CHL 2024/2025 preview/season thread

Yeah, CJ Hester isn’t walking through that door. Easy to be confident in what Taft has done because their schedule is battle tested. Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen. Hard to tell how good they actually are.
wyoming played ross, a d3 team, and monroe, a d2 team. handled both, and monroe rolled fewick this week. to claim they had a week out-of-conference schedule, without any analysis and just a bald opinion, is weak sauce indeed. i do think taft would be favored over wyoming, they are really good. but its unfair to diminish wyoming by writing off their opponents, bethel-tate excluded.
 
"Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen."-- really, the easiest achedule you've ever seen?

Where would you rank the difficulty of Wyoming's first 3 non-league games among the CHL schools this year? Other than IH playing Harrison (and getting thoroughly routed by a "mid" Division II team that almost never goes anywhere in the playoffs-- which probably tells you that IH ain't going anywhere in the playoffs in Division III), WHO in the CHL has played anyone of note?
I give IH credit for playing Harrison. Arguing that “Nobody in the CHL has a hard schedule” doesn’t make me feel any more confident about Wyomings chances in beating Taft if they played each other.
 
wyoming played ross, a d3 team, and monroe, a d2 team. handled both, and monroe rolled fewick this week. to claim they had a week out-of-conference schedule, without any analysis and just a bald opinion, is weak sauce indeed. i do think taft would be favored over wyoming, they are really good. but its unfair to diminish wyoming by writing off their opponents, bethel-tate excluded.
does being in D3 and D2 make you a good team or something? I can find better D4 opponents than Ross and Monroe.
Mt. Healthy QB threw for a billion yards against Ross. Fenwick is gonna go 1-9 so hanging your hat on Monroe beating them makes no sense. My point is, Wyoming could be a good team but there’s no way of knowing as of now. Looks like they have 1 good team on their schedule and it’s Indian Hill.
 
I give IH credit for playing Harrison. Arguing that “Nobody in the CHL has a hard schedule” doesn’t make me feel any more confident about Wyomings chances in beating Taft if they played each other.
So you chose not to answer the pointed question-- you claimed that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen"-- but then you refused to rank the out-of-conference schedule of all of the CHL teams... even a cursory review of the other CHL teams' schedules would almost certainly show that Wyoming's out-of-conference schedule is as tough as (or tougher than) any other CHL team's out-of conference schedule-- and since the CHL teams ALL play each other in the conference schedule (a round-robin of equal difficulty for all CHL teams), that would mean that Wyoming's schedule is probably as tough as (or tougher than) anyone else's in the CHL..

Since you are posting on a CHLeague forum, I assume that you've "seen" the schedules of the CHL teams-- it appears that your claim that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen" is proven to be false-- or, you are a football newbie, who has never seen anyone else's schedule EXCEPT Wyoming's -- in which case, your claim MIGHT have some validity-- though it would only betray your own lack of football knowledge and awareness-- and NOT be saying anything useful, insightful, or accurate about Wyoming's schedule.
 
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does being in D3 and D2 make you a good team or something? I can find better D4 opponents than Ross and Monroe.
Mt. Healthy QB threw for a billion yards against Ross. Fenwick is gonna go 1-9 so hanging your hat on Monroe beating them makes no sense. My point is, Wyoming could be a good team but there’s no way of knowing as of now. Looks like they have 1 good team on their schedule and it’s Indian Hill.
Care to make a cash wager on whether Fenwick goes 1-9 or not? I'll take the over on wins...
 
So you chose not to answer the pointed question-- you claimed that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen"-- but then you refused to rank the out-of-conference schedule of all of the CHL teams... even a cursory review of the other CHL teams' schedules would almost certainly show that Wyoming's out-of-conference schedule is as tough as (or tougher than) any other CHL team's out-of conference schedule-- and since the CHL teams ALL play each other in the conference schedule (a round-robin of equal difficulty for all CHL teams), that would mean that Wyoming's schedule is probably as tough as (or tougher than) anyone else's in the CHL..

Since you are posting on a CHLeague forum, I assume that you've "seen" the schedules of the CHL teams-- it appears that your claim that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen" is proven to be false-- or, you are a football newbie, who has never seen anyone else's schedule EXCEPT Wyoming's -- in which case, your claim MIGHT have some validity-- though it would only betray your own lack of football knowledge and awareness-- and NOT say anything useful, insightful, or accurate about Wyoming's schedule.
I was lobbying for Wyoming to play McNick week 3 way back in January when I saw both teams had an open date. McNick had to go all the way to Columbus to find a game.
 
