CFP Title Game: Michigan vs Washington

Who wins?


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To be fair, their best RB was injured late last week against Texas and then had his ankle rolled on the first offensive snap last night. He wasn't even half the back he showed in the Pac 12 title game against Oregon.
Actually I believe Johnson was struggling with his foot most of the season. Washington was a good team, not great, they won alot of close games, but they won those game.
 
I confess that my hate for Harbaugh is so bad it completely distorts my normally objective look at the game. In reality, yes, michigan gets some credit. That said, I've watched a half dozen Washington games this year and they were not ready to play. Clearly last night Michigan was better.
I'm partly to blame for believing Washington was better than they showed. They were not and I misjudged them.
I refuse to concede that Michigan is a great team...I just can't bring myself that low...Fair enough?
Fair enough. And I appreciate your post. Michigan is a very solid team. They are the best team in college football for 2023. They are the 2023 National Champions. As a Michigan fan, that is good enough. They don't have to be the greatest team of all time. There are many champions in many sports that may not rank as a great team. But that doesn't matter when they are hoisting the trophy. Fair enough?
 
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I confess that my hate for Harbaugh is so bad it completely distorts my normally objective look at the game. In reality, yes, michigan gets some credit. That said, I've watched a half dozen Washington games this year and they were not ready to play. Clearly last night Michigan was better.
I'm partly to blame for believing Washington was better than they showed. They were not and I misjudged them.
I refuse to concede that Michigan is a great team...I just can't bring myself that low...Fair enough?
Fair enough. If Michigan is somehow cleared and won fairly, than yes they are a great team. If it is proven they got to the mountain top by cheating, no they are a tainted team.
 
An extremely physical swarming D. They manhandled everyone they played and they hit and tackled like an old school team.

People who never played the game do not understand what a physical defense does to you. QBs start to rush themselves and short arm their throws and WRs think about getting drilled and hate physical reroutes. Then there is the timing aspect. Penix overthrew a wide open Oduze at one point because UM never really allowed them to get into that rhythm. I'm not a UM fan, but as a former defensive player and coach it was extremely fun to watch.
You are completely right and I was a defensive player. My hate for Harbaugh destroy's any possible joy I might otherwise have gotten. Plus, I drastically overestimated Washington. So I'm having a tough time being objective. OK? It's far easier to say Washington stunk...:)
 
Tattoogate at Ohio State
"Tattoogate" rocked Ohio State with scandal in 2010, eventually forcing the resignation of head coach Jim Tressel and the suspension of a couple of key players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

The players traded Ohio State memorabilia for tattoos or cash at a local tattoo parlor, which was a MAJOR violation of NCAA rules and resulted in significant penalties.

Pryor eventually withdrew from the university prior to the '11 season, and the program was hit with a one-year bowl ban and three lost scholarships.
 
Winning games and playing for championships didn't help to keep players from leaving? Did Hairball create his culture the right way?
It depends on the knowledge he had, degree thereof, or lack of Harbaugh had.

I can almost see that he could have known nothing. I can see him knowing something, but making it clear that he doesn't want to hear one word about it. I have great difficulty seeing him authorize and directly participating in it.

Drawing on my experience playing the game, if a head coach is watching film, he is going to see those occasions where his offense checked into the exact right play or his defense made a last minute change that was perfect. That will cause him to ask how/why they did that. What was he told on those occasions?

Another bit of evidence would be that a head coach has a sense of how often it happens that a perfect check or adjustment is made. When it happens more frequently than normal, he isn't going to assume he has an entire staff of geniuses, but is going to ask them what prompted it.

For those reasons, my best theory is that he knew something unusual was happening, but did his best to not know exactly what it was because it was helping his team.

I imagine it went something like this:

JH: "What cued you to make that check?"

OC: "You don't want to know."

JH: "OK. Let's keep it that way "
 
Tattoogate at Ohio State
"Tattoogate" rocked Ohio State with scandal in 2010, eventually forcing the resignation of head coach Jim Tressel and the suspension of a couple of key players, including quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

The players traded Ohio State memorabilia for tattoos or cash at a local tattoo parlor, which was a MAJOR violation of NCAA rules and resulted in significant penalties.

Pryor eventually withdrew from the university prior to the '11 season, and the program was hit with a one-year bowl ban and three lost scholarships.
Old news and meaningless today (IMHO). 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 .
 
So why did Michigan suspend Hairball for three games if they weren't admitting guilt? Why did they fire their linebacker coach? Hasn't Michigan seen the preliminary results of the investigation? There is no question of guilt. It is a question of how deep and who knew and participated in the cheating.
There is no doubt in my mind Harbaugh knew what was going on. He didnt put up a fight during the second suspension. He wanted it to just go away. He actually used it as a rallying cry and it brought the team together. It is what it is, they won and nothing will come out of this.
 
It depends on the knowledge he had, degree thereof, or lack of Harbaugh had.

I can almost see that he could have known nothing. I can see him knowing something, but making it clear that he doesn't want to hear one word about it. I have great difficulty seeing him authorize and directly participating in it.

