Cincy D1 strength of schedule

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stickerprice

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There seems to be a great divide when it comes to strength of schedule for local D1 teams. Teams such as StX, Moe, and IH play a tough "out of conference" schedule while Lakota & Sycamore seem to play nobody. I think this is a great disservice to the players giving them a false sense of confidence and most assuredly a quick exit come playoff time. The reason i lump these two teams together is because they have been around long enough and are established programs with plenty of good athletes and kids coming in thru youth programs. It almost seems the programs are more concerned with their win-loss record than the actual product on the field. Why is it like this? and why does the pattern of scheduling lower tier teams continue?
 
 
stickerprice said:
There seems to be a great divide when it comes to strength of schedule for local D1 teams. Teams such as StX, Moe, and IH play a tough "out of conference" schedule while Lakota & Sycamore seem to play nobody. I think this is a great disservice to the players giving them a false sense of confidence and most assuredly a quick exit come playoff time. The reason i lump these two teams together is because they have been around long enough and are established programs with plenty of good athletes and kids coming in thru youth programs. It almost seems the programs are more concerned with their win-loss record than the actual product on the field. Why is it like this? and why does the pattern of scheduling lower tier teams continue?
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It goes deeper than just win/loss...think about it for a second: West and Sycamore are in a down-swing now. Both aren't up to the caliber they have been in the past...the coaches of these teams recognized that, and instead of putting the usual Dublins on their schedule, they opted for an easier one. Both teams are back to building up their programs at the moment.
 
Well for moeller they have to play the hardest schedule every year because of their membership in the Midwest League. They have to play teams like WRA, UA, Bro Rice and several others. They usually have to play about 8 midwest games a year in addition to their cincy schedule and other columbus teams. But for St.X and IH i think it is just because they have consistently solid teams year in and year out. You can't compete for state unless you play the tough columbus teams during the regular season.
 
Last year was the only year in recent history that West or Sycamore have had a decent team. Before that they were the Mason's of D1. Also although Indian Hill, X, and Moeller are playing some Central teams, they are also playing the Turpins, Seven Hills, and Andersons of the world. Also you are seeing a lot more Indiana and Kentucky teams, which are also a level or two below Ohio teams. The simple fact is that Region 4 is the weakest region in D1 and many central and northern Ohio teams do not want to bother playing us
 
Natti said:
Last year was the only year in recent history that West or Sycamore have had a decent team. Before that they were the Mason's of D1. Also although Indian Hill, X, and Moeller are playing some Central teams, they are also playing the Turpins, Seven Hills, and Andersons of the world. Also you are seeing a lot more Indiana and Kentucky teams, which are also a level or two below Ohio teams. The simple fact is that Region 4 is the weakest region in D1 and many central and northern Ohio teams do not want to bother playing us
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First off, West had a good team for the past two years. In 05, they lost to Moeller by 1 point (10-11), so I guess by your reasoning, Moeller really sucked in 05 if you don't want to mention West having a good team that year, though Moeller wasn't bad that year at all (recorded wins over Thomas Worthington, Indian Hill, Dublin Coffman). If anything, Moeller was decent that year, which made West decent as well for only losing by one goal to them.

Secondly, last year Sycamore didn't have that great of a team; they were good the two years before last year.

And lastly, West was never "the Mason's of D1" because last year they did well and it was their first year in D1.
 
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to start with, laxpower ratings this early in the year mean nothing, whether its ranking or strengh of schedule. Laxpower only starts to make sense about the middle of season.

second, Moeller did suck in 2005. They were terrible. That was the last year under the old coach, and it showed. so west by losing to Moeller by 1 goal did mean that they were mediocre.
 
Natti said:
to start with, laxpower ratings this early in the year mean nothing, whether its ranking or strengh of schedule. Laxpower only starts to make sense about the middle of season.

second, Moeller did suck in 2005. They were terrible. That was the last year under the old coach, and it showed. so west by losing to Moeller by 1 goal did mean that they were mediocre.
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Moeller's laxpower ratings aren't impressive. They've won the games their supposed to win, and lost the ones their supposed to lose; they even lost to UA and WK by more than was predicted. Still the best team in R4, however.

Secondly, mediocre = same thing as saying decent. Your earlier post was still very inaccurate.
 
Moeller's laxpower ratings did take a huge hit by starting the season 0-2. That's tough though when you open with Kilbourne and Jerome back to back in Columbus. IMO Moeller would beat both of those teams in a rematch but that doesn't really matter. But Moeller has won 5 of their last 6 by significant margins against good teams.

