg would ever join the MVL.

I don’t think Miamisburg will go anywhere without Springboro or Centerville. Those schools are all right next door to each other.

Springboro
Centerville
Miamisburg
Beavercreek
Fairmont
Mason
Lakota East
Lakota West
Lebanon
Sycamore

 

[D4fan]

I don’t know Befhel (Tipp City) was DVI just 6 years ago. Now, they’re DIV for this very reason as well as OE.

As far as pertains to Bethel, he is correct, most of the student load is k-6 when the new owners move into the new homes. They just got approved for 300 more acres and 1,000 more homes, so more new school buildings are already in the works.

 

[D4fan]

I'm still surprised the state didn't shut Jefferson down yet

YET being the key word. I thought last time I drove past the high school it was closed? Obviously must still have a few students and using a building or two.

 

[D4fan]

Not here to poop on Jefferson, and sounds like they are moving in the correct direction. Last year they had a combined total of 61 students in the jr/Sr high building. This year that number has jumped to 111. So last year that would have been around 10 per grade level and this year around 18. They also are the lowest performing school in the state of Ohio earning 1.5 out of 5 stars.

Got this info from a Sept 2024 Dayton Daily news article.