When did a national poll title or state-title winning Moeller team have one playoff game?
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When did a national poll title or state-title winning Moeller team have one playoff game?
Who said they never won a playoff game?
consumerman
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tend to be, based on what?
what makes servite the best team in california in 1982?
what is your proof?
Are you denying that apart from DLS, the center of power for high school football is in SoCal?
Hey, California folks, care to weigh in here?
Servite was the highest ranked team in California that year, despite their loss to Moe. I find it ironic that the lack of a statewide playoff system in California isn't allowed to affect DLS, but now you use it to cast doubt on Servite.
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In their state title and national title years, there were few if any playoff games that were at all close.
What are you doing? Throwing as much crap at the wall as possible to see what will stick?
BTW, from '75-'79 Moeller played two playoff games. Starting in 1980 that changed to three and then in 1985 it was four.
Embarrassment.
Full of crap.
But consistent.
consumerman
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ranked by who?
what san diego area school champ did they beat?
what ccs power did they beat?
what north coast section power (BTW DLS was undefeated that year) did they beat?
what san joaquin section champ did they beat?
what sacramanet area power did they beat?
oh an opinionated ranking, that's it
that is your proof that servite was unquestionably the best team in california????
bTW ST X was rated 5th by USA Today in 2005, do you agree with that ranking?
consumerman
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In their state title and national title years, there were few if any playoff games that were at all close.
here is my research
first in the period 1975-1985 moeller did NOT win 7 state championships
they played in 7 title games (big deal, means they won one playof game to get there in most years)
they went 6-1, which means in 4 years they couldnt even win one playoff game
1975 won despite scoring only 14 points (14-12)
1976 won
1977 won (despite scoring only 14 points)
1978 NOT THERE
1979 NOT THERE
1980 won
1981 LOST (shutout)
1982 won
1983 NOT THERE
1984 NOT THERE
1985 won
in the Faust years Moeller either did not make it or scored 14 points or fewer or lost 4 of 6 years
DLS went from 1990 to 2001 never scoring less than 21 points
2 impressive wins in 6 years and that does not consider any of their first round games
moeller dominated?
care to think that one again?
here is my research
first in the period 1975-1985 moeller did NOT win 7 state championships
they played in 7 title games (big deal, means they won one playof game to get there in most years)
they went 6-1, which means in 4 years they couldnt even win one playoff game
1975 won despite scoring only 14 points (14-12)
1976 won
1977 won (despite scoring only 14 points)
1978 NOT THERE
1979 NOT THERE
1980 won
1981 LOST (shutout)
1982 won
1983 NOT THERE
1984 NOT THERE
1985 won
in the Faust years Moeller either did not make it or scored 14 points or fewer or lost 4 of 6 years
DLS went from 1990 to 2001 never scoring less than 21 points
2 impressive wins in 6 years and that does not consider any of their first round games
moeller dominated?
care to think that one again?
consumerman
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so you still think servite was without a doubt the #1 team in california in 1982?
based on an opinionated ranking (and the first year attempting to do that)?
based on an opinionated ranking (and the first year attempting to do that)?
I think that's where they were ranked. If you have better information, do tell. Call Beuerlein, maybe he can help.
consumerman
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so oyou stand by an opinionated ranking as your proof
same old concha
yes socal has more football teams and overall is better
that does not meet the BEST team is ALWAYS from Socal as was proven in 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002 etc
BTW Mater Dei was ranked #1 by USA Today in 1994 and 1996
they were ranked BELOW DLS in state polls those years
don't forget LA is a big market and ranking a team highly out there sells newspapers
consumerman
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I personally saw ST Francis in 1982 manhandle Bellarmine (state #1 team ranked in 1981) twice
they were undefeated
who says they would lose to servite?
From 1975 - 1985:
7 Ohio D1 titles
5 national poll titles
In one year they lost by one to champion Princeton (from their region, BTW)
In another year they traded games with eventual champion and USA Today national #2 Princeton.
This while playing in a statewide tournament and having another of the best teams in the country just a few miles away. Not to mention the likes of Massillon and McKinley from Northeastern Ohio, two of the legendary programs of high school football in the nation. Yet they lost just five games in 11 years, one of which was actually forfeited later on as the other team used ineligible players.