Also, Natti, northern OH only has Hudson and that's it. WRA doesn't count as a state team so I wouldn't include them. And to say that central and northern ohio doesn't want to bother with southern ohio doesn't really make sense when Moeller plays Kilbourne, Jerome, Coffman, UA, TW, St. Ignatius, and WRA. Those are all of the top teams from each region besides Hudson.
 
franchise said:
Moeller's laxpower ratings did take a huge hit by starting the season 0-2. That's tough though when you open with Kilbourne and Jerome back to back in Columbus. IMO Moeller would beat both of those teams in a rematch but that doesn't really matter. But Moeller has won 5 of their last 6 by significant margins against good teams.
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I'll have to agree with you on that one.
 
moeller hasnt played any good teams other than jerome, wk, and UA....Detroit Country Day is not that good at all
 
You gotta give DCD some credit however. They have a kid going to north carolina another going to Georgetown and another Jr. that is a big D1 prospect that hasn't decided yet. None of these kids played in the scrimmage versus St.X so that definitely made them look worse than they really are.
 
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they've played overall much tougher opponents than any other team in R4.
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yeah the key word in this sentence is PLAYED, that doesnt mean that they PLAY tougher opponents than any other team in R 4, cause if you want to play that card Indian Hill PLAYS and have not PLAYED yet UA, Jerome, Scioto, TW, then CUlver who is ok and DeSmet Jesuit from MO and BArrington from IL. The only edge i give to moe is that they play WRA but since WRA cant even contend for a state title its kind of pointless to play them so late in the season, i mean i guess they would be more polished but if they lose its just going to be another blemish on their record which i just think would be stupid.
 
Lakota West
3/30​
@ Kings
4/5​
CCD
4/7​
St. John's
4/18​
Loveland
4/20​
Summit
4/21​
@ Westerville South
4/24​
Little Miami
4/25​
@ Mason
4/27​
@ Sycamore
5/2​
@ St. Xavier
5/4​
Fenwick
5/8​
@ Moeller
5/11​
Sycamore
5/15​
@ Mariemont
5/18​
Indian Hill
​

Mason
3/24​
@ Westerville North
3/26​
Turpin
3/28​
@ Sycamore
4/16​
Moeller
4/21​
Wilmington
4/23​
@ Loveland
4/25​
Lakota West
4/27​
Parkway High St. Louis
4/30​
@ CCD
5/2​
Anderson
5/9​
Milford
5/11​
@ Westerville Central
5/12​
@ Olentangy
5/16​
Fenwick
5/18​
Kings
​
 

Moeller
3/24​
@ Worthington Kilbourne
3/27​
@ Dublin Jerome
3/29​
@ Anderson
3/31​
@ Dublin Coffman
4/4​
@ Indian Hill
4/7​
Upper Arlington
4/16​
@ Mason
4/20​
@ Thomas Worthington
4/25​
Sycamore
5/1​
@ Mariemont
5/5​
St. Xavier
5/8​
Lakota West
5/11​
@ Ignatius
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St. X.
/29​
Turpin
3/31​
Dublin Jerome
4/2​
Westerville South
4/4​
Worthington Kilbourne
4/14​
@ Sycamore
4/18​
Seven Hills
4/21​
Louisville St. Xavier
4/26​
Mariemont
4/28​
Marquett
4/28​
St. John
4/28​
St. John's
4/29​
Brebeuf
5/2​
Lakota West
5/5​
@ Moeller
5/8​
@ Anderson
5/11​
@ Upper Arlington
5/16​
@ Indian Hill
5/19​
CCD
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it seems to be close between moe and x, indian hill hasn't played any of the columbus teams till this year and i look forward to seeing how they compete against them
 
The only reason I would personally give the edge to Moeller is they don't play as many lower division teams as X does. X plays Seven Hills, Turpin, CCD, and then along with Brebeuf and Louisville St. X. Not to mention Marquette and St. John's which are pretty much unknowns to us. These teams are much more mediocre than most of the teams on Moe's schedule, other than Anderson and Mason.
 
It seems you forgot to put WRA as the last game on Moeller's schedule Mason Comets. That easily gives moeller the edge on SOS.
 
That gives moeller 7 games against central and northern OH. 5 versus columbus teams and 2 versus northern teams. No other cincy team has that tough of a schedule.
 
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