Drawing on my experience playing the game, if a head coach is watching film, he is going to see those occasions where his offense checked into the exact right play or his defense made a last minute change that was perfect. That will cause him to ask how/why they did that. What was he told on those occasions?

Another bit of evidence would be that a head coach has a sense of how often it happens that a perfect check or adjustment is made. When it happens more frequently than normal, he isn't going to assume he has an entire staff of geniuses, but is going to ask them what prompted it.

For those reasons, my best theory is that he knew something unusual was happening, but did his best to not know exactly what it was because it was helping his team.

I imagine it went something like this:

JH: "What cued you to make that check?"

OC: "You don't want to know."

JH: "OK. Let's keep it that way "
I heard on a couple of podcasts that Jay Harbaugh was in close association with Stalions sign stealing scandal. This is all very entertaining and it is the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Old news and meaningless today (IMHO). 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 😴 .
What it means is, if that incident was considered a major violation at the time, what will the sign stealing scandal be considered now? Tattoogate didn't affect any other teams. It was all internal. Sign stealing numerous teams, some multiple times, over a two and half years. This should be considered super major violations. Not just one investigation, but two investigations. Double the fun.😁
 
What it means is, if that incident was considered a major violation at the time, what will the sign stealing scandal be considered now? Tattoogate didn't affect any other teams. It was all internal. Sign stealing numerous teams, some multiple times, over a two and half years. This should be considered super major violations. Not just one investigation, but two investigations. Double the fun.😁
Rule needs changed and every NCAA coach I have listened to on TV, advocates for mics in the helmets. Problem solved. And it is coming.
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Rule needs changed and every NCAA coach I have listened to on TV, advocates for mics in the helmets. Problem solved. And it is coming.
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Yes and NIL has made tattoo gate a non issue today. But it was a major infraction back when it happened. It doesn't matter if they change the rule in the future. What the rule is at the here and now is all that matters. It doesn't change the fact that Michigan broke the rules and cheated. 😁
 
Yes and NIL has made tattoo gate a non issue today. But it was a major infraction back when it happened. It doesn't matter if they change the rule in the future. What the rule is at the here and now is all that matters. It doesn't change the fact that Michigan broke the rules and cheated. 😁
We have gone over this enough. If guilty = punish. If not, get extra kleenex to cry into. For tonight and for quite awhile, it's celebration time for the Michigan Wolverines coaches, players, University, alum, fans, etc... HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
 
All that can be done now is to sit back and let the events unfold. There is no changing what has happened in the past. There is no way to right the wrong that was done to unsuspecting teams and players. Hopefully justice will be done.
He who laughs last laughs best. (y)
 
Physicality, toughness, Nasty D, Punishing ground game, and living in Bob's head is what it's all about.

Time to do the hokey pokey
 
A stat I just read:
Michigan is the first team to hold 15 different opponents to under 25 points in a single season since 1903.
I would think that is impressive. GoBlue!
That’s less impressive when you consider that most of their games were against Big Ten horse-and-buggy offenses and a miserable non-conference schedule.
 
That’s less impressive when you consider that most of their games were against Big Ten horse-and-buggy offenses and a miserable non-conference schedule.
Well, that is a long time period, so likely other teams have played a similar schedule. That said, I have little doubt that Michigan defenses from the '70s were likely much, much better statistically.
 
That’s less impressive when you consider that most of their games were against Big Ten horse-and-buggy offenses and a miserable non-conference schedule.
It is impressive considering how many teams there are and how many years it's been since it happened. I'm sure if it was your team, it would be more impressive.
 
After 2 decades in purgatory, you guys should feel pretty good.
Purgatory is a pretty strong word. And Michigan is still the all time winningest football program in the country. They own the head to head with the suckeyes. Michigan 61-51-6. Michigan Nattys: 12 suckeyes nattys: 8
And they will NEVER catch Michigan. "Hail to the Victors".
And here comes the garbage about when they happened. They all count and a Natty is a Natty. You don't get to decide which ones matter. They are all official Nattys per the governing body- The NCAA. Go Blue!
 
Purgatory is a pretty strong word. And Michigan is still the all time winningest football program in the country. They own the head to head with the suckeyes. Michigan 61-51-6. Michigan Nattys: 12 suckeyes nattys: 8
And they will NEVER catch Michigan. "Hail to the Victors".
And here comes the garbage about when they happened. They all count and a Natty is a Natty. You don't get to decide which ones matter. They are all official Nattys per the governing body- The NCAA. Go Blue!
You can enjoy all of those wins in the first 50 years, and I will take the last 50. And who has the highest winning percentage?
 
You can enjoy all of those wins in the first 50 years, and I will take the last 50. And who has the highest winning percentage?
They all mean the same. And on January 8, 2024, Michigan won the National Championship! Go Blue!
 
A stat I just read:
Michigan is the first team to hold 15 different opponents to under 25 points in a single season since 1903.
I would think that is impressive. GoBlue!
Context is only a handful of teams have played 15 games. But nevertheless, impressive. For about a hundred years, teams maxed out at 12 or 13 games.
 
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