Anyone who saw those Moeller teams play (and I did) would tell you they were a dynasty. In those years their lowest scholie player turnout was 14 and they had 27 seniors get scholies on their 1982 team (they had 24 in '79 and '81).
The guy at USA Today, I guess. If you don't think Servite was the best, then more power to you. I couldn't care less.
consumerman
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please name the years
the source I have says six (see above where I went year by year 1975-85, my guess would be 1979)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,946435,00.html
From back in the day.
Ohio State Champions:
75
76 + Nat'l Poll Champ
77 + Nat'l Poll Champ
79 + Nat'l Poll Champ
80 + Nat'l Poll Champ
82 + Nat'l Poll Champ
85
From back in the day.
Ohio State Champions:
75
76 + Nat'l Poll Champ
77 + Nat'l Poll Champ
79 + Nat'l Poll Champ
80 + Nat'l Poll Champ
82 + Nat'l Poll Champ
85
steeler 01
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Even though I believe DLS was the best team in 2002. They didn't beat the best team in SoCal. They beat a Poly team that lost to Mater Dei in the semi's. Mater Dei went on to get crushed by Los Al in the finals.
WoodyHayes
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Those were some great teams
I can not speak about the Cali teams at the time, but I have never saw teams that were as good as Moeller before or since. I remember watching them warm up and even the kicker was nailing 50 yarders. People would have just had to see it to get the full effect. Its hard to describe it in words.
I remember being in the stands and hearing parents from the opposing team saying things like "They shouldn't let them play high school teams". They even had ultra-cool unis.
You may enjoy this, Woody. A video report by Pete Rose about Moeller football from 1982. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the other guy in the opening sequence, he is Nick Clooney, father of George Clooney and the brother of the famous singer Rosemary Clooney.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9jX__ZzZT0U&feature=related
Yes, you are correct. It was Hudson's record that DLS eclipsed in the 90's.
The 1999 Shreveport Evangel team was beyond awesome.
I also remember reading about those Ohio teams back in the day. Moeller was def one of the all time greats.
The Faust led Moeller teams I saw were the best combination of coaching, talent, and discipline I have yet to see on the gridiron, keeping in context with the times of course. And yes, Pat Mancuso had Princeton playing at an incredible level during the same time period. (Where does the time go?) Elder, Upper Arlington, Centerville, and many others were no walks in the park in the late 70's
DLS's accomplishments are numerically superior than Moellers.But be fair, DLS's playoffs between 99-2004, were merely scrimmages. Their sterner tests usually being held in the first 5 weeks. DLS had less worry about attrition, or perhaps playing a team on a hot streak, or a resurgent Poly or Buchanan in say 01' while injuries are adding up on their side. The strength and weight program was built around a peak at week 5 and 13. And their accomplishments are mind certainly mindboggling. Maybe though playing in a scrupulously organized playoff system, designed to match the best programs from all over the state, the chances of DLS slipping up maybe increases. Yes I believe Moeller had a tougher challenge week to week, on the field as well as dealing with media frenzy. By dominating Ohio's big school division to such an extent, and routing champions from football proud states such as Texas, Penn, Mich, plus Monsigor Farrell out of Staten Island, and DeMatha, Moeller gained a national reputation far earlier in their dynasty period than DLS. National spotlight from 76' on. Under the microscope was Moeller. Really, until DLS whipped Mated Dei,nobody outside of NorCal took them seriously. Who was the better or bigger program? All things being equal ( remember Moeller spared no expense, 1st class in everything) I believe Moeller ran a more sophisticated program. Even in those pre-internet days, the casual sports fan was familier with Moeller. Moe garnered television coverage on nearly every major sports program as well as many other shows of varying type. Oh and yeah, the offensive line exploded off the ball just like DLS, only with bigger guys
I don't believe Ohio HS football has the competitivness from the public schools now than during that time period. Outside of the GCL, Moeller coming to your town to play your boys was an event! ( See Centerville 1980) From 75-80 they were more dominant on a state and national stage than any hs football team ever.
