Cleveland Browns 2024 Edition

Covered stadium on the lakefront?

CLEVELAND (WJW) — The Cleveland Browns have been playing their games on the banks of Lake Erie since their inception in 1946. While the Haslams seem to have momentum to build a new domed stadium in Brook Park next to the airport, Cleveland architect and real estate developer Robert Corna has a lakefront development plan ready to go with a stadium he calls the “Hexatron.” “Create a six-sided stadium that’s covered with a glass roof and the roof would open,” Robert said.


 
eaglesfan216 said:
All Watson really needs to do is return to his 2020 form in some way. Last years Browns showed for the first time since the team came back that they can consistently win games they had no business winning (examples: SF, @Indy, @bal, PIT, CHI). Those were 5 games the Browns arguably should have lost. But that's the beauty of the game, and the Browns have started winning those gauntlet games they've normally lost since 1999.

Playing in the AFC North is brutal. It's the toughest division in pro football. Watson doesn't even need to play like an MVP candidate, last year showed all that's needed is consistent QB play for this team to succeed.

Could it all go south really fast? Of course, it's the NFL and it's the Cleveland Browns. But if this team has an attitude like they had last year during those gauntlet games and can somehow extend it to the whole season, they're going to do pretty well.
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The Browns had an easy stretch run, for the most part, last year. A decent amount of the Flacco winning happened against a weak slate. And we don’t know how the Browns opponents will look down the stretch this season, but that part of the schedule looks pretty formidable now. If the Browns can navigate that gauntlet and reach the playoffs I’ll feel much better about their chances than I did last year when I felt they rode some false magic into a trap game.
 
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y2h said:
If this team goes 8-9 they won't have to worry about the stadium situation. It will be burned down and they'll be the Albuquerque Browns next year.
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This is why I prefer to believe the league is fixed against the Browns. It's easier to believe the league doesn't want the Browns to win than it is to just accept that they are a terrible franchise run by inept owners.
 
Just sign on the line for Brook Park. The fabulous city of CLE is going to really issue a press release regarding depos in a formerly initiated suit with Brook Park? Having to wrench a year and a half old significant tax refund from that city's tax agency, I'm not shocked. Get this team out of that corrupt mess (I know, most govts are corrupt, but CLE is arrogant about it)
 
Glad to see the extensions for Berry and Stefanski. They deserve it. We all have our periodic complaints about play calling, but the roster is solid and well-utilized, for the most part. 4 years, 37-30, 2 playoff appearances is so much better than it was. Now if #4 can perform, it is time to take the next step.
 
As a fan I am partial to an outdoor stadium on the lakefront. As an advocate for Cleveland, brookpark makes sense. That lakefront space could be much better utilized as a park or mixed-use development.

The county, state and RTA should partner right now with Haslam and push for federal funding on a rail transit hub in brookpark paired with the stadium. It is an election year this is their golden ticket to high-speed rail in ohio. Now or never
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
As a fan I am partial to an outdoor stadium on the lakefront. As an advocate for Cleveland, brookpark makes sense. That lakefront space could be much better utilized as a park or mixed-use development.

The county, state and RTA should partner right now with Haslam and push for federal funding on a rail transit hub in brookpark paired with the stadium. It is an election year this is their golden ticket to high-speed rail in ohio. Now or never
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High speed rail and a legit transit hub would be nice, but the Haslam’s can clean up on parking fees, so the incentive is for more people driving to the game…though that’s still just several times a year and if they truly make it a massive retail complex too then rail is a must…at least efficient, safe local rail.
 
cjb5656 said:
High speed rail and a legit transit hub would be nice, but the Haslam’s can clean up on parking fees, so the incentive is for more people driving to the game…though that’s still just several times a year and if they truly make it a massive retail complex too then rail is a must…at least efficient, safe local rail.
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The model the Haslim’s want to use is Atlanta’s new baseball park. The area around it, not the stadium. They get around 100k on Saturdays in the fall down there at the restaurants and such.
 
