Blue Jay Fan
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Tell that to the fans of Shelby, Maysville, Ottawa Glandorf, Russia, LCC, etc...
Who wins D4?
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eaglepride
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No need. I’m not here to defend other schools’ popularity attendance figures.
I'm not, but others sure are.
3300 people at a state championship game is embarassing lol
Blue Jay Fan
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Today's attendance: 3,328 My team played a District Final with about 3,100 in attendance.
Seymore Hiney
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Obviously you have no clue….most AAU coaches want and need the fame and if associated with a school will do almost anything to get it…..they care very little about the kids…..wonder how many decent players that were loyal to RH quit basketball because of the AAU coach bringing in players from all over….yea, he cares for the kids…..he cares for one thing…..his EGO….you are blind if you cannot understand what is happening….no hate here, just disappointed in the system which is being ruined!!!!!!
nwwarrior09
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To be fair, this next game (D3) is probably about to say "hold my beer" to that attendance number.
Worst ever attended D4 title game excluding the 2021 restricted attendance year. Probably by a very large margin.
nwwarrior09
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And I'll say it...attendance is not the end all, be all. Some communities with more transient populations and a lot of older and lower income residents are not going to be showing up to things like this in numbers. In no way does that mean that their students are less deserving of competing for championships.
The issue is 1) artificial roster construction, and 2) driving away the already declining casual/neutral fans. The old heads that used to go to the state tournament religiously every year are probably starting to die off. A lot of younger coaches don't care to spend time and money watching AAU teams pound opponents in non-competitive games when it's also the first weekend of the NCAA tournament.
The issue is 1) artificial roster construction, and 2) driving away the already declining casual/neutral fans. The old heads that used to go to the state tournament religiously every year are probably starting to die off. A lot of younger coaches don't care to spend time and money watching AAU teams pound opponents in non-competitive games when it's also the first weekend of the NCAA tournament.
The coach spoke about leadership more than anything else in his post-game interview. Almost like the championship(s) were secondary.
You are getting dangerously close to the root of the real problem
Same with me honestly. I have no ties to RH...well I root for NEO teams and I am an East side suburban Cuyahoga County guy so I like to see them do well.
The venom you see from some people regarding them is ridiculous IMO.
It is scholastic athletics. Championships are won by 4 teams in Ohio. That cannot be the end-all-be-all. There are many more important things associated and Richmond Heights seems to be ticking off many of the boxes.
Yeah I have noticed and I think we have commented on here I don't think a lot of people have ever been to Richmond Hts. It not a huge suburb of Cleveland and it isn't inner ring. It also is a decent suburb with nice houses and millionaires in some RH developments. I mentioned that Ginn family has a home there I assume with Jrs money.
They hired a good coach and AD in a middle class D4 suburban district with open enrollment and kids are enrolling lol. Crazy huh.
Evidently their parents and family care. And college coaches care....hence the D1 offers the players are receiving.
Exactly. And it seems to me they are not the ones making state championships the end all be all..
Agree
AAU basketball: All-Ohio Red fulfills goal of title three-peat
When Quentin Rogers began coaching the All-Ohio Red AAU basketball team in 2007, it didn't take long for him to realize that having players such as Jared Sullinger and J.D. Weatherspoon meant he was …
www.dispatch.com
I wouldn't put Rogers in the HOF but he does gave credentials and success going back 15 years. I think he has to have some sort of basketball IQ to win as many championships as he had. His All.Ohio Red teams were not the most talented Nike AAU teams by any stretch. They beat teams with more talent with basketball IQ and defense.
So yeah he when he does have a talent advantage like at RH in Ohio D4 you will see dominance.
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AAU basketball: All-Ohio Red fulfills goal of title three-peat
When Quentin Rogers began coaching the All-Ohio Red AAU basketball team in 2007, it didn't take long for him to realize that having players such as Jared Sullinger and J.D. Weatherspoon meant he was …
www.dispatch.com
Did the research for you also. 203-7 over 3 summers and 3 national AAU championships against teams with more D1.and NBA talent yet winning with fundamentals and defense instead of elite says to me the can coach basketball to some degree. I have been impressed with what I have seen from RH and Aaron Craft was a hell of a defender and hard worker
Honestly, when people talk about the best coaches in NEO it usually centers around Eric Flannery at Ed's and Krizancic..but Rogers between his HS and extensive AAU experience going back 15 years and his HS success is probably in this tier also whether or not people want to admit it. He has the experience and hardware.
