yakyak
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MU big.League title or share of title is on the line. I expect a close game
MU big.League title or share of title is on the line. I expect a close game
Add a soccer team and lets talk.
kirtland has soccer and they seem to put together good teams year in and year out. Boys soccer hurting football is a poor excuse people use to justify mediocrity. Coach Pearce is an average at best coach. Being personally coached by him he has a lot of flaws but Milton being happy just making the playoffs and not wanting to be the best he is considered a great coach. This league will just inflate the coaches heads thinking they are putting together great teams but when Northridge and Milton are playing for league titles it shows how bad this league is. Even if you throw east and Covington in the mix it is still a very poor league. I just don’t understand parents and fans not wanting teams competing for state championships like the MAC schools do.Agreed. Yak. Soccer hurt Milton when we first started it. 1983 was the first year for soccer and look at our records, they tanked. It's one of the reasons I heard that Magoteaux left. I'm not sure, but I don't think any MAC schools have varsity soccer.
Milton has come out of that because of a coach named Pearce, in my opinion.
So you believe every community could compete with the Coldwaters and Marion Locals?So first I did play on the teams with Mitch, do I think those were the best Milton teams, NO the teams in the 70's were better. I believe there was a stretch from 77-78 where they went 10-0 and 10-0 with 8 shut outs. Those were better teams. The team today wouldn't compete with the teams I played with, IMO. As for Pearce he has just over a winning record (58%) in the regular season a losing playoff record and has been coaching at Milton for almost 20 years and only has 4 league titles? Milton is happy making the playoffs and that's all. We have the talent and the kids to be as good as Coldwater and Marion local, we just don't have the expectations like the people from those areas do. Coach Pearce has a lot of problems and reasons why there are tons of athletes that don't end up playing football at Milton.
I'll add that often people point to soccer because it's another fall sport. I can tell you there are other sports that are starting to branch into multiple seasons. Athletes are often more specialized and focus on those sports all year or most of the year. I think baseball in particular has become a year round sport for many players. They'll play spring, summer, fall, and train in the winter.Soccer is a reason small schools don't field larger teams. It's a numbers game. My guess is that you played when Mitch did and you think that you were the best team ever at Milton playing the best talent in the SWBL. WELL, got news for ya kid, you weren't. Records and playoff runs are pretty recent gauges to football success. The teams at MU back in the 60s, 70s were much tougher, they just never got the chance to play in the playoffs.
If you think you can do a better job coaching, then do it. That would be my advice. Sure playing in this league isn't as rough, but Milton is actually a small Division V that is playing Division IV football.
Pearce is a good coach and has proven it with his record and his improvement as a coach. Antonides, Blackburn, Thoele, and Dickinson just complete the staff.
If that hand keeps sliding towards the back we might get some laundry. It was fun to watch him compete against some of the TC big boys. they were battling.
I would disagree. There are some great athletes playing soccer. Some are sizable and could play. Speed and agility.Most of the soccer players wouldn't be on the football team. I realize soccer is a common scapegoat but it's not reality.
I know the really good TC soccer players would be excellent DB/WR at the d7 level. I think at the larger schools this may not be the case. Any soccer player that jumps into a.good basketball.player would make a great skill player in football.Most of the soccer players wouldn't be on the football team. I realize soccer is a common scapegoat but it's not reality.
I have been around a lot of small school soccer players. Many of them play year round. If their small school didn't have soccer they would either open enroll or attend a private that has soccer or just play academy soccer. Yes....they are great athletes. Many are undersized. If they wanted to play football they would have. They chose soccer over football.I would disagree. There are some great athletes playing soccer. Some are sizable and could play. Speed and agility.
Except they have no interest in playing football. Especially at a private school like TC. The really good soccer players aren't there by accident.I know the really good TC soccer players would be excellent DB/WR at the d7 level. I think at the larger schools this may not be the case. Any soccer player that jumps into a.good basketball.player would make a great skill player in football.
Right, but you have the other 75% of the team, the role players, who could make a difference on the football team. That is not crazy logic. To also say small schools in the MAC have a number advantage due to no competiting fall sport is also not a crazy concept.Except they have no interest in playing football. Especially at a private school like TC. The really good soccer players aren't there by accident.