It’s funny that people continue to defend Wyomings schedule. They simply will not play any team that will test them. If that’s what they think is best then good for them. There’s nothing wrong with observing other powerhouse programs seeking out tough opponents so they are battle tested by playoff time. Saying Wyoming’s schedule is as good as, or better than any other CHL team is meaningless.
 
So you chose not to answer the pointed question-- you claimed that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen"-- but then you refused to rank the out-of-conference schedule of all of the CHL teams... even a cursory review of the other CHL teams' schedules would almost certainly show that Wyoming's out-of-conference schedule is as tough as (or tougher than) any other CHL team's out-of conference schedule-- and since the CHL teams ALL play each other in the conference schedule (a round-robin of equal difficulty for all CHL teams), that would mean that Wyoming's schedule is probably as tough as (or tougher than) anyone else's in the CHL..

Since you are posting on a CHLeague forum, I assume that you've "seen" the schedules of the CHL teams-- it appears that your claim that "Wyoming has the easiest schedule you've ever seen" is proven to be false-- or, you are a football newbie, who has never seen anyone else's schedule EXCEPT Wyoming's -- in which case, your claim MIGHT have some validity-- though it would only betray your own lack of football knowledge and awareness-- and NOT say anything useful, insightful, or accurate about Wyoming's schedule.
My answer to your question - Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen for a team who thinks they are a contender. If you want me to compare their schedule to Finneytowns then you’re proving my point.
 
I was lobbying for Wyoming to play McNick week 3 way back in January when I saw both teams had an open date. McNick had to go all the way to Columbus to find a game.
Would have been a worthy game, no doubt... wonder why they didn't agree on a game? Sometimes, it can only happen if the home team agrees to play a follow-up at the other team's field, the next year-- maybe they couldn't agree on that...?
 
It’s funny that people continue to defend Wyomings schedule. They simply will not play any team that will test them. If that’s what they think is best then good for them. There’s nothing wrong with observing other powerhouse programs seeking out tough opponents so they are battle tested by playoff time. Saying Wyoming’s schedule is as good as, or better than any other CHL team is meaningless.
I don't really want to defend Wyoming's schedule (I too think they should schedule tougher-- I wish it was them, not Clinton-Massie, playing Coldwater last week)...I was just pointing out that GreenGoblin's comment was both absurd and demonstrably false... unless he's never seen anyone's schedule except Wyoming's...

It's obviously not meaningless (to the extent that any of the entirely meaningless comments on this site has "meaning") to say that Wyoming's schedule is as good as, or better than any other CHL team, since Wyoming has used their schedule to prepare well enough to win a state championship, and finish state runner-up, and regional runner-up, all in the last ~5 years... Either they ARE playing teams that "test them", or they don't NEED to play teams that test them, in order to have a fair modicum of success in the state playoffs (FAR more than any other CHL team has had).
 
Would have been a worthy game, no doubt... wonder why they didn't agree on a game? Sometimes, it can only happen if the home team agrees to play a follow-up at the other team's field, the next year-- maybe they couldn't agree on that...?
The main issue was probably that McNick is good.
 
It’s funny that people continue to defend Wyomings schedule. They simply will not play any team that will test them. If that’s what they think is best then good for them. There’s nothing wrong with observing other powerhouse programs seeking out tough opponents so they are battle tested by playoff time. Saying Wyoming’s schedule is as good as, or better than any other CHL team is meaningless.
I don't think you understand how scheduling works. Which 'tough opponents' should they seek out who will in-turn agree to play Wyoming in the non-con?
 
My answer to your question - Wyoming has the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen for a team who thinks they are a contender. If you want me to compare their schedule to Finneytowns then you’re proving my point.
Where did you see posted here-- or stated by a representative of the Wyoming HS football team (player or coach) elsewhere, that they "think they are a contender"? If that is being promulgated out there in public forums by people representing the Wyoming team, then you might (now, with your corrected statement) have a point-- if not, then you're just talking a lot of nonsense.