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Thavoice
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Communities arent going to show up for a load up team.
Think parents and students are all excited to see their programs hijacked from kids who didn't come through their school system?
Personally HS sports are about kids who have been playing with each there their whole lives, not who can recruit the most talent.
I look at it this way...if there was no such thing as sports, how many of the kids on a said team woulb attend RH, or the game now of Lutheran East......harvest prep?
I was fortunate enough to play on 2 title teams, and recall playing with each of my teammates at the earliest of ages.
THAT is what HS sports are to me.
Think parents and students are all excited to see their programs hijacked from kids who didn't come through their school system?
Personally HS sports are about kids who have been playing with each there their whole lives, not who can recruit the most talent.
I look at it this way...if there was no such thing as sports, how many of the kids on a said team woulb attend RH, or the game now of Lutheran East......harvest prep?
I was fortunate enough to play on 2 title teams, and recall playing with each of my teammates at the earliest of ages.
THAT is what HS sports are to me.
bob99
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An early morning game that is guaranteed to be a blowout, why would a casual fan even be interested?
eaglepride
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Nice research!
bob99
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FYP
Those two coaches also dont do a lot of clipboard grabbing in game either. A lot of freedom in Flan and coach Ks system as well as RogersAAU basketball: All-Ohio Red fulfills goal of title three-peat
When Quentin Rogers began coaching the All-Ohio Red AAU basketball team in 2007, it didn't take long for him to realize that having players such as Jared Sullinger and J.D. Weatherspoon meant he was …
Did the research for you also. 203-7 over 3 summers and 3 national AAU championships against teams with more D1.and NBA talent yet winning with fundamentals and defense instead of elite says to me the can coach basketball to some degree. I have been impressed with what I have seen from RH and Aaron Craft was a hell of a defender and hard worker
Honestly, when people talk about the best coaches in NEO it usually centers around Eric Flannery at Ed's and Krizancic..but Rogers between his HS and extensive AAU experience going back 15 years and his HS success is probably in this tier also whether or not people want to admit it. He has the experience and hardware.
Your opinion.
ripvanwinkle
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Lowest attended state title game in history haha
Here is a little inside information about people thinking these schools recruit. Do you know what the best recruiting tool is ? WINNING. When you win like Ed's, Iggy, Richmond Heights, Lutheran East and a few years ago VASJ the programs recruit themselves. Kids want to play for a winner.
jj150
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Question? When DSJ was a power in football, Were all those kids from Delphos? Heck were they all from 1 county? Kids wanted to go there and be part of a winning program. Now the VanWert, Crestview, Shawnee etc kids stay at their local schools. Back to basketball, Maybe DSJ beats richmond next year as DSJ has a very good young team with a legit stud. However, your sour grapes about kids coming in from other areas to play together is getting old. Richmond kids have been friends and played together at various levels from 3rd grade on. So maybe Richmond should change its name to Richmond St Johns then maybe it is ok?
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Blue Jay Fan
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A good high school coach wins with the talent he has at his high school. A good coach develops his high school's kids and coaches them to win. He doesn't need to bring in talent from all over to win.AAU basketball: All-Ohio Red fulfills goal of title three-peat
When Quentin Rogers began coaching the All-Ohio Red AAU basketball team in 2007, it didn't take long for him to realize that having players such as Jared Sullinger and J.D. Weatherspoon meant he was …
I wouldn't put Rogers in the HOF but he does gave credentials and success going back 15 years. I think he has to have some sort of basketball IQ to win as many championships as he had. His All.Ohio Red teams were not the most talented Nike AAU teams by any stretch. They beat teams with more talent with basketball IQ and defense.
So yeah he when he does have a talent advantage like at RH in Ohio D4 you will see dominance.