Dayton City League expanding.

 
I’m very late to the party, but overall these are both great moves.

Trotwood has already been pretty much their 6th Member in football since the GWOC booted them, and while they’ve been dominate in football, in all other sports this is by far their best competitive fit. In football they’ll need to continue to schedule a strong OOC schedule to get ready come tournament time. Maybe if the GWOC losses a member they can eventually add Trotwood back as a football only member and Dayton City all others? But they aren’t getting full membership to any of the other nearby leagues (GWOC, MVL or SWBL).

As for Jefferson Twp I’m sure they will be a competitive fit as well. They seemed to struggle mightly in football when they had a team, so if they do bring football back this will give them probably a decent shot at being somewhat competitive. I’m sure it’ll be the same story for all other sports.

If Stivers doesn’t get football and Jefferson doesn’t bring football back and the league wants to get to 8 members for football they should reach out to Cincinnati Northwest and Mt. Healthy and see if they would be interested in joining as football only members, especially if the CMAC Red won’t take them. This might be a wild guess or suggestion, but overall it could work in the leagues favor.
 
footballsalads43 said:
If Stivers doesn’t get football and Jefferson doesn’t bring football back and the league wants to get to 8 members for football they should reach out to Cincinnati Northwest and Mt. Healthy and see if they would be interested in joining as football only members, especially if the CMAC Red won’t take them. This might be a wild guess or suggestion, but overall it could work in the leagues favor.
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Not a bad idea. Don't forget Harrison. Also Northwest might have a "home" if and when they merge with Colerain. Travel might be an issue.
 
My question is...does the DPS have the money to afford two more teams? We are talking about a district that has not been that well managed over the years. I like T-M being there but really, they deserve better than what DPS offers. T-M fits better into the MVL and/or GWOC, though football is not the only sport on the table in doing so. Hell, they traveled to Cleveland for a game, maybe they could set the WBL on their ear....I know, I know, travel but.... I feel for the Rams, they have much to offer but shut out because of other sports and if the DPS is the way forward then DPS needs to step up and either realign schools or add to what T-M brings to the table....more thoughts than I can write to make sense. Also, remember Dayton Christian joined the SWBL

Ponitz was 1-9, scoring a total of 22 points this year and the only win was against Thurgood, which was 0-10 and scored 38 total points with 26 coming in a triple OT.

An expanded DPS leagues IS NOT an attractive league for anyone to join and adding Mt. Healthy and/or Northwest will only compound this issue of Dayton schools' competitiveness.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
My question is...does the DPS have the money to afford two more teams? We are talking about a district that has not been that well managed over the years. I like T-M being there but really, they deserve better than what DPS offers. T-M fits better into the MVL and/or GWOC, though football is not the only sport on the table in doing so. Hell, they traveled to Cleveland for a game, maybe they could set the WBL on their ear....I know, I know, travel but.... I feel for the Rams, they have much to offer but shut out because of other sports and if the DPS is the way forward then DPS needs to step up and either realign schools or add to what T-M brings to the table....more thoughts than I can write to make sense. Also, remember Dayton Christian joined the SWBL

Ponitz was 1-9, scoring a total of 22 points this year and the only win was against Thurgood, which was 0-10 and scored 38 total points with 26 coming in a triple OT.

An expanded DPS leagues IS NOT an attractive league for anyone to join and adding Mt. Healthy and/or Northwest will only compound this issue of Dayton schools' competitiveness.
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I unfortunately think as well that T-M is kind of SOL on leagues outside of Dayton City Leagues. They 100% got screwed with the falling out of the GWOC and the MVL being formed, but they committed the cardinal sin in Ohio when it comes to conference alignment. They were good at the $$ sports and not good at the non money sports. Them being good at football and basketball left them out of the MVL and them not being good at anything other than football and basketball is what ultimately got them booted From the GWOC.

I really think T-M needs to strive to get into another league as a football only member. If the GWOC ever does lose a member I think they need to get to T-M to take that 8th spot in football. However all other sports, the DPS teams are going to be their best competitive fits.