I do agree with you on most points, but, I lived the"Glory" days and I've lived through the lean years when Christello was coach and Pearce is a good coach. There is a standard set in the MAC that very few areas can match. That's why the MAC wins so many state titles. I believe it starts at home and then lands in the lap of the coaches. Milton is not the town it was before 1990. The stretch from 2005-2012 was a good stretch and we had high participation rates. Can Milton be a MAC-quality program? I believe so and it has nothing to do with the league. If that was the way it happens then Clinton Massie would be mediocre. The league Cincinnati Wyoming plays in is weaker. What I'm saying is, you want what I've wanted since I graduated. But I've also seen the kids and the community change. Holding a higher standard has to start with the Seniors and flow down the ranks. Sure the competition in the TRC is weak, but winning cures many things and one of those things is participation. I do respect your opinions.Obviously what I am trying to say was not coming across correctly. Do I think every community could become a powerhouse program. Yes I do, with that being said obviously getting to that level will take more work in certain communities than others. But let’s take Jefferson since you used them for example, is the coach there doing everything possible to become great or is he going through the motions. If they start consistently winning they could easily pull kids from Trotwood or Dayton public. Obviously getting that program to become a powerhouse would take more work and effort that making Milton a power house but I do think it is possible.
As for my frustrations with Milton and this league I am not mad or saying anything about the glory days of Milton. What frustrates me with Milton is we will go or should go 9-1 this year win one playoff game with the expansion this year lose round two and everyone will say how great of a team and how successful the season was. But I want Milton fans and coaches to hold the team to a higher standard. We could have a team that makes it to the final four of the playoffs a lot more often than people realize. Milton let’s a lot of athletes fall through the cracks, either the coaches don’t see the potential, don’t take the time to develop or just plain push kids to the side and tell them to not even come out for the team.
As for the league one reason I think the MAC is so great is because I believe iron sharpens iron. The constant battles week in and week out make the playoffs easier for those schools. Think about this is easier for those teams to win a state championship than win a league title. That is what I think the TRC should strive for and in everyone’s honest opinion would that ever happen?
You did well clarifying your point.Obviously what I am trying to say was not coming across correctly. Do I think every community could become a powerhouse program. Yes I do, with that being said obviously getting to that level will take more work in certain communities than others. But let’s take Jefferson since you used them for example, is the coach there doing everything possible to become great or is he going through the motions. If they start consistently winning they could easily pull kids from Trotwood or Dayton public. Obviously getting that program to become a powerhouse would take more work and effort that making Milton a power house but I do think it is possible.
As for my frustrations with Milton and this league I am not mad or saying anything about the glory days of Milton. What frustrates me with Milton is we will go or should go 9-1 this year win one playoff game with the expansion this year lose round two and everyone will say how great of a team and how successful the season was. But I want Milton fans and coaches to hold the team to a higher standard. We could have a team that makes it to the final four of the playoffs a lot more often than people realize. Milton let’s a lot of athletes fall through the cracks, either the coaches don’t see the potential, don’t take the time to develop or just plain push kids to the side and tell them to not even come out for the team.
As for the league one reason I think the MAC is so great is because I believe iron sharpens iron. The constant battles week in and week out make the playoffs easier for those schools. Think about this is easier for those teams to win a state championship than win a league title. That is what I think the TRC should strive for and in everyone’s honest opinion would that ever happen?
They aren't interested in playing football. That's the point everyone seems to be missing. They could choose football today but they aren't. They chose to play soccer.Right, but you have the other 75% of the team, the role players, who could make a difference on the football team. That is not crazy logic. To also say small schools in the MAC have a number advantage due to no competiting fall sport is also not a crazy concept.
I know this is a football thread, but our Riverside Pirates clinched the inaugural TRC volleyball league championship last night with their win over Covington!
Back to football, the forecast for Friday night does not look great. ?
I disagree with this as well. Many of your most skilled, athletic, or dynamic soccer players would be skill players for football. Especially at the smaller school level.Most of the soccer players wouldn't be on the football team. I realize soccer is a common scapegoat but it's not reality.
The idea is when there is no soccer like the MAC then what? Some would play football. Some would not play anything. Some would find soccer opportunities. Even a handfull who would play football would impact d7 schools especially in practice and special teams.They aren't interested in playing football. That's the point everyone seems to be missing. They could choose football today but they aren't. They chose to play soccer.
Except they prefer to play soccer.I disagree with this as well. Many of your most skilled, athletic, or dynamic soccer players would be skill players for football. Especially at the smaller school level.
Cross country. Golf. Academy or club soccer. Football. Some would be fans. MAC is an extreme outlier though. I think everyone knows that.The idea is when there is no soccer like the MAC then what? Some would play football. Some would not play anything. Some would find soccer opportunities. Even a handfull who would play football would impact d7 schools especially in practice and special teams.