No one asked you to compare Wyoming's schedule to Finneytown's specifically-- but, even that comparison would disprove your original claim... What I said was "Compare Wyoming's schedule to the rest of the CHL."-- that includes at least one decent team (e.g.- IH) who might well have the kind of aspirations that you seem to have unilaterally chosen to assign to Wyoming's team.
 
GCL coed fan but I see Fenwick winning just two of these games: Aiken and maybe Carroll.

OCT. 2024OPPONENTTIMELOCATION
Fri. 13Aiken07:00 PM
Fri. 20Mt. Healthy07:00 PM
Fri. 27Badin07:00 PM
Fri. 4Chaminade Julienne07:00 PM
Fri. 11at McNicholas07:00 PM
Fri. 18at Alter07:00 PMFairmont
Fri. 25at Carroll07:00 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they won 3-- Aiken, Carroll, and one other upset-- Mt. Healthy-- yes unlikely, but that's another one I would watch for an upset... still, I only offered to bet they win more than 1-- sounds like you would agree.
 
does being in D3 and D2 make you a good team or something? I can find better D4 opponents than Ross and Monroe.
Mt. Healthy QB threw for a billion yards against Ross. Fenwick is gonna go 1-9 so hanging your hat on Monroe beating them makes no sense. My point is, Wyoming could be a good team but there’s no way of knowing as of now. Looks like they have 1 good team on their schedule and it’s Indian Hill.
One more thing-- Wyoming has played Ross and Monroe pretty frequently over the last ~20 years... there is some tradition there, and probably some cordial relations between the ADs that helps facilitate getting those out-of-conference games scheduled-- that does matter in making a game happen-- St. X's coach and Lakota West's coach have been friends for over 20 years-- they played every year, when the LW coach was the coach at Colerain-- and as soon as he moved to LW, they began playing there too (even though LW only has ONE out-of-conference game slot on its schedule)...

You can't discount history, tradition, and friendly relationships between coaches and ADs, as factors in what games DO get scheduled.
 
Where did you see posted here-- or stated by a representative of the Wyoming HS football team (player or coach) elsewhere, that they "think they are a contender"? If that is being promulgated out there in public forums by people representing the Wyoming team, then you might (now, with your corrected statement) have a point-- if not, then you're just talking a lot of nonsense.

No one asked you to compare Wyoming's schedule to Finneytown's specifically-- but, even that comparison would disprove your original claim... What I said was "Compare Wyoming's schedule to the rest of the CHL."-- that includes at least one decent team (e.g.- IH) who might well have the kind of aspirations that you seem to have unilaterally chosen to assign to Wyoming's team.
it’s not nonsense, it’s a message board. Snarky sarcasm comes with the territory. Hopefully Wyoming makes it far enough in the playoffs to play Taft and we can revisit the main point being made, and that is there’s no way to tell how good Wyoming is during the regular season because their schedule is always weak. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t good, I guess it means they aren’t bad because they beat bad teams. Good luck against the Braves when you get tested the one time this year.
 
it’s not nonsense, it’s a message board. Snarky sarcasm comes with the territory. Hopefully Wyoming makes it far enough in the playoffs to play Taft and we can revisit the main point being made, and that is there’s no way to tell how good Wyoming is during the regular season because their schedule is always weak. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t good, I guess it means they aren’t bad because they beat bad teams. Good luck against the Braves when you get tested the one time this year.
Well, I am not affiliated with the Wyoming HS football team, so I won't be "tested" by the Braves... but, from what I saw last year, I am not optimistic about that game for Wyoming... Wyoming had no answer for the freshman RB-- and I can only assume he will be even harder to stop this year (and for two more after that)-- it was a little bit like watching a freshman LeBron James dominate seniors ~25 years ago (though clearly, the IH RB is not at that level-- else IH wouldn't have gotten murdered by a modest Harrison team)...
 
I was at the Harrison vs. IH game and I see a lot of disrespect for Harrison here. That team has a really good RB who is hard to tackle and very physical. Their QB is legit when passing. They have many athletes on both sides of the ball. I am not calling them world beaters, but a modest Harrison team is easy to say if you haven't seen them play. They are strong on both lines and very well coached. They will make some noise come playoff time. IH was in the game until interception number 3 before half. That simply changed the game. The Lebron James reference is hillarious. I mean I didn't know 1 football player determines a football game? Please name one football player that controls the outcome of any football game....... Basketball players play offense and defense so it is easier for one player to make a difference. I mean because IH got beat by a score that didn't represent the actual game, doesn't discount any one player on IH's team nor their ability to be great. That was an idiotic thing to say! Lebron lost to Roger Bacon his freshman year, does that mean he wasn't as good as everyone said he was, or he's obviously not Michael Jordan or he wouldn't have lost in a D II High School Championship game. Come on guys, you all can do better than this.
 