Ultimately though, I think an ideal scenario would be to form a league with schools who are similar to T-M. I think if travel allowed it Trotwood, Lima, Mt Healthy, Northwest, Colerain and Middletown would all be excellent league mates.
 
footballsalads43 said:
I unfortunately think as well that T-M is kind of SOL on leagues outside of Dayton City Leagues. They 100% got screwed with the falling out of the GWOC and the MVL being formed, but they committed the cardinal sin in Ohio when it comes to conference alignment. They were good at the $$ sports and not good at the non money sports. Them being good at football and basketball left them out of the MVL and them not being good at anything other than football and basketball is what ultimately got them booted From the GWOC.

I really think T-M needs to strive to get into another league as a football only member. If the GWOC ever does lose a member I think they need to get to T-M to take that 8th spot in football. However all other sports, the DPS teams are going to be their best competitive fits.

Ultimately though, I think an ideal scenario would be to form a league with schools who are similar to T-M. I think if travel allowed it Trotwood, Lima, Mt Healthy, Northwest, Colerain and Middletown would all be excellent league mates.
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I am tracking and its sad to see TM needing DPS to fill a schedule.

I know it is easy to look south but looking north into a WBL alignment should not be excused. Hell, if were the CBC, I would entertain them for football only. That would bring some credibility to the conference and break up the London dominance.

As it stands, DPS is way subpar and bringing in more or better does not solve their problem, it only makes it bigger and more susceptible to dissolve when the grass is greener for the better schools.
 
footballsalads43 said:
The WBL seems to be one of the most stable leagues in the state, unless someone like Defiance or Bath are trying to get out? But overall the WBL wouldn’t be a terrible idea for Trotwood or Lima. Would they split it into two? I think Wapak could use the competition and would be open to it. As for the CBC I know almost next to nothing about it except for the fact that London is in it, and I only found that out this year when I started to get back into SW football. What happened to the conference that London was in with Circleville, Whitehall and etc? I must’ve missed them leaving that. Also what about the SWBL for football only? They could add Harrison as a full time member and Trotwood as football only to get to 8 big and 8 small for football.
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London came into the CBC 2019 following Jon Alder and North Union. This after Tipp City and Stebbins ran for the MVL greener grass. Oddly, London was in the CBC many, many, many years ago. cbcsportsonline.com will give you a breakdown of the teams and past records, games, etc since 2007.

Dayton Christian is entering into the SWBL and there have been other teams moving in and out over the past several years, so the SWBL seems open to expansion but I am afraid that is on their terms, only. I love the SWBL...always fun to banter with the fans, great competition but really, they are a top conference in the area and if a school is wanting to enter, it probably needs more than offering FB and BB...though I am still confused with DC coming in. Yet, TM would be good for them and would keep the Southwestern Division honest, lol.

Yes, the WBL is solid and I don't see any movement but if I were the TM AD, I would be looking anywhere and everywhere to better the cause and unfortunately DPS ain't it yet leaves him with few options. TM has much to offer, though it may be FB only or BB only, or both to align into a conference. They would make the WBL better in those sports.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
I am tracking and its sad to see TM needing DPS to fill a schedule.

I know it is easy to look south but looking north into a WBL alignment should not be excused. Hell, if were the CBC, I would entertain them for football only. That would bring some credibility to the conference and break up the London dominance.

As it stands, DPS is way subpar and bringing in more or better does not solve their problem, it only makes it bigger and more susceptible to dissolve when the grass is greener for the better schools.
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Oh good lord…the CBC wants Bethel and Greenon. Trotwood would be an absolute disaster.
 
RollingTrain said:
Oh good lord…the CBC wants Bethel and Greenon. Trotwood would be an absolute disaster.
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Yeah, yeah, you are correct but just trying to look out for TM in a spit balling. Even if they played in the Toddler Division, it is better than DPS with Ponitz, Thurgood, Meadowdale, Belmont. Hell, Alter and Shawnee even dropped Thurgood. I guess I boils down to TM being between a rock and hard place and IMO expanding the DPS does not solve that problem for anyone.

