Those are outstanding rushing numners and balanced. Wha are you talking about. I heard their offense dominated except for like 4 turnovers and several fubles they recovered for big losses? I was also told they were driving to tie the game at 8 when one of the "playmakers fumbled a pitch he where he would have walked in and tied the game? Is this true?
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Not at all. They gave Northridge 16 points right off the rip because of one pick six and one fumble return from mid field. Their offense was up and down the field at times but obtained a few penalties here and there. First half was brutal to watch. Second half was all Carlisle for the most part. We got our first touchdown with about 6 min to go in the 3rd quarter. It was 30-6 to start the 4th quarter and just not enough time to play catch-up with this run style offense.
Either way you look at it, they looked horrible. The offense didn’t execute and really didn’t show any fire. It’s gonna be a long season if they continue to turn the ball over.
Crazy Horse
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Fullback fumbled the ball driving with 5 minutes to go. Both backs ran the ball well. Just not a hurry up offense. Down big and we are still running dive. I’m sure Northridge was like sure go ahead and take the 3 to 4 yards and burn 40 seconds. Bad play calling. But you are right hard to compete with 4 turnover and two are took back to the house.
Crazy Horse
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Agreed, think the game has passed Clod up.
Crazy Horse
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Congrats to the Mohawks being 3-0, has to be exciting for them after the few years they have had.
So just to clarify. They would have lost the game
Even with the turnovers? Running the ball for 400 yds like they normally do is not a coach problem. You people get in here and just rail about this coach or that coach with no idea what is really going on in my opinion . Is it ever the kids fault for dropping a pitch that would have tires the game in the first quarter? Did that happen? I think it did but u won’t admit it? I’m sure your coach is no good not dating that at all. Just have some perspective is all
Even with the turnovers? Running the ball for 400 yds like they normally do is not a coach problem. You people get in here and just rail about this coach or that coach with no idea what is really going on in my opinion . Is it ever the kids fault for dropping a pitch that would have tires the game in the first quarter? Did that happen? I think it did but u won’t admit it? I’m sure your coach is no good not dating that at all. Just have some perspective is all
Crazy Horse
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Always have perspective, don’t know what you’re talking about a dropped pitch? Qb read the end wrong and knocked a pitch away and took it to the house? Is that what you’re referring to? Honestly think they would have had a chance with the turnover margin being as bad as it was. Just have to not run 8 minute drives when down 30-0. If I’m an opposing coach I’m going to give that to you all day long. Kids have a fault in this as well but the coach is the one who calls the plays. 400 yards against a horrid team isn’t good. That’s a team Carlisle should have beat. They lost to an inferior team. The fumble with 5 minutes to go was a difference maker.
IRLMN1999
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League standings after week 3
buckeye side
Valley View (3-0)
Eaton (3-0)
Brookville (3-0
Madison (3-0)
Carlisle (2-1)
Oakwood (2-1)
Waynesville (2-1)
Southwestern side
Bellbrook (1-2)
Monroe (1-2)
Ross (1-2)
Edgewood (0-3)
Franklin (0-3)
Who the heck wins the big school side?
buckeye side
Valley View (3-0)
Eaton (3-0)
Brookville (3-0
Madison (3-0)
Carlisle (2-1)
Oakwood (2-1)
Waynesville (2-1)
Southwestern side
Bellbrook (1-2)
Monroe (1-2)
Ross (1-2)
Edgewood (0-3)
Franklin (0-3)
Who the heck wins the big school side?
Crazy Horse
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Good question, think it’s wide open for the taking. I would have to take Bellbrook right now but it’s very close. VV is on a differnt level and they hung with them for awhile. Anyone can step up and take it though.