I think Haslam is all-in on mixed-use development. It's just a good business move for him. The rail thing should appeal to him as that'll help him win support from people who might otherwise not want to fund a billionaires sport's stadium.

It also seems like the berea complex overhaul is moving forward which also is a mixed use development similar to the hall of fame. Seems like a lot to take on at once but he hasn't been shy about spending the last decade
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
I think Haslam is all-in on mixed-use development. It's just a good business move for him. The rail thing should appeal to him as that'll help him win support from people who might otherwise not want to fund a billionaires sport's stadium.

It also seems like the berea complex overhaul is moving forward which also is a mixed use development similar to the hall of fame. Seems like a lot to take on at once but he hasn't been shy about spending the last decade
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Haslam won’t be spending - he will be investing and making a very nice return on his $$$.

The people of the city of Cleveland and Cuyahoga county - they will be spending.
 
Cedar_Point said:
The model the Haslim’s want to use is Atlanta’s new baseball park. The area around it, not the stadium. They get around 100k on Saturdays in the fall down there at the restaurants and such.
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Yes. Very mixed use down there. Great highway access, office buildings, restaurants, recreational stuff, shopping, parks, etc. Went a game there a couple years ago with seats in the first row of the upper deck near home. There was a piece of clear plexiglass at the end of the aisle near my seat. Near the end of the game I realized the glass was magnifying a beam of the strong ATL sun on my leg. The sun was so strong it burned a spot on my leg through my khaki pants - haha.
 
What’s Mayor Erkel doing besides threatening legal action?

What’s his vision for a new downtown stadium, keeping the Browns in the city, and developing a district around it?

Typical Democrat loser.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
It'll be a mix of private and public. Haslam will absolutely contribute some amount of money
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Correct, for Haslam it will be a no brainer investment & very nice return along with almost complete control over the stadium with little to no repair cost.

The people of Cleveland & Cuyahoga county…… they will get a nominal increase on the taxes or sales tax of some sort.

I believe the NFL kicks in up to $500 million and would probably throw Cleveland a bone to host the NFL draft. Sorry Cleveland, you ain’t getting a Super Bowl.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Correct, for Haslam it will be a no brainer investment & very nice return along with almost complete control over the stadium with little to no repair cost.

The people of Cleveland & Cuyahoga county…… they will get a nominal increase on the taxes or sales tax of some sort.

I believe the NFL kicks in up to $500 million and would probably throw Cleveland a bone to host the NFL draft. Sorry Cleveland, you ain’t getting a Super Bowl.
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Cleveland will absolutely get a Super Bowl if they build a stadium that the NFL wants. Just one, but they’ll take it.
 
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cjb5656 said:
Cleveland will absolutely get a Super Bowl if they build a stadium that the NFL wants. Just one, but they’ll take it.
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Sorry but I disagree. Buffalo, Chicago and Jacksonville are all in the process of building a new stadium. There has been talk of a new stadium in Nashville. I don’t see Jacksonville or Buffalo getting a SB. The only northern locations to host a SB are Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Detroit, Dallas and New York. Miami, LA, Las Vegas and Arizona are prime locations. New Orleans and San Francisco have the next two Super Bowle. Below are a few of the many criteria needed to host the Super Bowl:
  • Market that hosts an NFL team
  • Minimum 70,000 seating capacity
  • Average gameday temperature of at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit
  • Dome (for stadiums that don't meet prior requirement)
  • Practice space of equal and comparable quality for both teams
  • Hotel spaces equaling 35 percent of stadium's capacity
  • Space for the Gameday Experience, NFL Experience