Then when I hear about the CBC, there may be more to it than just Greenon and Bethel coming in.
 
We all know the WBL isn't expanding. No reason to. No one's leaving at this time. Even in a hypothetical where a spot opened up, Trotwood-Madison would not even crack the top 10 of preferred candidates. That's no disrespect to Trotwood. I have a soft spot for Lima Senior and Trotwood-Madison who have basically been abandoned in terms of stable league membership, however, that's not the WBL's responsibility to fix.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
Yeah, yeah, you are correct but just trying to look out for TM in a spit balling. Even if they played in the Toddler Division, it is better than DPS with Ponitz, Thurgood, Meadowdale, Belmont. Hell, Alter and Shawnee even dropped Thurgood. I guess I boils down to TM being between a rock and hard place and IMO expanding the DPS does not solve that problem for anyone.

Then when I hear about the CBC, there may be more to it than just Greenon and Bethel coming in.
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I’m not sure there’s a move that can be made that fixes the CBC. I applaud Indian Lake and their run this year, but it doesn’t hid the fact that the Mad River is really bad. The MR is exhausted with the crossover games. Bethel going to the KT simply adds a body and the same for Greenon to the MR.

It was pretty much expected that Alder was going to be on a 4-5 skid and that is playing out. But next year they should start a run of having classes of 25-30 players. London is going to have good numbers. How is that going to play out with the rest of the league? It’s not.

Alder is in a terrible spot really. No mans land. They’ve really run their course in the CBC overall but can’t do the OCC yet. And the growth isn’t the absolute explosion some think it is. They are growing, but it’s at the lower grades. The 10-year projection had them adding about 350 students overall k-12. London will see growth because it’s cheaper living, similar to the way people are moving into the Teays Valley district.

Im not quite sure what the league is trying to do now and I don’t think they do either. If I am Graham, Northwestern, Indian Lake, North Union, Shawnee, Ben Logan, Urbana and Kenton Ridge I say see ya to the rest of the league and go about my business. Or a version very close to that. But I’d find a way to make an 8-team league and stop messing around the big/small. It doesn’t work.
 
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London never fit in the MSL, and their arrangement was buns anyways.

I don’t know if London fits in the CBC or not, but leaving the MSL was 110% the correct call. That conference is an absolute trainwreck.
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Seems like from a Travel standpoint London is a great fit in the CBC. Size wise they seem to be a pretty decent fit as well
 
footballsalads43 said:
The WBL seems to be one of the most stable leagues in the state, unless someone like Defiance or Bath are trying to get out? But overall the WBL wouldn’t be a terrible idea for Trotwood or Lima. Would they split it into two? I think Wapak could use the competition and would be open to it. As for the CBC I know almost next to nothing about it except for the fact that London is in it, and I only found that out this year when I started to get back into SW football. What happened to the conference that London was in with Circleville, Whitehall and etc? I must’ve missed them leaving that. Also what about the SWBL for football only? They could add Harrison as a full time member and Trotwood as football only to get to 8 big and 8 small for football.
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WBL has zero interest in Lima and certainly wouldn't go all the way to Trotwood and add them lmao.

No one is looking to leave, but IF a Defiance to the NLL, Bath to NWC, or Kenton to CBC/N10/MOAC scenario happened, I'd put their most likely actions as

1 Try to talk another into leaving to stick with a solid 8.

2 Add Liberty-Benton, the easy add close by.

3 Talk to the northern D2/3 MVL teams (Greenville, Sidney)

4 Suck it up and add Lima Senior

5 Stick at 9
 
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London never fit in the MSL, and their arrangement was buns anyways.

I don’t know if London fits in the CBC or not, but leaving the MSL was 110% the correct call. That conference is an absolute trainwreck.
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London is probably where they should be IMO, with Urbana and Bellefontaine.

