bkmk1
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Because the Michigan DL kept pushing their OL into the backfield ALL NIGHT LONG! Go Blue!
CFP Title Game: Michigan vs Washington
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Orin Swift
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Michigan physically dominated Washington, but I think even the biggest of Michigan homers would agree Penix had a lot of bad throws even without pressure and his receivers were dropping the few easily catchable balls he did have. Likely doesn’t change the outcome though. Michigan brought it last night on defense, it was awesome to watch, scarlet and gray bias aside.
bkmk1
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So basically Michigan gets no credit from you. It's because 14-0 Washington stinks. Got it. I'll stick with my belief that Michigan was just physically too much for them and Jesse Minter as a DC had them confused. Michigan get's the credit more than Washington stinks. (IHMO).
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bob99
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I think by the end of the season, Alabama had their QB in place and would role Texas.
Big 12 Championship Game
The Big 12 Championship Game is a college football game held by the Big 12 Conference between the best and the second-best Big 12 team.
I think that would be Alabama and Texas. Alabama wins and would be conference champions.
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bkmk1
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Another classy post.
bob99
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Yes. And why did Michigan retain so many of their players during that run. No cheating? Good chance OSU would have won in 2021 2022. No big ten championship for Michigan in 2021 and 2022. No playoff appearances for Michigan in 2021 and 2022. How many players would have gone pro or transfer out? Good chance their recruiting would have been less successful.
Win more games, play more games, gain more practice, retain more players. You are right. Acquired by cheating.
14Red
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I'm seeing too many "Michigan dominated" posts.....do we not forget that they went OT last week with Alabama? I mean if not one last drive in the 4th quarter, none of this happens. What this tells me is that you play these last two weeks 4 times, and you may have 4 champions. I don't see any of the final four that were that far above the others.
bkmk1
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Bob, Bob, Bob, You just seem to not be able to understand reality. Michigan is the 2023 National Champions because they are the best team in college football. Case closed. If you are struggling with that, seek help. I know it must be difficult for you, and you have my sympathy, but it's time to let that frustration go. I'd hate to see you have the Big One - Elizabeth. (Sanford and Son - in case you or anyone was wondering). Go Blue!
They were head and shoulders the more physical team. You'll get no argument from me there. UW's line was atrocious. I'm just providing context on why Penix Jr. may have been a step or two slower in the second half.
bkmk1
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After all, this thread is titled: CFP title game: Michigan vs. Washington. Winning close games I thought was considered a good thing. Teams had a chance, but the Michigan defense and the "boa constrictor" offense took over when the chips were down. That's what National Champions do. Go Blue!
bob99
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How many of the wins were won because of cheating? How many other teams were cheated out of wins and championships? Were other players on opposing teams cheated of accolades and possible higher draft positions?
Any coaches fired because of their teams performance against a cheating Michigan team? Rules that are in place.
Tattoogate. A rule that was in place was broken. Did this scandal affect any other teams or players on other teams?
Bowl ban, probation, reduction in scholarships and Head Coach Tressel forced out. In today's world of NIL this wouldn't even get a second look. But that was the rule at the time and was rightly enforced. Same as Sign Stealing Scandal. It doesn't matter if the NCAA goes to radio equipped helmets in the future. The rules Michigan broke are the rules the NCAA has played under for many years. Michigan knew the rules and knowingly and willingly broke them for personal gain. They cheated.
adselder09
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To be fair, their best RB was injured late last week against Texas and then had his ankle rolled on the first offensive snap last night. He wasn't even half the back he showed in the Pac 12 title game against Oregon.
bob99
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No my friend. If the NCAA does what is right and just, the case is just getting started. Ohio States took their lumps for tattoo gate. That was a minor offense compared to what Michigan did. Tell the truth and quit deflecting. Did Michigan cheat? Are you an honest, truthful man?
Well, I try to avoid quantifying things that I have no means of objectively doing so. I believe/sense/assume by the preponderance of evidence and simple logic that some of their success, and the intangibles that resulted from that success, that these things were aided by knowing the signals of other teams. But I have to stop there.
Harbaugh created a culture where his players cared more about that disgusting Block M than getting to the NFL That's why he got players to stay for a 5th, 6th, and even 7th year.
Orin Swift
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Maybe you want to talk about the Michigan-Bowling Green, as well?
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bob99
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MickeyMantle
And what did I post was untruthful? Why do you think it is funny to cheat and thumb your nose at the integrity of college football? And if the tables were turned, you are going to tell me that it would have been ok for Ohio State to do what Michigan did and face no repercussions?