Agree they should win that game but Northridge is big and fast. Coach may suck as you say i don’t know. I do know those offenses are not built for the comeback for sure but they almost pulled it off. I heard about the QB bad read as well but I’m talking about early in the game Carlisle had the ball around the 15 and the HB drops the ball on a pitch that would have scored. That’s the problem with them in that conference u lose one u should have or could have won it magnifies everything else
Crazy Horse
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Was it a turnover? Or just a lost yardage? Don’t really remember it but if you say it happened then didn’t remember it. The turnovers are what stick out to me. Carlisle has a kid averaging 10 yards a pop and then a Fb that averages 3 yards a pop. I agree both of them ran well last night. They do complement each other very well. One shouldn’t have 34 Carrie’s to the others 18. Should be more balanced. That’s on a coach. Play calling when down 30-0 can’t be 8 minute drive. Have to be able to cut it down. We have different opinions and that’s okay that’s what life is about. I think it falls back on coach and his play calling and looking Pathetic in first half. Don’t know the in and outs of it all just there watching football. To lose to an inferior team is unacceptable to me. It happens a lot but the blame has to be put somewhere. Kids / coach. But where I stand it always falls back to the leadership.
IRLMN1999
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Bellbrook is very physical and have a nice offensive system. Once they figure out to be more consistent on the offensive side they will be very tough
Well been a while. So I’ll just say been following Carlisle in one form or another for 5 plus decades. As well as a couple of programs couldn’t tell you how many coaches I’ve seen come through good and very bad. Just my opinion obviously I had to think back and I believe 30 plus years Carlisle has lost to Northridge 4 times Clodfelter owns 3 of those in his 5 years. I couldn’t recall Northridge a missed extra point away from a running clock at halftime against Carlisle. It was way more than turnovers Northridge also put together 3 drives that could have resulted in TDs but was turnover on downs due to penalties and a dropped pass on 4th down TD for Northridge would have put it out of reach. It wasn’t so much Carlisle winning the 2nd half it was more Northridge never being here and scared so they started playing not to lose and trying to work the clock. Northridge ran zone right zone left 95% of the plays in 2nd half maybe 3 passes in must pass scenarios. Also absolutely no urgency with Carlisle Offense this coach sticks to his guns I get it but you have 10 plays how can’t after all these years not call the play from the line 20seconds between plays down 3 scores. You had them gassed at several points keep your foot on the gas how don’t you see this. Now mind you I’m old and respect the struggle and discipline but I don’t see any growth what so ever in the program I see a mindset of the teams in the early 90s where 3 wins and expectations was bottoms of the pack. I understand the Fullback dive in the triple sets up the pitch like body blow you create a numerical mismatch so the halfback gets a block he’s got a chance but you need to look at the athlete you have. You don’t have some of the Rbs you’ve had you have guys that are slot receivers like the kid that just graduated and #3 this year like playing Rb maybe come out of your comfort zone and go back to the chalkboard dating myself dry erase or laptop and restructure the offense teach pass pro and give a Qb a chance to develop. I have a feeling like when Billy found success with hawk they spread the field and got the handful typical Carlisle skill player 5’8 160 or so good quickness and speed in space like you do on the option pitch. Billy average low 50s roster some more some less Brown had upper 40s and now clodfelter is struggling to hold 30s im not saying a old coach running a very dated system is 100% the problem but I truly think it’s a huge part of it.
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Chester Copperpot
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On 4th and 35? Not this guy
Very well said. It’s an outdated offense that’s just not built to come from behind. I loved what Bill and Hawk did with spreading teams out and utilizing our team speed. I sat there watching this team get embarrassed and couldn’t help but think about the 2010 team we had. That team would have steam rolled through the season with the exception of VV this year. Carlisle needs that back on the field. The fire, urgency, and down right gritty defense. To sit and watch this unfold is just horrible. We haven’t developed a QB for the past 7-8 years. Our Quarterbacks can barely throw the ball 30 yards downfield. It looks like they’ve never thrown a football before to be honest.
Carlisle needs to really think about the direction they want to go. Start looking now for the next Head Coach and look at making the change as soon as the season is over. They have a new field coming so hopefully that might bring in some kids. New school and new sports facilities makes it nice to play on as a kid. Winning is addicting…look at the success of VV for the past 30 years. In 2009 Carlisle had that fire and it was the most exciting time to be a Carlisle fan and a player. Maybe one day they can find success again, it just won’t be anytime soon.