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huh?
consumerman
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just curious if moeller ever defeated the #1 ranked team in the country as de las salle did in 2001 (despite the loss they still finished #3 in the nation)
just curious if moeller ever defeated a team that finished the season as the #2 ranked team in the country as dls did in 1998
moeller became a power circa 15 years after faust began coaching
de la salle had an undefeated championship in coach lad's fourth season
they had a 44 game win streak starting in coach lad's sixth season
they had a 34 game win streak started in coach lad's tenth season
they started a 151 game win streak in coach lad's 14th season
I would say the premise that moeller under faust established themselves prominently much faster than dls is not established by real facts
just curious if moeller ever defeated a team that finished the season as the #2 ranked team in the country as dls did in 1998
moeller became a power circa 15 years after faust began coaching
de la salle had an undefeated championship in coach lad's fourth season
they had a 44 game win streak starting in coach lad's sixth season
they had a 34 game win streak started in coach lad's tenth season
they started a 151 game win streak in coach lad's 14th season
I would say the premise that moeller under faust established themselves prominently much faster than dls is not established by real facts
consumerman
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DLS's playoffs between 99-2004, were merely scrimmages
ask michigan about dennis dixon
who is dennis dixon? he only played on a team that went undefeated three straight years,... except for getting smashed by dls in the section final
scrimmage?
get real
ask michigan about dennis dixon
who is dennis dixon? he only played on a team that went undefeated three straight years,... except for getting smashed by dls in the section final
scrimmage?
get real
consumerman
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Maybe though playing in a scrupulously organized playoff system, designed to match the best programs from all over the state, the chances of DLS slipping up maybe increases
california is MUCH larger than ohio
to ask dls to compete in a full state playoff would be equal to moeller having to win (more than a piddly two games) in ohio (say 5) then having another two games with champions from other states
you need several states plus ohip to equal the population of california
PS
california hasnt fared too badly against ohio teams in the herbie
that isnt a far fetched opinion
but on the field results
california is MUCH larger than ohio
to ask dls to compete in a full state playoff would be equal to moeller having to win (more than a piddly two games) in ohio (say 5) then having another two games with champions from other states
you need several states plus ohip to equal the population of california
PS
california hasnt fared too badly against ohio teams in the herbie
that isnt a far fetched opinion
but on the field results
consumerman
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Really, until DLS whipped Mated Dei,nobody outside of NorCal took them seriously
the first game was in 1998
DLS was ranked in USA Today's year end poll in 1985, 13 years prior
DLS was ranked in USA Today final top ten in 1988, 10 years prior
DLS was ranked #3 in USA Today's final top ten poll in 1992, 6 years prior
DLS won the National Prep Poll Championship in 1994, 4 years earlier
once again your biased ohio opinion did not look at facts before trying to make moeller look better than dls
do some research next time
the first game was in 1998
DLS was ranked in USA Today's year end poll in 1985, 13 years prior
DLS was ranked in USA Today final top ten in 1988, 10 years prior
DLS was ranked #3 in USA Today's final top ten poll in 1992, 6 years prior
DLS won the National Prep Poll Championship in 1994, 4 years earlier
once again your biased ohio opinion did not look at facts before trying to make moeller look better than dls
do some research next time
consumerman
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From 75-80 they were more dominant on a state and national stage than any hs football team ever.
beyond ludicrous
dls had a 151 game win streak for 12 years and were named a national #1 by at least 1 poll in 1994, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. In 1996 they were ranked second to Mater Dei, which incidentally was ranked BELOW DLS in state polls.
moeller had 4 excellent years in 6 years
that does not come close to comparing what dls did over 12 years or even just between 1998 and 2003
once again opinions for you, facts for dls
beyond ludicrous
dls had a 151 game win streak for 12 years and were named a national #1 by at least 1 poll in 1994, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. In 1996 they were ranked second to Mater Dei, which incidentally was ranked BELOW DLS in state polls.
moeller had 4 excellent years in 6 years
that does not come close to comparing what dls did over 12 years or even just between 1998 and 2003
once again opinions for you, facts for dls