is that surprising?The CBS "news" story includes no context or explanation. It's really impossible to tell what happened.
is that surprising?The CBS "news" story includes no context or explanation. It's really impossible to tell what happened.
all these years and I being a white dude thought i was NOT Allowed to watch that channel......... but I did watch Soul Train on Saturdays back in the day...was that OK?Are you comparing BET, an entertainment channel that caters to urban audiences but is free for anyone to consume, to whites only drinking fountains lol
Do you watch BET? Why or why not?I've explained this IRL to people, but here goes it....
BET was established 40 plus years ago as alternative programming to MTV. MTV was de facto WET. No persons of color the 1st few years of MTV existence. Just like NBA vs WNBA, or PGA vs LPGA- you don't need to add 'white' or 'men' when it's presumed by the general public who the intended audience is
Seriously, you had to ask?Are you stupid ?
LMFAO,The 1st couple of years, no.
He, Prince, and a couple of Reggae songs were in rotation in the early 80s
No, you're correct.I stand corrected. Michael, prince and a couple others WERE in rotation. However the ratio of people of color and white artists was extremely low. I'm not saying there needed to he some type of equal representation. I'm saying BET was created because of all the black artist during this time of the video exploring, very few were shown on MTV. Hence BET was born
Mtv started in 1981. Thriller came out in November, 1982. Artists and labels really weren't making any videos prior to 1981...so it's not like they had a huge catalog of videos to show from artists.Not until the Thriller era. He had to become the biggest star on the planet, practically re-invent the music video, and have the best-selling album of all time to be put in heavy rotation there
First, it's very likely CBS doesn't know what happened. Unfortunately that does not stop the "news" from reporting little more than gossip.is that surprising?
I don't know how much of a need there is at this point...I'd imagine most kids are filling that crave through YouTube, TikTok, etc.Why is the discussion focused on WET and BET?
Why isnt there a network for Asians? American teenage girls crave a channel for K-Pop. It's a massively undeserved market
I got his and Daisy Fuentes (shwing) autograph once at Disneyworld as they were setting up to tape a segment.Bill Bellamy wasn’t black enough
If you thought you weren't allowed then you're even stupider than you make yourself appear on here day in and day outall these years and I being a white dude thought i was NOT Allowed to watch that channel......... but I did watch Soul Train on Saturdays back in the day...was that OK?
Should have clarified, it wasn't until the Billie Jean video in 1983 that this happened. MTV was almost 2 years old at that time and had 0 black artists in heavy rotation. And that was only because the head of Jackson's label threatened to pull all of his artists' videos off MTV if they didn't play itMtv started in 1981. Thriller came out in November, 1982. Artists and labels really weren't making any videos prior to 1981...so it's not like they had a huge catalog of videos to show from artists.
We have to accommodate the Furriesbut what about the kitty litter boxes in the restrooms
He even had to have extreme plastic surgery procedures, and bleach his skin in an effort to look white.Not until the Thriller era. He had to become the biggest star on the planet, practically re-invent the music video, and have the best-selling album of all time to be put in heavy rotation there
MTV was also basically rock genre at first too. That had something to do with it as well.Should have clarified, it wasn't until the Billie Jean video in 1983 that this happened. MTV was almost 2 years old at that time and had 0 black artists in heavy rotation. And that was only because the head of Jackson's label threatened to pull all of his artists' videos off MTV if they didn't play it
Videos back then were basically performances dubbed with the studio track. There were still big hits and they were played in heavy rotation on MTV. It wasn't until the Billie Jean video that a black artist was played consistently compared to their white counterparts
1999, by Prince, was played on MTV in December, 1982.No, you're correct.
MTV started in August 1, 1981.
The first video by a Black entertainer was Jackson's Billie Jean on March 10, 1983.
That doesn't make it racist though. Like some radio stations, MTV's format was rock and roll, not rhythm and blues. It would change though.
It is a classic.I mean you're the one who said there weren't catalogs of videos to play
And yeah, songs like Video Killed the Radio Star are rock classics
BET actually launched before MTV, but I believe did not actually have it's own network until the mid-80s, instead having a few hours of block time each week on what was then Madison Square Garden Network and is now USA Network.
MTV for most of the 80s was effectively a rock music video channel and was de facto white cultural transmission as rock was (and still is) an overwhelmingly white artist genre, before pivoting a bit throughout the 90s to other predominantly white trends such as pop music, boy bands, and the emergence of teenage/young adult reality television. For them, I'd probably argue the "peak" of that did not involve The Real World (which is what I think probably comes to mind for most people), but the various reality programs they had as Millenials were coming of age in the 2000s that were set in places like Laguna Beach, Beverly Hills, and along the Jersey Shore. Their target audience was and is white urban/suburban kids.
BET and the limited reach it had prior to the rise of digital cable in the early 2000s was just an alternative space for heavily black artist genres, whether hip hop, rap, blues, etc., along with airing re-runs of a handful of comedies with primarily black characters. CMT (country music) arose at roughly the same time, also filling a niche as what is predominantly rural white culture has never had a niche space on MTV.
There weren't catalogs of videos available. That's a true statement.I mean you're the one who said there weren't catalogs of videos to play
And yeah, songs like Video Killed the Radio Star are rock classics
Well-played. After reading the OP's link, first thing I thought of was the photos of KFC being pranked by someone changing the signboard "Serving whites only" or "Serving blacks only".Its not as funny as staging a fake lynching at 3AM in Chicago, but it’s still a good one.
There were plenty, including Jackson's own videos for Rock With You and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough, the latter of which was massive. And yet MTV wouldn't play it ?There weren't catalogs of videos available. That's a true statement.
And...so?
BET exists to pander to blacks. It apparently is profitable enough in its basic cable niche, where it is paid for by people that always skip right by it and never watch it
I started the MTV/WET and BET comparison when Tesoro implied calling a network B(lack) ET was racist ( a claim I've heard multiple times before). I merely stated it was alternative programming to cater to black kids that felt underrepresented on MTV.Why is the discussion focused on WET and BET?
Why isnt there a network for Asians? American teenage girls crave a channel for K-Pop. It's a massively undeserved market
True, limited catalog for all musicians. However practically every young artist starting making videos during this phase due to the MTV explosion. Very few black acts still weren't featured despite this. There were other shows that weren't BET or MTV that showed videos by black artists. USA network showed an eclectic array of videos after hours on weekends. I recall a little start up cable network called SPN that have a half hour show that featured black artists.Mtv started in 1981. Thriller came out in November, 1982. Artists and labels really weren't making any videos prior to 1981...so it's not like they had a huge catalog of videos to show from artists.