I don’t believe it was a designed fake, seemed more like a mistake on Eatons return.
BigArrrow
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Unfortunately a new field isn’t going to bring more kids out and the SWBL is a much different place than 2010. Rushing numbers for that game look great, looks like turnovers is what killed them. I don’t agree that spreading them out for Carlisle is the best move you guys are one of the smaller schools in the league so most SWBL schools are going to be deeper than you and will naturally have more athletes than you maybe not always better but definitely more.
This is hilarious to me because doesn't all most all of the big side schools run an outdate offense? Edgewood - Wing T / Bellbrook - Wing T / Ross - Triple / Monroe - Triple. Small side has Madison - Wing T / Brookville - Some form of wing t / Power Run. VV, Franklin, Eaton are the only ones who run a true spread. Clinton Massie runs flex bone - outdate offense yet they win a crap ton. Think it should show that it does matter what system you run new and hip thing or the old and outdated. I mean I guess we could research and see what every team runs in the state of Ohio and see how many teams run old school vs new school and compare the success for each. That would be cool research with some data behind it.
The main thing that affects an any system is the me and get mine mentally instead of the we and team. Oh we won but I did not get to touch the ball. You have to spread the ball around and give it to more than one or two kids. That not what a team is all about. A team shouldn't care who gets the ball because they are all working toward the same goal. One week one guy goes off and carries the load. The next week it could be someone else, but it shouldn't matter. Hence why this sport is the greatest because it shows the true nature of people and who they really are in the end. What team actuals believe in the We and not just the me.
The main thing that affects an any system is the me and get mine mentally instead of the we and team. Oh we won but I did not get to touch the ball. You have to spread the ball around and give it to more than one or two kids. That not what a team is all about. A team shouldn't care who gets the ball because they are all working toward the same goal. One week one guy goes off and carries the load. The next week it could be someone else, but it shouldn't matter. Hence why this sport is the greatest because it shows the true nature of people and who they really are in the end. What team actuals believe in the We and not just the me.
I agree leadership is always a factor. I know if you get behind in that offense it is very hard to come back. On the other hand, it also will keep you in a ton of games you have no business being in and I think that is what he is doing. I remember when he was at Beavercreek and its the only thing that kept the games close based on talent level. In fact, he won more games there I think than any coach they have ever had. But I do see your point. No the lost play was not a turnover but a 10 yd loss. Just another question, do they have the talented QB, good receivers, and a good line to actually throw the ball successfully? It takes all 3 to make it work.
If they don’t have a kid who can throw the ball 30 yards why would they throw the ball?
You make good point. Most of the league runs outdated offense haha
I wish Monroe would pass more but where Mullins comes from Lakota East that's his mentality run run run. I mean we got the O line and the backfield to run it but it don't hurt to have bit of both. Mullins is a good coach and has done a good job at Monroe but I'm just not a fan of his offensive philosophy.
Yep Carlisle the only place that cry’s about coaches not valley view that’s went Ketron skidmore Moyer and king since 2016 with more drama than anyone. I remember when valley view was just another team in the league before they hired a Carlisle assistant who I think you just named your field after. Nothing wrong with caring about a program but continue to act holier than thou.
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NewOldBlood
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They threw the ball 8 times in the first quarter and a half against Talawanda before Miles went down. I know he worked hard to develop that part of his game in the off season. It takes a pretty talented kid to have the ability to both run and throw from the QB position in high school football. It's why a lot of schools run what some keep calling "outdated" offenses. Most schools can find a good athlete to run their offense effectively. Very few can find a guy that can spread it out and throw the ball all over the field.
IRLMN1999
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By drama you mean a coach with over 30 years in the program getting forced out by a former administration that clearly had an agenda and then hiring a man who was in the pockets of said former administration… yeah the community had every right to “cry” and when that coach and administration got forced out and the program and community could get back to normal Valley View has risen back up. You call it crying I call it fighting for what’s right.
I’m not saying you’re wrong I know some of these individuals involved but I am saying it takes a big man to cast stones and laugh when you’re on top at teams who want better for their programs also.