It’s funny that people continue to defend Wyomings schedule. They simply will not play any team that will test them. If that’s what they think is best then good for them. There’s nothing wrong with observing other powerhouse programs seeking out tough opponents so they are battle tested by playoff time. Saying Wyoming’s schedule is as good as, or better than any other CHL team is meaningless.
it is hard to schedule for wyoming. we used to play chca, which is a good match up, but they declined to renew the home-and-home. we played taft forever; but they struggle to field a JV team and we have one. we started up with columbus academy, but they declined to renew. we just finished up a home-and-home with harrison. also, there are lots of wyoming teams and a limited budget. so that is a consideration too.
 
I was at the Harrison vs. IH game and I see a lot of disrespect for Harrison here. That team has a really good RB who is hard to tackle and very physical. Their QB is legit when passing. They have many athletes on both sides of the ball. I am not calling them world beaters, but a modest Harrison team is easy to say if you haven't seen them play. They are strong on both lines and very well coached. They will make some noise come playoff time. IH was in the game until interception number 3 before half. That simply changed the game. The Lebron James reference is hillarious. I mean I didn't know 1 football player determines a football game? Please name one football player that controls the outcome of any football game....... Basketball players play offense and defense so it is easier for one player to make a difference. I mean because IH got beat by a score that didn't represent the actual game, doesn't discount any one player on IH's team nor their ability to be great. That was an idiotic thing to say! Lebron lost to Roger Bacon his freshman year, does that mean he wasn't as good as everyone said he was, or he's obviously not Michael Jordan or he wouldn't have lost in a D II High School Championship game. Come on guys, you all can do better than this.
I saw Braxton Miller almost single-handedly beat St. X in a playoff game, in a year when St. X's team was hands-down better than Huber Heights Wayne's team-- he did pretty much everything on offense in that game... more than a decade ago, I saw Jalin Marshall NEARLY do the same thing for Middletown against X-- he was virtually Middletown's whole offense, and practically took the game on his shoulders-- and almost won it... Transcendent athletes can do that, even in football-- the kid at Roger Bacon a few years ago, Cory Kiner, beat some of the teams they played all by himself-- he really didn't need much blocking against some of the lesser teams because he was a man amongst boys, at that level-- that's why he was often pulled after the first half (after already scoring 3-4 TDs on long runs)...

It happens all the time, even in football-- but (as I noted) the kid at IH is NOT at that level-- it just seemed (nearly-- I used the words "a little bit") like he could do anything he wanted against Wyoming last year-- my statement was qualified-- I clearly stated that this kid at IH is not a LeBron James level athlete (BTW, LeBron also played TE for Akron SVSM, at least for a while)... Oh, and I knew the Bungles season was over last year, the minute Joe Burrow came off the field against the Ravens, wringing his hand in pain-- the Bungles will go nowhere without him-- but have been considered Super Bowl contenders with him (though, on yesterday's evidence, the Bungles are not even a playoff team WITH Joe Burrow).

As for Harrison, we shall see... they've never really done anything in the playoffs (even at Division II)-- when they do, be sure to let me know about it. They usually find anybody from Loveland, to Kings, to Anderson, to Winton Woods, to LaSalle, to be far too much for them.

As for IH, I somehow doubt that the game turned on a single play (an interception)-- they were down far enough to have a running clock-- by ANY definition, that is a rout... but perhaps you were watching the game wearing your Indian Hill rose-colored glasses...?
 