And what did I post was untruthful? Why do you think it is funny to cheat and thumb your nose at the integrity of college football? And if the tables were turned, you are going to tell me that it would have been ok for Ohio State to do what Michigan did and face no repercussions?
adselder09
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Because how else are you going to determine who's good or not? Eye test?
These teams don't play each other, records clearly don't matter (see FSU) so how do you expect them fill out a bracket of 4 teams, based on 12 games where most of the top teams don't play one another?
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bob99
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Fair enough. Hopefully the NCAA does their due diligence and get busy on the two Michigan infractions they are under investigation.
adselder09
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NCAA also has far less power now than it did then during tattoo gate.
adselder09
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It's not a criteria right now, but it's a piece if the resume to differentiate teams, to give one an edge over another.
There was one season that OSU got in the Playoff instead of B1G Champ Penn St, and I believe it was the year the Buckeyes got blasted 30-0 by Clemson.
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bkmk1
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I am a truthful man. Yes. And I have been on record as writing: If the investigation concludes that Michigan cheated and Harbaugh or Minter, or any coach knew and was a part of it, they should be punished. But as of this moment, the investigation is still ongoing. Stallions is gone. We shall let the process play out, and see what happens. "Hail to the Victors"!
bob99
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How many teams in the power conferences would you consider power teams? If the clear 4 best teams are in the sec, are the 4 best teams playing in the playoffs? Since 2014 has there been a team out of the Pac or the Big 12 that had a legitimate chance of winning the natty? I like Cincinnati, but did they really belong in the playoffs? I would say that the 4 teams playoffs have been a sham. Has the best 4 teams in a given year ever all made the playoffs? Never should have been 2 teams or 4 teams. Should have been now and then an 8 team playoffs. No bye advantage for anyone. 8 teams would surely get the 4 or 5 best teams in the playoffs. Play an equal number of games and have a proven winner.
bob99
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So why did Michigan suspend Hairball for three games if they weren't admitting guilt? Why did they fire their linebacker coach? Hasn't Michigan seen the preliminary results of the investigation? There is no question of guilt. It is a question of how deep and who knew and participated in the cheating.
bob99
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Winning games and playing for championships didn't help to keep players from leaving? Did Hairball create his culture the right way?
MickeyMantle
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It's a lot of conjecture and a lot of jumping to conclusions because you want a more comfortable excuse for OSU getting curb stomped by a more physical team in 2021 and 2022. The game was closer this year because OSU actually put a defense on the field.
The strength and conditioning coach at Michigan had a way bigger impact on the past three years than this nonsense.
I had my share of fun with my friends who are fans of OSU back during the tattoo thing, but I always thought those kids were screwed over. Of course, using your logic, had they not been allowed to break the rules, who would have stayed? Who knows? Logically speaking, I'd not be too concerned with cell phone video when the same thing could be done on game day.
bkmk1
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We will all find out together. A lot of this doesn't make sense. Why did the Big10 suspend him after he gets on a plane heading to State College, PA. Seriously? Why only 3 games. Why not the rest of the season including the playoffs? Why has the NCAA done nothing at all? Again: It's let the process play itself out. So relax. I really don't want your blood pressure to get too high. I would miss seeing your posts on here.
bob99
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I posted what the rule is for illegal video taping and in person attending and filming future opponents sidelines. There is no jumping to conclusions. It happened and has been proven to have happened. The only question is how deep did it goes. How did a $55,000 a year recruiting analysis afford to pull this off? Others had to be funding and other knew about and were willing participants. Logically you should be concerned or you are delusional and are living in a fantasy world.
I confess that my hate for Harbaugh is so bad it completely distorts my normally objective look at the game. In reality, yes, michigan gets some credit. That said, I've watched a half dozen Washington games this year and they were not ready to play. Clearly last night Michigan was better.
I'm partly to blame for believing Washington was better than they showed. They were not and I misjudged them.
I refuse to concede that Michigan is a great team...I just can't bring myself that low...Fair enough?
bob99
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The NCAA always moves at a snail pace. Does the NCAA take precedence over the Big 10?
"Both the Big Ten Conference and NCAA may impose sanctions upon the Michigan football program and individuals involved in the sign-stealing scheme. Due to respective Big Ten and NCAA rules, the Big Ten can take swifter and more immediate action against any of its member schools.Nov 20, 2023"
Stay tuned.