Cleveland Guardians

cjb5656 said:
I would absolutely trade Josh in the right deal. They aren’t going to pay him and he’s been fragile.
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If they don't pay him they should be run out of town. Other than Ramirez there is no proven power in the lineup.

He is still under team control next year
 
YTOWN said:
I never said they were and don't expect them to. That was a response about who would be left to play 1B if the Guardians were to trade Mr. Naylor. I personally don't want to see Naylor traded.
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Nor do I. Naylor is one of the hearts and souls of the team. Streak hitter or not, we need his bat in the lineup. I was just posting some of the comments I've seen around the internet. All good and it's just fun to play what-if.
 
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oldline70 said:
Nor do I. Naylor is one of the hearts and souls of the team. Streak hitter or not, we need his bat in the lineup. I was just posting some of the comments I've seen around the internet. All good and it's just fun to play what-if.
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I know you were just speculating on whether or not they would trade Josh.

I just saw that the Guardians optioned Will Brennan to AAA to make room for Mr. Thomas. The same blurb said that Lane is in Detroit and is penciled in to start in LF today.
 
YTOWN said:
I know you were just speculating on whether or not they would trade Josh.

I just saw that the Guardians optioned Will Brennan to AAA to make room for Mr. Thomas. The same blurb said that Lane is in Detroit and is penciled in to start in LF today.
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I wondered about Mr. Thomas starting in LF instead of RF or CF but that is what the article said:

Lane Thomas to Cleveland

DETROIT — Outfielder Lane Thomas, acquired Monday in a trade with the Nationals, has joined the Guardians at Comerica Park and is in the starting lineup for Tuesday’s series finale against the Tigers.

Thomas, 28, was in Arizona as Washington opened a series against the Diamondbacks on Monday when the trade was made official. He arrived in Detroit ahead of Tuesday’s game and will bat second, playing left field in manager Stephen Vogt’s lineup. Thomas will wear jersey No. 8 for the Guardians.

However, watching the pregame show they have him batting 2nd and playing RF which makes more sense. Wherever he's playing, good luck and welcome to the Guardians.

GO GUARDS!
 
y2h said:
If they don't pay him they should be run out of town. Other than Ramirez there is no proven power in the lineup.

He is still under team control next year
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They traded for Manzardo to ultimately replace Naylor. Unfortunately, Manzardo has yet to prove he can hit MLB pitching. In a perfect world they would pay Naylor, but they won’t. Still, any trade of him would have to bring a big bat in return, such as Vlad or Rooker. Otherwise, they roll with Naylor.
 
Typical Cleveland move- trade for an injured pitcher and come up with excuses as Antonetti did today about how finding starting pitching is very difficult, because everyone wants it. Seems that other teams are finding ways to deal for one. This is status quo and, unless there is a last-minute bonanza, Cleveland fans will once again be disappointed and angry.
 
tom 48 said:
Typical Cleveland move- trade for an injured pitcher and come up with excuses as Antonetti did today about how finding starting pitching is very difficult, because everyone wants it. Seems that other teams are finding ways to deal for one. This is status quo and, unless there is a last-minute bonanza, Cleveland fans will once again be disappointed and angry.
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Maybe so but if somebody had told you before the season that at the end of July the Guardians would have a 5.5-6.5 game lead in their division and sport the best record in the AL at 65-42 you would have been extremely happy would you not? I know I am. Of course I want to see them win it all but I am happy with the season so far.

The Guards finish the road trip at 4-1, win the season series from the Tigers and finish July with a winning record. Mr. Thomas went 1 for 4 and I thought he made 2 nice plays in right field on base hits where he got to the ball quickly and held the hitters to singles. Jose, Nails and Roccio with HRs and Mr. WIlliams and the bulpen with a shutout.

Enjoy the off day and bring on the Orioles.

GO GUARDS!
 
YTOWN said:
Maybe so but if somebody had told you before the season that at the end of July the Guardians would have a 5.5-6.5 game lead in their division and sport the best record in the AL at 65-42 you would have been extremely happy would you not? I know I am. Of course I want to see them win it all but I am happy with the season so far.

The Guards finish the road trip at 4-1, win the season series from the Tigers and finish July with a winning record. Mr. Thomas went 1 for 4 and I thought he made 2 nice plays in right field on base hits where he got to the ball quickly and held the hitters to singles. Jose, Nails and Roccio with HRs and Mr. WIlliams and the bulpen with a shutout.