Something to note about that Indian Hill Harrison game is that Indian hill has been missing their senior linebacker the past 2 games and they asked a freshman to step up into his role which put a hole in the defense. Not much to say about a running clock and unfair to say it would’ve changed the outcome of the game but that adds some context to what happened Friday night. Hopefully he can make a return this season he holds a few D1 FCS offers and it’ll be interesting to see their defense in Chl play when or if he returns
 
I saw Braxton Miller almost single-handedly beat St. X in a playoff game, in a year when St. X's team was hands-down better than Huber Heights Wayne's team-- he did pretty much everything on offense in that game... more than a decade ago, I saw Jalin Marshall NEARLY do the same thing for Middletown against X-- he was virtually Middletown's whole offense, and practically took the game on his shoulders-- and almost won it... Transcendent athletes can do that, even in football-- the kid at Roger Bacon a few years ago, Cory Kiner, beat some of the teams they played all by himself-- he really didn't need much blocking against some of the lesser teams because he was a man amongst boys, at that level-- that's why he was often pulled after the first half (after already scoring 3-4 TDs on long runs)...

It happens all the time, even in football-- but (as I noted) the kid at IH is NOT at that level-- it just seemed (nearly-- I used the words "a little bit") like he could do anything he wanted against Wyoming last year-- my statement was qualified-- I clearly stated that this kid at IH is not a LeBron James level athlete (BTW, LeBron also played TE for Akron SVSM, at least for a while)... Oh, and I knew the Bungles season was over last year, the minute Joe Burrow came off the field against the Ravens, wringing his hand in pain-- the Bungles will go nowhere without him-- but have been considered Super Bowl contenders with him (though, on yesterday's evidence, the Bungles are not even a playoff team WITH Joe Burrow).

As for Harrison, we shall see... they've never really done anything in the playoffs (even at Division II)-- when they do, be sure to let me know about it. They usually find anybody from Loveland, to Kings, to Anderson, to Winton Woods, to LaSalle, to be far too much for them.

As for IH, I somehow doubt that the game turned on a single play (an interception)-- they were down far enough to have a running clock-- by ANY definition, that is a rout... but perhaps you were watching the game wearing your Indian Hill rose-colored glasses...?
IH down 21-13 with an IH interception run back to the 1 yard line with about a minute to go before halftime. Brought back by a block in the back. Next play is an interception that gave Harrison a free TD going into the half where they got the ball back to start the half. I think that’s a big turn of events that changes the game. IH now has to turn to a passing game after Harrison scores 1st in 2nd half. So 2 more INT’s after that and yeah it’s a route. But yeah I had IH glasses on! I had on football glasses that evaluated the now not the past! Harrison may run into those teams and yes those are really good programs, that doesn’t discount Harrison’s talent level. There’s only one team that walks away with a ship!
You talk about Braxton Miller and Middletown, you’re talking about D-1 teams vs D-1 teams that are very well matched up. The bottom line is, those teams still lost! That’s the point, none of those guys did it all. The IH kid and a lot of other kids put teams on their back but sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Kiner from Roger Bacon was and is a very good back and Roger bacon had a solid team. You can mention anyone you want but my point is, who compared this kid to LeBron James? No one but you. That’s the craziness, let these kids be kids. They are talented and I’m sure way more talented than you or me. Don’t discredit them by making unfair comparisons! That’s stupid.
 
IH down 21-13 with an IH interception run back to the 1 yard line with about a minute to go before halftime. Brought back by a block in the back. Next play is an interception that gave Harrison a free TD going into the half where they got the ball back to start the half. I think that’s a big turn of events that changes the game. IH now has to turn to a passing game after Harrison scores 1st in 2nd half. So 2 more INT’s after that and yeah it’s a route. But yeah I had IH glasses on! I had on football glasses that evaluated the now not the past! Harrison may run into those teams and yes those are really good programs, that doesn’t discount Harrison’s talent level. There’s only one team that walks away with a ship!
You talk about Braxton Miller and Middletown, you’re talking about D-1 teams vs D-1 teams that are very well matched up. The bottom line is, those teams still lost! That’s the point, none of those guys did it all. The IH kid and a lot of other kids put teams on their back but sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Kiner from Roger Bacon was and is a very good back and Roger bacon had a solid team. You can mention anyone you want but my point is, who compared this kid to LeBron James? No one but you. That’s the craziness, let these kids be kids. They are talented and I’m sure way more talented than you or me. Don’t discredit them by making unfair comparisons! That’s stupid.
Yes-- I compared him to LeBron James-- and said, very clearly, he is NOT in that class of athlete... you and the "RealityKing" seem to be missing that piece of reality... that's where the stupidity comes in. (By the way, HH Wayne did NOT "still lose"-- Braxton Miller made an outrageous play with both his feet and his arm, at the end of the game, to score the winning TD-- and HH Wayne defeated St. X, in a game that, by all rights, HH Wayne had NO business winning-- it was just one of numerous "magical" plays that Miller pulled off in that game.)