NFL stadium rankings from oldest to newest​

  • 1. Chicago Bears - Solider Field: 1924
  • 2. Green Bay Packers - Lambeau Field: 1957
  • 3. Kansas City Chiefs - GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium: 1972
  • 4. Buffalo Bills - Highmark Stadium: 1973
  • 5. New Orleans Saints - Caesars Superdome: 1975
  • 6. Miami Dolphins - Hard Rock Stadium: 1987
  • 7. Jacksonville Jaguars - EverBank Stadium: 1995
  • 8. Carolina Panthers - Bank of America Stadium: 1996
  • 9. Washington Commanders - FedEx Field: 1997
  • 10. Baltimore Ravens - M&T Bank Stadium: 1998
  • 10. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Raymond James Stadium: 1998
  • 12. Cleveland Browns - Cleveland Browns Stadium: 1999
  • 12. Tennessee Titans - Nissan Stadium: 1999
  • 14. Cincinnati Bengals - Paycor Stadium: 2000
  • 15. Pittsburgh Steelers - Acrisure Stadium: 2001
  • 15. Denver Broncos - Empower Field at Mile High: 2001
  • 17. Detroit Lions - Ford Field: 2002
  • 17. New England Patriots - Gillette Stadium: 2002
  • 17. Seattle Seahawks - Lumen Field: 2002
  • 17. Houston Texans - NRG Stadium: 2002
  • 21. Philadelphia Eagles - Lincoln Financial Field: 2003
  • 22. Arizona Cardinals - State Farm Stadium: 2006
  • 23. Indianapolis Colts - Lucas Oil Stadium: 2008
  • 24. Dallas Cowboys - AT&T Stadium: 2009
  • 25. New York Giants/New York Jets - MetLife Stadium: 2010
  • 26. San Francisco 49ers - Levi's Stadium: 2014
  • 27. Minnesota Vikings - U.S. Bank Stadium: 2016
  • 28. Atlanta Falcons - Mercedes-Benz Stadium: 2017
  • 29. Las Vegas Raiders - Allegiant Stadium: 2020
  • 29. Los Angeles Rams/Los Angeles Chargers - SoFi Stadium, 2020
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Sorry but I disagree. Buffalo, Chicago and Jacksonville are all in the process of building a new stadium. There has been talk of a new stadium in Nashville. I don’t see Jacksonville or Buffalo getting a SB. The only northern locations to host a SB are Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Detroit, Dallas and New York. Miami, LA, Las Vegas and Arizona are prime locations. New Orleans and San Francisco have the next two Super Bowle. Below are a few of the many criteria needed to host the Super Bowl:
  • Market that hosts an NFL team
  • Minimum 70,000 seating capacity
  • Average gameday temperature of at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit
  • Dome (for stadiums that don't meet prior requirement)
  • Practice space of equal and comparable quality for both teams
  • Hotel spaces equaling 35 percent of stadium's capacity
  • Space for the Gameday Experience, NFL Experience

NFL stadium rankings from oldest to newest​

  • 1. Chicago Bears - Solider Field: 1924
  • 2. Green Bay Packers - Lambeau Field: 1957
  • 3. Kansas City Chiefs - GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium: 1972
  • 4. Buffalo Bills - Highmark Stadium: 1973
  • 5. New Orleans Saints - Caesars Superdome: 1975
  • 6. Miami Dolphins - Hard Rock Stadium: 1987
  • 7. Jacksonville Jaguars - EverBank Stadium: 1995
  • 8. Carolina Panthers - Bank of America Stadium: 1996
  • 9. Washington Commanders - FedEx Field: 1997
  • 10. Baltimore Ravens - M&T Bank Stadium: 1998
  • 10. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Raymond James Stadium: 1998
  • 12. Cleveland Browns - Cleveland Browns Stadium: 1999
  • 12. Tennessee Titans - Nissan Stadium: 1999
  • 14. Cincinnati Bengals - Paycor Stadium: 2000
  • 15. Pittsburgh Steelers - Acrisure Stadium: 2001
  • 15. Denver Broncos - Empower Field at Mile High: 2001
  • 17. Detroit Lions - Ford Field: 2002
  • 17. New England Patriots - Gillette Stadium: 2002
  • 17. Seattle Seahawks - Lumen Field: 2002
  • 17. Houston Texans - NRG Stadium: 2002
  • 21. Philadelphia Eagles - Lincoln Financial Field: 2003
  • 22. Arizona Cardinals - State Farm Stadium: 2006
  • 23. Indianapolis Colts - Lucas Oil Stadium: 2008
  • 24. Dallas Cowboys - AT&T Stadium: 2009
  • 25. New York Giants/New York Jets - MetLife Stadium: 2010
  • 26. San Francisco 49ers - Levi's Stadium: 2014
  • 27. Minnesota Vikings - U.S. Bank Stadium: 2016
  • 28. Atlanta Falcons - Mercedes-Benz Stadium: 2017
  • 29. Las Vegas Raiders - Allegiant Stadium: 2020
  • 29. Los Angeles Rams/Los Angeles Chargers - SoFi Stadium, 2020
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They will get a Super Bowl in exchange for building a dome that is approved and encouraged by the NFL.
 