Enjoy the off day and bring on the Orioles.

GO GUARDS!
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I am delighted that they are doing as well as they have. However, in order to go farther ( as they have the chance to do) they needed to shore up the starting pitching ( everyone admits that). I realize that the way MLB is constructed, certain teams will get whomever they want. Cleveland is very close, but, as usual, they add injured or over-the-hill pitchers, hoping that they will catch a hold of a miracle. The time is right, yet hesitation once again reigns.
 
cjb5656 said:
My guess is they eventually bring back McKenzie or Allen and claim that with Gavin Williams back they have the rotation they thought they would have in spring…minus Bieber, of course.
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Get ready to hear they are comfortable with their own guys.
 
tom 48 said:
I am delighted that they are doing as well as they have. However, in order to go farther ( as they have the chance to do) they needed to shore up the starting pitching ( everyone admits that). I realize that the way MLB is constructed, certain teams will get whomever they want. Cleveland is very close, but, as usual, they add injured or over-the-hill pitchers, hoping that they will catch a hold of a miracle. The time is right, yet hesitation once again reigns.
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brian1227 said:
La dodgers care about winning.The guardians front office failed.This front office and owner is a joke.
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cjb5656 said:
Get ready to hear they are comfortable with their own guys.
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Maybe I'm not disappointed because I never expected them to add a top or even middle of the rotation pitcher. I agree they need at least one but I didn't expect them to be able to get one. I don't think any of you guys really thought they would either. It would be great but given their history not realistic.

As I posted above when we were taking about Flaherty, Fedde, etc. I had no expectation that this ownership and/or management team would be willing to pay the price that would require. It's hard to blame them though, as a small market team it is very difficult to compete with teams like the Yankees or Dodgers and I guess I really didn't expect them to run the risk of blowing up their team to get a guy like that even though I wish they could add that player/players to get them over the hump. We shall see how the rest of the season plays out, hopefully it will be equally as successful as it has been so far.
 
Positive is Flaherty to NL. Also, act of buying may energize the group. Need to have Fry as primary catcher. Can't have 2 offensive holes at both C and SS
 
YTOWN said:
Maybe I'm not disappointed because I never expected them to add a top or even middle of the rotation pitcher. I agree they need at least one but I didn't expect them to be able to get one. I don't think any of you guys really thought they would either. It would be great but given their history not realistic.

As I posted above when we were taking about Flaherty, Fedde, etc. I had no expectation that this ownership and/or management team would be willing to pay the price that would require. It's hard to blame them though, as a small market team it is very difficult to compete with teams like the Yankees or Dodgers and I guess I really didn't expect them to run the risk of blowing up their team to get a guy like that even though I wish they could add that player/players to get them over the hump. We shall see how the rest of the season plays out, hopefully it will be equally as successful as it has been so far.
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You are being a realist; I am being a cynic. It's a product of seeing the exact same thing over and over again. For years, when they were the Indians, we would see them get off to a terrible start but, once they were totally out of it, they would play good ball. Then, the management would say that very few changes were needed, because they discovered how to play and the young players were developing. Next year, rinse and repeat. Then, they finally started to compete, but the front office did nothing to get them to the next level, except bring in a washed up hitter or a pitcher coming off a serious injury whom another team did not want to pay. The excuse was that they didn't want to give up their prospects, who may or may not help them in a few years. But, the time is now. Maybe a top flight pitcher was not in the cards, but how about a good pitcher who could step into the rotation, so they didn't have to depend on a courageous, but flawed Carrasco; someone who could go out and eat up innings, so the bullpen could be a little fresh at the end of the season. So far, they have been very fortunate that they have discovered some power. But, the offense is up and down and the team needs starting pitchers who can go longer than three or four innings. Oh, well, we all hope for the best, but we are hearing the same excuses and seeing the same procedures we saw when the team was not very good. Deja vu.
 
tom 48 said:
You are being a realist; I am being a cynic. It's a product of seeing the exact same thing over and over again. For years, when they were the Indians, we would see them get off to a terrible start but, once they were totally out of it, they would play good ball. Then, the management would say that very few changes were needed, because they discovered how to play and the young players were developing. Next year, rinse and repeat. Then, they finally started to compete, but the front office did nothing to get them to the next level, except bring in a washed up hitter or a pitcher coming off a serious injury whom another team did not want to pay. The excuse was that they didn't want to give up their prospects, who may or may not help them in a few years. But, the time is now. Maybe a top flight pitcher was not in the cards, but how about a good pitcher who could step into the rotation, so they didn't have to depend on a courageous, but flawed Carrasco; someone who could go out and eat up innings, so the bullpen could be a little fresh at the end of the season. So far, they have been very fortunate that they have discovered some power. But, the offense is up and down and the team needs starting pitchers who can go longer than three or four innings. Oh, well, we all hope for the best, but we are hearing the same excuses and seeing the same procedures we saw when the team was not very good. Deja vu.
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I hear you. My father took me to my first Indians game in 1959.