Kiner, at the Division V level was able to make plays happen almost all by himself-- I saw CJ Hester do it at the Division IV level-- and he was not at Kiner's level.

Nobody said that Harrison needed to win a "ship", as you call it, to be considered more than a modest program-- how about a couple of playoff wins (in the watered down, expanded playoffs) to start-- I don't think I ever recall Harrison even making a playoff regional final... Let me know when Harrison achieves even that level of success-- and then maybe we can say that they have progressed beyond being a "moderate"-ly good team.
 
Why is IH throwing the ball so much that picks change the game? That game should be decided by Daniel getting the rock, not by bad picks.
 
Yes-- I compared him to LeBron James-- and said, very clearly, he is NOT in that class of athlete... you and the "RealityKing" seem to be missing that piece of reality... that's where the stupidity comes in. (By the way, HH Wayne did NOT "still lose"-- Braxton Miller made an outrageous play with both his feet and his arm, at the end of the game, to score the winning TD-- and HH Wayne defeated St. X, in a game that, by all rights, HH Wayne had NO business winning-- it was just one of numerous "magical" plays that Miller pulled off in that game.)

Kiner, at the Division V level was able to make plays happen almost all by himself-- I saw CJ Hester do it at the Division IV level-- and he was not at Kiner's level.

Nobody said that Harrison needed to win a "ship", as you call it, to be considered more than a modest program-- how about a couple of playoff wins (in the watered down, expanded playoffs) to start-- I don't think I ever recall Harrison even making a playoff regional final... Let me know when Harrison achieves even that level of success-- and then maybe we can say that they have progressed beyond being a "moderate"-ly good team.
You are proving my point. You said these guys did it themselves, no they didn’t! Guys have to block, guys had to catch Braxton balls, no one blocks for LeBron, he can dribble up and score by himself. If he passes and guys miss shots, it doesn’t matter who he is, he can’t beat 5 guys by himself. Braxton threw to very good players who also could make plays. I’m not sure if you ever played a sport because anyone can beat anyone on any given day. You saw these guys dominate everyone, but Braxton lost and when I said lost, I wasn’t referring to the St. X game. Who cares if you saw that game, that same team lost 4 games that year. I’m sure they were better than some of those teams and still lost. That’s the point. Comparing kids to Lebron is stupid, he’s one of a kind. Find me a kid that is a Lebron, you can’t, because none of the kids you named are lebron level kids. Last I checked, there are many players in the NBA not named LeBron and still have had solid careers. Your analogy is pointless and me responding to you has already been a waist of my time. You would have been better off just saying the kid is not on a Corey Kiner or Braxton Miller level, that would be more realistic than using Lebron. I mean none of your high school hero’s were either.
 
I don't think you understand how scheduling works. Which 'tough opponents' should they seek out who will in-turn agree to play Wyoming in the non-con?
I don’t need a lesson on scheduling. I don’t care. I never said they need to change. If they are happy it’s fine. I commented on the people that defend their schedule when we can all clearly see what it is year after year. And we can see what other contenders do every year.
 
I was at the Harrison vs. IH game and I see a lot of disrespect for Harrison here. That team has a really good RB who is hard to tackle and very physical. Their QB is legit when passing. They have many athletes on both sides of the ball. I am not calling them world beaters, but a modest Harrison team is easy to say if you haven't seen them play. They are strong on both lines and very well coached. They will make some noise come playoff time. IH was in the game until interception number 3 before half. That simply changed the game. The Lebron James reference is hillarious. I mean I didn't know 1 football player determines a football game? Please name one football player that controls the outcome of any football game....... Basketball players play offense and defense so it is easier for one player to make a difference. I mean because IH got beat by a score that didn't represent the actual game, doesn't discount any one player on IH's team nor their ability to be great. That was an idiotic thing to say! Lebron lost to Roger Bacon his freshman year, does that mean he wasn't as good as everyone said he was, or he's obviously not Michael Jordan or he wouldn't have lost in a D II High School Championship game. Come on guys, you all can do better than this.
LeBron James’ team lost the finals to RB his soph year. Not his freshman year.
 
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