cjb5656 said:
They will get a Super Bowl in exchange for building a dome that is approved and encouraged by the NFL.
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You think the NFL & its other 31 owners are going to grant Haslem a SB after he gave DeShawn Watson a fully guaranteed contract? The NFL will give the $500 mil towards the new stadium and a NFL Draft. A SB in Cleveland isn’t happening
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Correct, for Haslam it will be a no brainer investment & very nice return along with almost complete control over the stadium with little to no repair cost.

The people of Cleveland & Cuyahoga county…… they will get a nominal increase on the taxes or sales tax of some sort.

I believe the NFL kicks in up to $500 million and would probably throw Cleveland a bone to host the NFL draft. Sorry Cleveland, you ain’t getting a Super Bowl.
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Why would the NFL kick in anything? As I understand it they've done next to nothing regarding the HOF which is their Mecca.

I agree Cleveland isn't getting a SB. The players and celebrities attending the game and events surrounding the game want no part of Cleveland in February.

Even if we were to get one that would be all it would be...is that really worth the investment for a stadium you'll be stuck with for the next 30+ years? Keep it on the lakefront where it belongs. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Denver, NE all play in the same elements we do without a dome. If you are a fair weather fan stay home when the weather turns.
 
OldSoulon said:
What’s Mayor Erkel doing besides threatening legal action?

What’s his vision for a new downtown stadium, keeping the Browns in the city, and developing a district around it?

Typical Democrat loser.
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The stadium is 25 years old. The Chiefs stadium dates back to the 70s. Lambeau to the 50s. They've played baseball in Fenway and Wrigley for over 100 years.

We don't need a new stadium.
 
y2h said:
Why would the NFL kick in anything? As I understand it they've done next to nothing regarding the HOF which is their Mecca.

I agree Cleveland isn't getting a SB. The players and celebrities attending the game and events surrounding the game want no part of Cleveland in February.

Even if we were to get one that would be all it would be...is that really worth the investment for a stadium you'll be stuck with for the next 30+ years? Keep it on the lakefront where it belongs. Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Denver, NE all play in the same elements we do without a dome. If you are a fair weather fan stay home when the weather turns.
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Here is what the NFL kicked in for Buffalo’s stadium. The NFL owners (need 24 owners to anpprove) approved a $200 mil G4 Liam to the Bills owners. By rule of the NFL’s G4 loan, the Bills owners must match the $200 mil in private funding bringing the grand total of ‘private funding’ to $400 mil on the $1.4 billion total projected cost of the new Bills stadium. The G4 loan of $200 mil is paid back in some formula by the visiting NFL teams percentage of the gate.

Maybe the Haslem’s will not choose to apply for this NFL G4 loan and request the city of Cleveland & state of Ohio to float the entire bill, I do not know.

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Report: Bills move closer to $200M stadium loan from NFL

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — The Buffalo Bills moved closer to landing $200 million in NFL funding to help finance their bid to build a new stadium, a person with direct knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press on Friday. The NFL’s stadium and finance committee backed the Bills’ request for...
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