Their key to doing anything in the post season may well be their offense though. It wouldn't matter if they added Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson if that offense goes south like it has at times this season. Not even those two could win a game with 0 runs scored. Although with Koufax and Gibson in their prime a team only needed one or two runs. :) If that happens in the post season, assuming they qualify, it will be a short stay.

If the starters can just give them 5 or 6 decent innings, and the offense doesn't totally die, I think the back end of that bullpen may be good enough to carry them the rest of the way in most games. You are correct though that the danger is in burning the pen out like happened in 2016. They almost got it done that season but the pen finally wore out.

I'm not expecting too much from them but maybe Mr. Boyd and Mr. Cobb can give them some innings. Ideally all of the starters would go 7 or more innings every start but that just doesn't happen much in today's game. Tanner Bibee & Ben Lively have been solid and hopefully Gavin Williams is getting it together now. We shall soon see.

GO GUARDS!
 
YTOWN said:
I hear you. My father took me to my first Indians game in 1959.

Their key to doing anything in the post season may well be their offense though. It wouldn't matter if they added Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson if that offense goes south like it has at times this season. Not even those two could win a game with 0 runs scored. Although with Koufax and Gibson in their prime a team only needed one or two runs. :) If that happens in the post season, assuming they qualify, it will be a short stay.

If the starters can just give them 5 or 6 decent innings, and the offense doesn't totally die, I think the back end of that bullpen may be good enough to carry them the rest of the way in most games. You are correct though that the danger is in burning the pen out like happened in 2016. They almost got it done that season but the pen finally wore out.

I'm not expecting too much from them but maybe Mr. Boyd and Mr. Cobb can give them some innings. Ideally all of the starters would go 7 or more innings every start but that just doesn't happen much in today's game. Tanner Bibee & Ben Lively have been solid and hopefully Gavin Williams is getting it together now. We shall soon see.

GO GUARDS!
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GO TRIBE
 
tom 48 said:
www.si.com

Grading The Cleveland Guardians' Trade Deadline Moves

The Cleveland Guardians made a couple of moves at the MLB trade deadline, acquiring outfielder Lane Thomas in a deal with the Washington Nationals and striking
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I know that Mr. Thomas isn't a world beater with the bat but I like that trade. He is at least a legitimate MLB OFer and IMO he adds defense with a great arm, speed and a little pop in his bat. To me he is definitely an upgrade in RF or CF. Again this is just my opinion. Hopefully he helps out at the plate hitting between Mr. Kwan and Jose.
 
YTOWN said:
I hear you. My father took me to my first Indians game in 1959.

Their key to doing anything in the post season may well be their offense though. It wouldn't matter if they added Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson if that offense goes south like it has at times this season. Not even those two could win a game with 0 runs scored. Although with Koufax and Gibson in their prime a team only needed one or two runs. :) If that happens in the post season, assuming they qualify, it will be a short stay.

If the starters can just give them 5 or 6 decent innings, and the offense doesn't totally die, I think the back end of that bullpen may be good enough to carry them the rest of the way in most games. You are correct though that the danger is in burning the pen out like happened in 2016. They almost got it done that season but the pen finally wore out.

I'm not expecting too much from them but maybe Mr. Boyd and Mr. Cobb can give them some innings. Ideally all of the starters would go 7 or more innings every start but that just doesn't happen much in today's game. Tanner Bibee & Ben Lively have been solid and hopefully Gavin Williams is getting it together now. We shall soon see.

GO GUARDS!
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My first game was in 1974, a "twilight doubleheader" (old timers, is that what they called them? It's what I remember) against the Texas Rangers I believe. No, it wasn't the immortal "10-Cent Beer Night", though.

EDIT: I was wrong, it was the Milwaukee Brewers!
 
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