IMO they seem to fancy themselves as a “central Ohio” school but in terms of culture, demographics, size/growth (or lack thereof), etc. they need to be to their west (I.e. CBC) or to their south (I.e. FAC or former SCOL). I think it would be a huge mistake for them to jump into another Columbus area isle of misfits league as was the case with the MSL, and the only way I would personally leave the CBC would be if the FAC expanded to 8 or 10 with some mix of them, Wilmington, Circleville, and Logan Elm.
 
dhsdog06 said:
WBL has zero interest in Lima and certainly wouldn't go all the way to Trotwood and add them lmao.
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Yes, I am well aware that they probably don't have any interest. It is just an idea, that will never happen. If the WBL wanted Lima they would have added them already. Lima will most likely stay with the Toledo schools and make it a long term home. Trotwood is going to have to join the Dayton City until a spot in the GWOC opens. I don't foresee the MVL wanting them.

If the WBL does want to add new members, I am sure they would contact the likes of maybe a Tippecanoe first. Maybe even Liberty-Benton.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
London is probably where they should be IMO, with Urbana and Bellefontaine.

IMO they seem to fancy themselves as a “central Ohio” school but in terms of culture, demographics, size/growth (or lack thereof), etc. they need to be to their west (I.e. CBC) or to their south (I.e. FAC or former SCOL). I think it would be a huge mistake for them to jump into another Columbus area isle of misfits league as was the case with the MSL.
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I know this is off topic, but if Clinton-Massie and Wilmington ever get the boot from the SBAAC, they would be a pretty good fit in the CBC with London, Urbana, Bellefontaine, Plain City JA and etc. That would add a good amount of competition to that conference.
 
winbypin said:
Jefferson isn't going to bring football back. They should be rolled into another school district at this point. TM should be in the MVL.
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Jefferson has a storied history but is not likely to bring anything back. I was stunned last week to see they fell to a middle of the road (Middletown Christian) Metro Buckeye team by more than 40 pts. In varsity basketball.
 
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IMO they seem to fancy themselves as a “central Ohio” school but in terms of culture, demographics, size/growth (or lack thereof), etc.
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It’s a weird dynamic. Every time I’m on 70west, past 270 on the west side, I tell myself “oh yeah I’m not too far from London” and then realize ‘ah crap that’s right it’s still far away.’

Setting aside that anecdote, yeah they’re unlike Marysville aren’t they?!
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they need to be to their west (I.e. CBC) or to their south (I.e. FAC or former SCOL).
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They should be toward their south, but Court House has been a train wreck since “thumbtack-gate” and the 2013 debacle further cemented that program into hell.
nwwarrior09 said:
I think it would be a huge mistake for them to jump into another Columbus area isle of misfits league as was the case with the MSL,
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I think everyone on this thread has a better chance at receiving a loan from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at non-usurious interest levels than London has an opportunity to be seen as “equals” with Columbus metro schools, let alone in the arrangement you aptly describe.
nwwarrior09 said:
the only way I would personally leave the CBC would be if the FAC expanded to 8 or 10 with some mix of them, Wilmington, Circleville, and Logan Elm.
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Starting to sound like the old SCOL!
 
footballsalads43 said:
Yes, I am well aware that they probably don't have any interest. It is just an idea, that will never happen. If the WBL wanted Lima they would have added them already. Lima will most likely stay with the Toledo schools and make it a long term home. Trotwood is going to have to join the Dayton City until a spot in the GWOC opens. I don't foresee the MVL wanting them.

If the WBL does want to add new members, I am sure they would contact the likes of maybe a Tippecanoe first. Maybe even Liberty-Benton.
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I'd actually put good odds on making travel a little easier for Defiance/Ottawa and taking LB and Napoleon as a first option, but Greenville/Sidney/Tippecanoe are solid options as well. Certainly would be terrible for us up here in Defiance but there's definitely a lack other mid sized schools in the region.

I wish there were more schools like Lima and Trotwood that could team up. They're too alike to not be together.
 
footballsalads43 said:
I know this is off topic, but if Clinton-Massie and Wilmington ever get the boot from the SBAAC, they would be a pretty good fit in the CBC with London, Urbana, Bellefontaine, Plain City JA and etc. That would add a good amount of competition to that conference.
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Seriously? Bellefontaine to Massie is a good 1:45 by bus.
 
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